How was Jesus Christ justified?

Tree of Life said:

We are justified by faith in Christ. But how was Jesus Christ justified?

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An interesting followup is might be how we are saved by works - Christ's works, of course.

Works..

twin1954 said:

I worded it exactly as I intended. I chose my words carefully. I never once said that Jesus was a sinner, you and others read that into my words, I said that He died as a sinner and that is the way the Scriptures speak of His death.

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I'm with you.

Some texts come to mind:

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— (Gal 3:13)

“My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46)

When the Father looks at me He sees Christ, and when the Father looked at the cross, He saw sin. He saw the filth of the hearts and minds of countless sinners through all of history, and He condemned it, pouring out His wrath upon it - upon Him. This is the reality of what Jesus did on our behalf.


For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21 ESV)

jimmyjimmy said:

The technical word here is, "imputation". The sins of the elect were imputed to Christ. My sins became His, as if He actually committed them. He knew no sin. He was, and alway will be, sinless. Of course, but, while He did not commit sin, my sin is now His sin. It was imputed to Him. If it had not been, I would be in big trouble.

So, when He died, He died as a sinner. An innocent sinner. A sinless sinner. If that doesn't hurt the brain too much, but He literally died as a sinner. He had to have or else it would be you and me on that tree. He had to be a crucified as a guilty man in order to free guilty men, like me.

Again, Jesus never broke a single law of God. I however, have.

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Jesus died for OUR guilt.

Not HIS.

What the Greek Scriptures say is that Jesus died OVER hamartia to cover it like the blood on the ark. And that His death was the ransom payment that freed us from death because "death reigned from Adam until Moses" when God instituted the animal sacrifices to set the things of death aside until the proper time.

To paraphrase the Apostle Paul, once that happened, Jesus paid the ransom payment in full. At that time we were declared right or, rightified--NOT JUSTIFIED! And by or subsequent rightification--He was raised! Because He no longer had a reason to be dead. So, to answer the original post, Jesus is rightified because we were rightified by that death! Shoots! Good plan!

Tree of Life said:

We are justified by faith in Christ. But how was Jesus Christ justified?

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When we receive salvation through the cross we are confessing that he died the death we deserved. That the judgment and curse we are born with is deserved, thus God is justified when he judges.

Justification in the New Testament and righteousness is the same word, one of the most common in the New Testament. Jesus to start his ministry goes to John the Baptist to be baptized, John is confused, you should be baptizing me he says. Jesus says suffer it to be so, it is necessary for us to fulfill all righteousness. Baptism was a rite of repentance, it was the idea that you died to your old life and rise to walk in newness of life. We are used to thinking of that as repentance of sin and of course it is. But Jesus rose up, received the Holy Spirit and never returned to his life as a carpenter and a dutiful human son. Brides in those days were baptized in their wedding gowns, their old life as a child and a ward of her parents was over, she was now to be a wife and a mother.

We are made righteous through faith but Jesus was demonstrating his righteousness, thus justified, because he was faithful even unto death. Every sinner who repents and becomes the righteousness of God in Christ justifies the righteousness of God is by grace. He promised the Father he would deliver us holy and righteous before him on the last day. In order for God to be justified and justifier of the faithful we must confess that we deserve the judgment Christ took upon himself. I never liked the idea that I'm a sinner because of Adam's sin, I just got here and that was a long time ago. But just as I had no control over what Adam did I had no part in what Christ did in my place. It's God's way of balancing the books so to speak, God is holding us accountable for our sin and providing us with the righteousness we lack.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Hank77 said:

Jesus was justified (made righteous) by the obeying the 613 laws, that applied to Him.
So were the parents of John the Baptist.

Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

How is it that Zacharias could not be a sacrifice for our sin? Why did they need a Redeemer?

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A person is not justified by the works of the law Galatians 2:16

mark kennedy said:

God is holding us accountable for our sin and providing us with the righteousness we lack.

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Yup. Both are true.

Haipule said:

What the Greek Scriptures say is that Jesus died OVER hamartia to cover it like the blood on the ark. And that His death was the ransom payment that freed us from death because "death reigned from Adam until Moses" when God instituted the animal sacrifices to set the things of death aside until the proper time.

To paraphrase the Apostle Paul, once that happened, Jesus paid the ransom payment in full. At that time we were declared right or, rightified--NOT JUSTIFIED! And by or subsequent rightification--He was raised! Because He no longer had a reason to be dead. So, to answer the original post, Jesus is rightified because we were rightified by that death! Shoots! Good plan!

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Rightified, not a word really and justified is the same basic idea. He was proven to be righteous, thus justified in what he did. Don't get me wrong, I like the new words you just invented, rightification and rightified, you could make the argument that it's slightly different between justification and justified at least with regards to the standing of God and man regarding righteousness.

Tree of Life said:

We are justified by faith in Christ. But how was Jesus Christ justified?

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Well, it say he became obedient through sufferings...? Hebrews 2:10 may give us some clue...? Which sufferings we also endure, and are made perfect by...

(Hebrews 10:32) (Colossians 1:24) (1 Peter 1:11) (1 Peter 4:13) (1 Peter 5:1) (1 Peter 5:9)

Tree of Life said:

Jesus didn't have a human nature before the foundation of the world. His resurrection was God's justification of Jesus (Romans 4:25, 1 Timothy 3:16). He most certainly was justified (and for our sake). But how was he justified?

