Did the apostles use OT to show how to identify the Messiah?

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Mark quotes 'directly' from Isaiah 40:3 when he says this about Yeshua . . .Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of HASHEM, make his paths straight.
Mark does?

I thought that was the answer given by John when asked who he was?
 
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Did the apostles use OT to show how to identify the Messiah?
Mark quotes 'directly' from Isaiah 40:3 when he says this about Yeshua . . .Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of HASHEM, make his paths straight.
Both Isaiah 40:1-5 and Malachi 3:1-5 refer to what we now know as the 2nd Coming when the Lord establishes His Kingdom on earth. Isaiah 53 and other scriptures were surely understood by the Apostles after their immersion in the Ruach HaKodesh.

Mark 1:1-3 (HRB)
1 The beginning of the good news of Yahshua Messiah, the Son of YAHWEH,
2 as it has been written in the Prophets, "Behold, I send My messenger before Your face, who will prepare Your way before You;
3 the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Prepare the way of YAHWEH, make His paths straight." (Mal. 3:1; Isa. 40:3)​
Verse 3 gives the impression that Yahshua and HASHEM/YAHWEH are inseparable.

Mark 1:4-8 (CJB) gives the impression that John the Baptist is the "Messenger".
4 So it was that Yochanan the Immerser appeared in the desert, proclaiming an immersion involving turning to God from sin in order to be forgiven.
5 People went out to him from all over Y’hudah, as did all the inhabitants of Yerushalayim. Confessing their sins, they were immersed by him in the Yarden River.
6 Yochanan wore clothes of camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; he ate locusts and wild honey.
7 He proclaimed: “After me is coming someone who is more powerful than I — I’m not worthy even to bend down and untie his sandals.
8 I have immersed you in water, but he will immerse you in the Ruach HaKodesh.”​
 
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Mark does?

I thought that was the answer given by John when asked who he was?
Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; 2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
 
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I must have been thinking about John since you said 'Apostles'.

Did the apostles use OT to show how to identify the Messiah?

John 1:23, NIV: "John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, 'I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.''"


Mark was not an Apostle. Some have surmised that this was the same as traveled with Paul and Barnabas and seems to have been written in Rome, some believe from the recalling of Peter (the Apostle) of past events.
 
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Mark does?

I thought that was the answer given by John when asked who he was?


John was that voice.

Isaiah 40:3.
3 A voice of one calling in the wilderness. Prepare
the way for Yahwah;
make straight in the desert
a highway for our Elohiym.
 
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Mark quotes 'directly' from Isaiah 40:3 when he says this about Yeshua . . .Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of HASHEM, make his paths straight.

You may not have noticed the discrepancy between the two readings:

Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of HASHEM, make his paths straight.

Isaiah 40:3 'A voice cries out: 'Clear a road through the desert for the Lord! Level a highway in the Aravah for our God!'

In your quote from Mark, which the Bible purports to be a direct quote from Isaiah, it is about someone physically standing in the desert crying out the message, thus the 'connection', with John.

In the Isaiah text, as I have quoted, it is about someone crying out, with no mention of the cryer physically standing in a desert. A clever use of omitting a comma makes the text a possible prophecy about John.
 
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Mark quotes 'directly' from Isaiah 40:3 when he says this about Yeshua . . .Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of HASHEM, make his paths straight.
I think the Apostles showed that Yeshua was there in the Tanakh, but I also think that he could only be seen there after his resurrection. It is absurd to think that verses that have easy literal meanings could somehow be identified as messianic prophecies. In fact, this is one area that I have real problems with, and simply have to take it on faith.

For example, Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him," at face value is referring to Joshua. Anyone simply reading the verse in the context of the Torah will understand it to mean Joshua. It is only from the NT that we believe it to refer to Yeshua.
 
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I think the Apostles showed that Yeshua was there in the Tanakh, but I also think that he could only be seen there after his resurrection. It is absurd to think that verses that have easy literal meanings could somehow be identified as messianic prophecies. In fact, this is one area that I have real problems with, and simply have to take it on faith.

