Futurist Only Why can't I stop worrying?

Mr. KNUP · Jul 10, 2017

With all the talk of Scottie Clarke's findings on the Revelation 12 sign that is supposed to take place on September 23rd of this year, as well as the solar eclipse crossing the United States (which is where I live) in the next month and then another eclipse going the other way in another 7 years, people are getting excited about the rapture.

I'm not.

As a Christian, I feel like I should be excited about being able to go and see Jesus face to face. The problem is that I'm still rather young, (I'm only 19, turning 20 next month) and there's so much of my life that I haven't lived yet, like starting college and finding a spouse. I know that we are not of this world, and that Heaven's going to be leagues above everything we are experiencing here, yet I still worry.

Also, in the back of my mind I keep having doubts about my own faith. "Am I ready?" "Am I being sanctified?" "Have I been justified?" "Will my faith grow stronger during the Tribulation if I'm not raptured?" I know in my mind and my heart that I should be focusing on loving God and serving others, but these thoughts keep popping back into my head. I also know perfect love casts out fear, why do I keep fearing about the End Times? It just goes on and on.

I don't want to debate whether what I said about the eclipses and Revelation 12 sign is indeed true. That's a topic for another thread. I just want to know, IF these things do indeed happen, how can I overcome this fear?

Handmaid for Jesus · Jul 10, 2017

have you taken your fear to the Lord in prayer?

Mr. KNUP · Jul 10, 2017

parousia70 · Jul 10, 2017

When I was your Age in the Mid 1980's, I was faced with EXACTLY THE SAME situation and felt very similar.

I had read Hal Lindsey's "Late Great Planet Earth" as well as the Book "88 reasons the Rapture will be in 1988" and like you today, was convinced this world only had a few months left before the end times ball got rolling full speed. Boy was I ever wrong.

If it helps, ALL date specific, year specific, month specific, season specific end time predictions ever uttered have one thing in common.
100% failure rate.

SeventyOne · Jul 10, 2017

Are you ready? That all depends on your basis of justification. If you are trusting in blood atonement of Jesus alone for the forgiveness of your sins, then you probably are ready. If not, or you are adding something to it, you might not be ready. Now is a good time to really check that out and be sure.

You're still young. I get it. When growing up, you have all these dreams in your head. Things you plan to do and experiences you want to have. But keep in mind, although it may seem like it from our perspective, this isn't what you were created for. There is something far better in front of us.

As far as the Revelation 12 sign is concerned, I think it might be the real thing. It's not a date man has set, which has been wrong over and over again, but rather a time seemingly set by the Lord Himself.

I'm older than you, a bit over twice your age. I have 4 kids, 3 here and 1 there. I want my kids out of this evil world and to be with the one who never had the opportunity to grow and experience this world. Even I have continued hopes and dreams for myself or my family.

However, I'm sick. I don't think I'll make it to the September 23 sign, but that's in God's hands. If it be true or not, I'm also looking at everything I've hoped for, everything I've worked toward, everything I've dreamed, and everyone I love here, being gone at any moment. So, I get what you are going through. But it's ok. There is no fear to be found. Dying doesn't scare me in the least. There is no real loss, as long as those who I love I'll be reunited with one day. (Maybe on September 23rd. Who knows?) All I can say is to draw close to God as if there were only about 75 days left, but continue to pland for and live your life as if you still had 75 years left.

Mr. KNUP · Jul 10, 2017

SeventyOne said:
Are you ready? That all depends on your basis of justification. If you are trusting in blood atonement of Jesus alone for the forgiveness of your sins, then you probably are ready. If not, or you are adding something to it, you might not be ready. Now is a good time to really check that out and be sure.

You're still young. I get it. When growing up, you have all these dreams in your head. Things you plan to do and experiences you want to have. But keep in mind, although it may seem like it from our perspective, this isn't what you were created for. There is something far better in front of us.

As far as the Revelation 12 sign is concerned, I think it might be the real thing. It's not a date man has set, which has been wrong over and over again, but rather a time seemingly set by the Lord Himself.

I'm older than you, a bit over twice your age. I have 4 kids, 3 here and 1 there. I want my kids out of this evil world and to be with the one who never had the opportunity to grow and experience this world. Even I have continued hopes and dreams for myself or my family.

