National Go Topless Day

Superhero Sam said:

http://www.plainbibleteaching.com/2006/04/01/modest-apparel/

You don't see truth to that? With bikinis the combination of those areas exposed can cause overwhelming temptation to lust.

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Dave-W said:

Not necessarily.

You seem to be oblivious to the assumptions, logic leaps and non-sequiturs the guy makes.

In a person who has a foot fetish, an exposed toe or heel can cause an "overwhelming temptation to lust" as well. Is having bare feet not modest?

One assumption the guy makes in Paul's writing (and you have been told this by several people) is that the "modest clothing" refers to sexuality. It is clear from the context that it is about wealth.

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Darkhorse said:

Sometimes the bare skin causes no lust; do you consider it a sin then?

If someone cuts me off in traffic, I could get angry (sin?), or curse (sin?), or do some violent road-rage thing (sin). Or I can remind myself that people can be inconsiderate and careless, and avoid sinning over their behavior.

Same thing.

Do you consider cutting people off to be a sin?

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dayhiker said:

1st off I'd say we are all responsible for ourselves. No woman can make a man sin. The seed of sin is inside of each of us that sins. The outside part just provides an opportunity. Women are only responsible if a man asks them to not do dress a certain way when we are at the same event. See what the Bible says about a weak believer.

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If a girl has no intention to cause temptations or draw attention to herself, then it might be perfectly fine for her to wear a bikini. A lot depends on the situation and location and the people around her. Just a bunch of the girls in a friend's hot tub? Probably fine! A private swimming pool in the backyard, where no neighbors can gawk and stalk? Totally okay, so long as there are no guys present who are going to have a problem with your swimwear.

Remember, girls, we have a responsibility to be modest by not drawing attention to ourselves but instead putting the focus back on God. We are also responsible for helping and encouraging our fellow Christian friends by not intentionally tempting them to have impure thoughts (from the guys) or even thoughts of jealousy (from the girls). "Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing" (1 Thessalonians 5:11).

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dayhiker said:

Yup, I said earlier that clothes often are more erotic and sensuous than being naked.

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Dave-W said:

The biological info is reasonably correct.

While the verses I posted earlier tend to lend credence to his assertions, drawing a hard conclusion about "God's INTENDED design" is speculation. It is just as likely that the verses are instructions on dealing with the current situation, regardless of divine intent.

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Superhero Sam said:

Isn't that why a bikini is something Christian women shouldn't wear-showing all of her skin but the private areas and having those parts emphasized can be overwhelming temptation for some men.

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dayhiker said:

She should only have to do something about it the man can't do anything about it. In this can the man can leave the beach. So I don't see what she is doing as a problem. Now if the man invited some people over for a pool party and was bothered buy her bikini then he should ask her to leave saying her bikini is causing him a temptation and she should thank him for letting her know and she should leave.

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Archivist said:

Should I have instead replied by citing the Quran or the Bhagavad Gita?

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Archivist said:

Have you ever gone topless in public? If so, why is it acceptable for you to do so but it isn't acceptable for a woman?

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Darkhorse said:

And when it does...the problem (sin) is in the luster, not the person wearing little or no clothing.

Sometimes the bare skin causes no lust; do you consider it a sin then?

If someone cuts me off in traffic, I could get angry (sin?), or curse (sin?), or do some violent road-rage thing (sin). Or I can remind myself that people can be inconsiderate and careless, and avoid sinning over their behavior.

Same thing.

Do you consider cutting people off to be a sin?

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When Adam and Eve fell, they made aprons to cover their nakedness. When God confronted them about their sin, He also made clothing for them – tunics to replace their aprons, which indicates that stomachs and backs are not to be on public display, even for guys.

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Superhero Sam said:

Don't other living things not feed their young through breasts?

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