Jesus is Yahweh

Tree of Life said:

It's so easy to miss these little verses:

Jude 5 - 5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

According to Jude it was Jesus who saved Israel from Egypt and it was Jesus who destroyed the wilderness generation that did not believe. The OT Scripture tell us that it was Yahweh who was responsible for both of these actions.

Further evidence that Jesus is Yahweh and was present in all of these OT events. Easy to miss this important truth.

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Oh, taste and see that the LORD (YHWH) is good! Blessed is the man who takes refuge in him!
(Ps. 34:8 ESV)

if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good. As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, (1 Pet. 2:3-4 ESV)

This is one of a number of places in the NT where the author alludes to an OT quote that uses the name YHWH but uses it in a way that demonstrates that Jesus was intended.

Tree of Life said:

It's so easy to miss these little verses:

Jude 5 - 5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

According to Jude it was Jesus who saved Israel from Egypt and it was Jesus who destroyed the wilderness generation that did not believe. The OT Scripture tell us that it was Yahweh who was responsible for both of these actions.

Further evidence that Jesus is Yahweh and was present in all of these OT events. Easy to miss this important truth.

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And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD (YHWH) shall be saved. (Joel 2:32 ESV)

But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Rom. 10:8-13 ESV)


Here is another example where an OT quote that uses YHWH is used in a context where it is clear that Jesus is the referent.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

I thought we all accepted this?

Exodus 23:20-23

Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.

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Isaiah 63:7-9

I will mention the lovingkindnesses of יהוה, and the praises of יהוה, according to all that יהוה hath bestowed on us, and the great goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his lovingkindnesses.
For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he was their Saviour.
In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the Angel of his Presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

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Tree of Life said:

Liberal Christians might not. And even among conservative Christians there is confusion. Many people are comfortable saying "Jesus is God" and "Jesus is God's son" but they are uncomfortable with saying "Jesus is Yahweh". They might ask: "Isn't Jesus Yahweh's son?" because they only think of Yahweh as God the Father.

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Sadly, many evangelical missionaries (some working on translations of the bible) are also very confused on this point.

http://biblicalmissiology.org/2017/...ble-translation-part-1-al-kalima-and-the-wea/

I am in agreement with ByTheSpirit. His name is Yah-Shua, that is, Yahweh is Salvation. Perhaps more interest in this thread would exist if it were posted in an area that caters to Jehovah Witness. Interesting side note: Jehovah does not exist in the Bible. The name is a hybrid created by the Masoretic Jews of the 10th century who created a vowel system for Hebrew so the pronunciation of Hebrew would not be lost. They did not want anyone pronouncing the tetragrammaton of YHVH as Yahveh or Yahweh, so they inserted the "vowels" of "adonai" ("our lords") into the tetragrammaton to create Y(a)H(o)V(a)H according to Jews for Jesus literature.

I see now what your point is. You are arguing that Jesus killed people during the Old Testament era when He was still the Spirit only, and not incarnated. Perhaps a better view on this is that Jesus was a surgeon who had to remove cancer and killed the cancer in the process.

Tree of Life said:

A further implication of this confusion is that many people do not understand Jesus as the active agent in OT theophanies. It was Jesus himself who struck Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. It was Jesus who led the people in the wilderness in the cloud and in the fire. It was Jesus who called Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldeans. Many Christians don't see Jesus in these stories.

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I think it is important to remember that while YHWH is used for all the members of the Trinity, the name Jesus is used specifically for only one member, as is the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Yes YHWH did all of these things, and as a member of the Trinity Jesus participated (but not alone).

Praise God for this understanding! Only by the Holy Spirit do we have the wisdom and knowledge of who our Lord truly is.

5Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.

wonder why some translations have Lord rather than Jesus?

Tree of Life said:

It's so easy to miss these little verses:

Jude 5 - 5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

According to Jude it was Jesus who saved Israel from Egypt and it was Jesus who destroyed the wilderness generation that did not believe. The OT Scriptures tell us that it was Yahweh who was responsible for both of these actions.

Further evidence that Jesus is Yahweh and was present in all of these OT events. Easy to miss this important truth.

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I see Jesus as the Word incarnate but not the Word pre-incarnate. But I think Jude is using the name Jesus as a referent to the Word probably for clarity and in Jude's case I would suggest he goes beyond and uses it as a referent to the Godhead. Paul makes a similar reference in 1 Cor 10:4-5 "...for they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ." and further down in v9 "We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents..."

Tree of Life said:

Which translation is that?

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NASB you also have NIV, KJV,ISV,GWT, ASV and others that translate as "Lord".

Tree of Life said:

That's a very good question. It appears that there is a textual variant here in the Greek. Early manuscripts say Iesous (Jesus) and later manuscripts say kurios (Lord).

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Papyrus 72 seems to be the oldest text and said to be in really bad shape, probably no way to confirm. i bet the passage in question will be part of the missing text.
i see this problem a lot when researching controversial passages like Gen 6, Dt 32, etc. always missing.