However, I'm sick. I don't think I'll make it to the September 23 sign, but that's in God's hands. If it be true or not, I'm also looking at everything I've hoped for, everything I've worked toward, everything I've dreamed, and everyone I love here, being gone at any moment. So, I get what you are going through. But it's ok. There is no fear to be found. Dying doesn't scare me in the least. There is no real loss, as long as those who I love I'll be reunited with one day. (Maybe on September 23rd. Who knows?) All I can say is to draw close to God as if there were only about 75 days left, but continue to pland for and live your life as if you still had 75 years left.

I do believe that justification is by faith alone in Jesus Christ. I had a mountain-top experience figuring that out on a deeper level a couple of months ago, (I'm 99.9% sure about my salvation, practically 100%) but I still have some residual doubts in regard to if I am saved. I'm not always joyful, I don't always love, and I lack some self-control, to name a few Fruits of the Spirit. That, and the fact that I am afraid of this, (with seemingly no logical reason) which goes against 1 John 4:18, makes me wonder sometimes.

Also, praying for your recovery. :prayer:

Jesus4Ever · Jul 10, 2017

If you really believed that the rapture was going happen in September, and that you would be beamed up to Heaven, then you wouldn't even be thinking about college, or anything of this world, only about following Jesus.

Honestly...I don't listen to people's predictions about the Rapture because God even said that no man would know the appointed time. Not even Jesus, the Son of God, knows...only the Father.

Personally I don't want the Rapture to happen yet...because I know that I'm not saved.

God is good · Jul 10, 2017

Jesus4Ever said:
If you really believed that the rapture was going happen in September, and that you would be beamed up to Heaven, then you wouldn't even be thinking about college, or anything of this world, only about following Jesus.

Honestly...I don't listen to people's predictions about the Rapture because God even said that no man would know the appointed time. Not even Jesus, the Son of God, knows...only the Father.

Personally I don't want the Rapture to happen yet...because I know that I'm not saved.

I hope you are saved, have you trusted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour?

ByTheSpirit · Jul 10, 2017

Jesus4Ever said:
If you really believed that the rapture was going happen in September, and that you would be beamed up to Heaven, then you wouldn't even be thinking about college, or anything of this world, only about following Jesus.

Honestly...I don't listen to people's predictions about the Rapture because God even said that no man would know the appointed time. Not even Jesus, the Son of God, knows...only the Father.

Personally I don't want the Rapture to happen yet...because I know that I'm not saved.

He did say we could discern the times and seasons though

Dave Watchman · Jul 10, 2017

Mr. KNUP said:
I don't want to debate whether what I said about the eclipses and Revelation 12 sign is indeed true. That's a topic for another thread. I just want to know, IF these things do indeed happen, how can I overcome this fear?

If these things do indeed happen, we will overcome the fear of it on the day that it happens. Because even though we'll be scared to death, we will know what it is. We won't be consumed by the fear as others will be who have no hope, no Biblical knowledge and no Savior. We'll know exactly what's going on.

While most of the people will faint in fear of what's coming on the world, God's people are going to know that their redemption draweth near . I'm thinking that you'll be fine at it. If it happens, then we were probably born for the purpose of being witness to it.

Relax Mr. KNUP, and welcome to the forum.

"Behold, I am with you always,
even to the end of the age.

ByTheSpirit · Jul 10, 2017

I personally don't believe in the pretrib rapture. But either way do not fear, because if it is true and you are a child of God you have nothing to fear. All will be well

parousia70 · Jul 10, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
While most of the people will faint in fear of what's coming on the world, God's people are going to know that their redemption draweth near .

Like near as in near to God or near as in near to us?

Oops... maybe I'm not supposed to bring that up in this thread... nevermind. :wave:

Evan Briggs · Jul 10, 2017

The devil loves to use fear against our carnal minds. To make us doubt our salvation. Because he does not have a chance at salvation.

2Tim 1:7 KJV For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

A couple questions to ask yourself:

Did you ask Jesus to forgive you?

Are you born again, meaning baptized in the Holy Spirit (a new person in Christ Jesus)?

Do you repent (turn from) your sins afterwards, or do you continue to fall back into them willfully?

Do you hate your sin?