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Through sufferings...

Neogaia777 said:

Through sufferings...

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And not because of any righteous acts or good deeds, that would be works based...

Neogaia777 said:

And not because of any righteous acts or good deeds, that would be works based...

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By his enduring faith through sufferings...

But that says made perfect or made obedient, don't know if that means justification, that could come with the Spirit when he was baptized...?

And I do not just think it was only his suffering at the cross or during or leading up to his crucifixion either... But, the suffering he endured all his life, that became greater and greater up to the point of the cross...

mark kennedy said:

Rightified, not a word really and justified is the same basic idea. He was proven to be righteous, thus justified in what he did. Don't get me wrong, I like the new words you just invented, rightification and rightified, you could make the argument that it's slightly different between justification and justified at least with regards to the standing of God and man regarding righteousness.

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In my study of Scripture I had to invent those words because of the Greek language.

dikE can be translated as either just, or right into English but, it is the same word in the Greek. The word usage depends on if you are dealing with a judge, an umpire or an average citizen.

I'll give you some background: the koinE Greek language(common or, street language) of the bible is a Jerusalem area dialect of the Attic Greek. Attic Greek was the language that Alexander the Great forced everyone to surrender in, long before Jesus, knowing it had no wiggle room. Thusly, Attic Greek became a worldwide language which eventually entomologized into various dialects including the Jerusalem area koinE. Actually, Attic Greek is itself a dialect of the Classical Greek.

So, the dikE series of words, in ancient Greek society, had both a forensic/legal courtroom meaning(just) as well as, a societal meaning(right). Unfortunately for us, the translators chose the forensic legal meaning(just) giving rise to "legalism" instead of the societal "right" side of those words.

And yes, going from dikE-right, to dikaios-righteous, to dikaiosunE-righteousness is a logical train of thought. However, "justice" and "justification"--not so much.

Also, to vindicate or, vindication is sometimes a better understanding of the writers intent.

Haipule said:

In my study of Scripture I had to invent those words because of the Greek language.

dikE can be translated as either just, or right into English but, it is the same word in the Greek. The word usage depends on if you are dealing with a judge, an umpire or an average citizen.

I'll give you some background: the koinE Greek language(common or, street language) of the bible is a Jerusalem area dialect of the Attic Greek. Attic Greek was the language that Alexander the Great forced everyone to surrender in, long before Jesus, knowing it had no wiggle room. Thusly, Attic Greek became a worldwide language which eventually entomologized into various dialects including the Jerusalem area koinE. Actually, Attic Greek is itself a dialect of the Classical Greek.

So, the dikE series of words, in ancient Greek society, had both a forensic/legal courtroom meaning(just) as well as, a societal meaning(right). Unfortunately for us, the translators chose the forensic legal meaning(just) giving rise to "legalism" instead of the societal "right" side of those words.

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So, what does it mean...?

Haipule said:

In my study of Scripture I had to invent those words because of the Greek language.

dikE can be translated as either just, or right into English but, it is the same word in the Greek. The word usage depends on if you are dealing with a judge, an umpire or an average citizen.

I'll give you some background: the koinE Greek language(common or, street language) of the bible is a Jerusalem area dialect of the Attic Greek. Attic Greek was the language that Alexander the Great forced everyone to surrender in, long before Jesus, knowing it had no wiggle room. Thusly, Attic Greek became a worldwide language which eventually entomologized into various dialects including the Jerusalem area koinE. Actually, Attic Greek is itself a dialect of the Classical Greek.

So, the dikE series of words, in ancient Greek society, had both a forensic/legal courtroom meaning(just) as well as, a societal meaning(right). Unfortunately for us, the translators chose the forensic legal meaning(just) giving rise to "legalism" instead of the societal "right" side of those words.

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just
jəst/
adjective

1. 1.
   based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
   "a just and democratic society"
   synonyms: fair, fair-minded, equitable, even-handed, impartial, unbiased, objective, neutral, disinterested, unprejudiced, open-minded, nonpartisan;
   honorable, upright, decent, honest, righteous, moral, virtuous, principled
   "a just and democratic society"

right
rīt/
adjective

1. 1.
   morally good, justified, or acceptable.
   "I hope we're doing the right thing"
   synonyms: just, fair, proper, good, upright, righteous, virtuous, moral, ethical, honorable, honest;More
   
   
2. 2.
   true or correct as a fact.
   "I'm not sure I know the right answer"
   synonyms: correct, accurate, exact, precise;
   proper, valid, conventional, established, official, formal
   "Mr. Hubert had the right answer"

Tree of Life said:

We are justified by faith in Christ. But how was Jesus Christ justified?

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His resurrected flesh was the deal sealed and complete (justification) but because we are limited in this thing we call time and space it appears in a timeline.

Tree of Life said:

If God does not recognize Jesus as righteous then we are in trouble!

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Jesus is God.
One God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Tree of Life said:

Who said that Jesus had no sin?

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Peter, for one; 1 Peter 1:19-20.
Had he been a sinner, he could not have died for OUR sins - so there is no Gospel.