Do you have faith alone in Jesus as your Savior?

Do you seek Him in everything that you do?

Is He Lord and Savior of your life?
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All TRUE believers in Christ are always working out their salvation with fear and trembling.

Phil 2:12 KJV Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Godly fear that is! There is a difference between the fear of God and the fear of doubt. Fear of God is like, hating your sin, always striving to be perfect like Him. However you are not going to be perfect like Him, so be humble, and acknowledge that you are saved by His righteousness. You get back up and keep going on to VICTORY!

Use your authority by the name of Jesus Christ. Rebuke the fear and doubt in the name of Jesus Christ!

Luke 10:19 KJV Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

The adversary wants to shut you up, dont let him, bind the demons hands and feet and cast them where they belong in the pit of hell and command them in the name of Jesus Christ!

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

All knees bow by the name of Jesus remember, you cannot fend off the fear and doubt by your own words. Use the Word of God to your advantage!

Phil 2:10-Phil 2:11 KJV That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Luke 4:8 KJV And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Galatians 5:16-26 KJV
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

I have to remember these as well. Because i started doubting my salvation as well. Mainly from all of the video watching I was doing like yourself. Try to refrain from the bad ones that will make you doubt yourself.

If you are not already in a good spirit filled church that will edify you, ask the Lord to guide you to one.

I will be praying for you brother!

Dave Watchman · Jul 10, 2017

parousia70 said:
Like near as in near to God or near as in near to us?

Oops... maybe I'm not supposed to bring that up in this thread... nevermind.

That's OK, I guess I don't understand your question. When I said,"God's people are going to know that their redemption draweth near", I was drawing from:

"Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

So as soon as we see:

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars,,,

Straighten up, lift up your head, because you know what is drawing near.

:wave:

4x4toy · Jul 10, 2017

Mr. KNUP said:
With all the talk of Scottie Clarke's findings on the Revelation 12 sign that is supposed to take place on September 23rd of this year, as well as the solar eclipse crossing the United States (which is where I live) in the next month and then another eclipse going the other way in another 7 years, people are getting excited about the rapture.

I'm not.

As a Christian, I feel like I should be excited about being able to go and see Jesus face to face. The problem is that I'm still rather young, (I'm only 19, turning 20 next month) and there's so much of my life that I haven't lived yet, like starting college and finding a spouse. I know that we are not of this world, and that Heaven's going to be leagues above everything we are experiencing here, yet I still worry.

Also, in the back of my mind I keep having doubts about my own faith. "Am I ready?" "Am I being sanctified?" "Have I been justified?" "Will my faith grow stronger during the Tribulation if I'm not raptured?" I know in my mind and my heart that I should be focusing on loving God and serving others, but these thoughts keep popping back into my head. I also know perfect love casts out fear, why do I keep fearing about the End Times? It just goes on and on.

I don't want to debate whether what I said about the eclipses and Revelation 12 sign is indeed true. That's a topic for another thread. I just want to know, IF these things do indeed happen, how can I overcome this fear?

It's pretty normal to worry friend (a sign of intelligence and care) and it's easier said than done to not .. I've found that usually by the time it's really time to worry it's either too late or you go into a ''so what now bring it on'' mode and adapt and find out maybe the previous worry had cost more life than the worry was worth ..... So worry is a form of fear and fear we can overcome with the Word and attitude . When you get worn out enough from it you can began face it more like adventure , it is up to you when but sooner or later you will step up when you make up your mind to .. Peace Bro ..

Revealing Times · Jul 11, 2017

Mr. KNUP said:
Also, in the back of my mind I keep having doubts about my own faith. "Am I ready?" "Am I being sanctified?" "Have I been justified?" "Will my faith grow stronger during the Tribulation if I'm not raptured?"

This is your problem it seems to me.

Sep. 12 is a HOAX....It is about Astrology, not Christianity. BUT, you need to know always that you are ready. The last sign before the Rapture is the Gospel will be preached unto all the World.

Then the signs come that are a must before the Second Coming.

Jesus said if you love this world then the love of God is not in you, we should HATE this evil world and desire to be gone.

parousia70 · Jul 11, 2017

Revealing Times said:
Jesus said if you love this world then the love of God is not in you, we should HATE this evil world and desire to be gone.

Rather, Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.
We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18/1 Corinthians 3:22).

"16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

We are to Love what God Loves.

Endtimes Advocates like yourself seem to have no care for the present Creation that God called "good".. they care not for the present world that "God Loves"..indeed they long for it's destruction and even seek to hasten its demise.

In Contrast, I believe We are to love what God Loves, not despise it and throw it away.

We are to act like the victors we are (Matthew 16:18), not cower in defeat the way many here are advocating.

You all may be comfortable ignoring Gods command to be good stewards of His creation, but I am not.
I applaud All Christians who have the courage to stand up as defenders of Gods creation in the face of all you who simply think it was put here for us to disregard, contaminate and destroy.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You all may be comfortable mocking Jesus promise that we would do greater things on earth in His name than He, but I take that promise as genuine, and I take my duty to fufill it seriously.

I will have a positive answer when I meet Him and he asks me "Did you treat my good creation as your trash can, ashtray and toilet, or did you treat the world I love with kindness, respect and good stewardship as I have commanded you to?"

parousia70 · Jul 11, 2017

Dave Watchman said:
That's OK, I guess I don't understand your question. When I said,"God's people are going to know that their redemption draweth near", I was drawing from:

"Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

So as soon as we see:

“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars,,,

Straighten up, lift up your head, because you know what is drawing near.

Would you say Paul's teaching there is parallel to Jesus Teaching here:

Matthew 24:33
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

Do you also believe James was aware of Both Paul's and Jesus' teaching that it would NOT be near until those signs were seen, when He wrote this:

8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.
9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door! (James 5:8-9)

Evan Briggs · Jul 11, 2017

parousia70 said:
Rather, Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.
We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18/1 Corinthians 3:22).

"16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16-17)

We are to Love what God Loves.

Endtimes Advocates like yourself seem to have no care for the present Creation that God called "good".. they care not for the present world that "God Loves"..indeed they long for it's destruction and even seek to hasten its demise.

In Contrast, I believe We are to love what God Loves, not despise it and throw it away.

We are to act like the victors we are (Matthew 16:18), not cower in defeat the way many here are advocating.

You all may be comfortable ignoring Gods command to be good stewards of His creation, but I am not.
I applaud All Christians who have the courage to stand up as defenders of Gods creation in the face of all you who simply think it was put here for us to disregard, contaminate and destroy.

John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

You all may be comfortable mocking Jesus promise that we would do greater things on earth in His name than He, but I take that promise as genuine, and I take my duty to fufill it seriously.

I will have a positive answer when I meet Him and he asks me "Did you treat my good creation as your trash can, ashtray and toilet, or did you treat the world I love with kindness, respect and good stewardship as I have commanded you to?"

parousia70 said:
Would you say Paul's teaching there is parallel to Jesus Teaching here:

Matthew 24:33
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

Do you also believe James was aware of Both Paul's and Jesus' teaching that it would NOT be near until those signs were seen, when He wrote this:

8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is near.
9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned. Behold, the Judge is standing at the door! (James 5:8-9)

Not sure why you came into this thread looking like this, but the original poster is looking for encouragement and something he can learn from.

Yes we are to love what God loves and hate what God hates.

Hating the world is hating the ways of the world (sin), inappropriate content, drugs, alcohol, lusts of the world. Loving what He loves is loving the people that He loves, regardless.

Lets preach the good news to a sinner and love them, and tell them to repent of there sins.

However, you cant love the world (alcohol, inappropriate content, drugs, masturbation, smoking cigarettes) and expect Gods Mercy, forsake the sins and He has mercy.

If we sin willfully we have no more sacrifice for our sins.

Revealing Times · Jul 11, 2017

parousia70 said:
Rather, Jesus loves the world and reconciled it. We are to love what Jesus loves.
We are to love and focus on the world Jesus loves (John 3:16-17) and rules over (Revelation 1:5; Matthew 28:18)--the world he gave to his followers (Romans 4:13-18/1 Corinthians 3:22).

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Jesus doesn't love the Sin of this World he loves the lost souls. We are to love our fellow man, just like God, but the WORLD which stands for Sinful ways we are to hate. That was Jesus' point, we should want to escape this EVIL WORLD (Not love it), but while we are here we are to love our fellow man, of course.

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