For example, Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him," at face value is referring to Joshua. Anyone simply reading the verse in the context of the Torah will understand it to mean Joshua. It is only from the NT that we believe it to refer to Yeshua.
so ... is something wrong with more understanding more ability to see the connection with Yeshua?? Old Testament texts either directly or indirectly point ahead in time to the coming of the promised Savior
For example there is the promised seed from the beginning.. Genesis 3:15; 12:1-3; 22:1-18
 
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I think the Apostles showed that Yeshua was there in the Tanakh, but I also think that he could only be seen there after his resurrection. It is absurd to think that verses that have easy literal meanings could somehow be identified as messianic prophecies. In fact, this is one area that I have real problems with, and simply have to take it on faith.

For example, Deuteronomy 18:15 "The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him," at face value is referring to Joshua. Anyone simply reading the verse in the context of the Torah will understand it to mean Joshua. It is only from the NT that we believe it to refer to Yeshua.

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The prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is not about Joshua. Joshua was already alive and active amongst the Israelites. In Deuteronomy 1:38, it's made known that Joshua will take the Israelites into the land.

The prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is a future prophecy. Joshua already existed at the time of the prophecy, and as stated above, it had already been made known that Joshua would take them into the land. And with all due respect, Joshua was not like Moses. It even says so in Deuteronomy 34:10-12

I could see if Joshua hadn't been born/wasn't alive at the time of the prophesy, but since he was well-known, it doesn't make sense that Deuteronomy 18:15 is talking about him, considering this prophecy seems to be pretty significant, and also reads as a future prophesy regarding someone who isn't on the scene yet - unlike Joshua who was already there.

the prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is bigger than Joshua anyways. The whole reason behind this specific prophesy is that Israel rejected God's voice, and a prophet like Moses would be sent to the Israelites(in the future) to fulfill their request that God not talk to them directly.

The bottom line, is that Joshua was not the prophet like Moses prophesied to come in Deuteronomy 18:15

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John 6:14 NLT
When the people saw (Jesus) do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, “Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!”
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Promised “seed” or “Messiah” from these passages....

Exodus 12
Leviticus 16
Deuteronomy 18:15-19 (see Exodus 33:17-33)
2 Samuel 7:12-17
Psalm 2:1-12; 16:7-11; 22, 23; 110:1 (see Matthew 22:41-45); 118:22
Isaiah 7:14; 9:1-7; 52:13--53:12
Jeremiah 23:1-6; 32:37-40; 33:6-9, 14-18
Daniel 2:31-45; 7:13-14; 9:24-27
Micah 5:2-5
Zechariah 9:9; 13:7; 14:1-11
 
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Shalom

The prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is not about Joshua. Joshua was already alive and active amongst the Israelites. In Deuteronomy 1:38, it's made known that Joshua will take the Israelites into the land.

The prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is a future prophecy. Joshua already existed at the time of the prophecy, and as stated above, it had already been made known that Joshua would take them into the land. And with all due respect, Joshua was not like Moses. It even says so in Deuteronomy 34:10-12

I could see if Joshua hadn't been born/wasn't alive at the time of the prophesy, but since he was well-known, it doesn't make sense that Deuteronomy 18:15 is talking about him, considering this prophecy seems to be pretty significant, and also reads as a future prophesy regarding someone who isn't on the scene yet - unlike Joshua who was already there.

the prophecy in Deuteronomy 18:15 is bigger than Joshua anyways. The whole reason behind this specific prophesy is that Israel rejected God's voice, and a prophet like Moses would be sent to the Israelites(in the future) to fulfill their request that God not talk to them directly.

The bottom line, is that Joshua was not the prophet like Moses prophesied to come in Deuteronomy 18:15

--
John 6:14 NLT
When the people saw (Jesus) do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, “Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!”
--
Although it is true that Joshua did not talk to God face to face, that's not the point. The point was that he was a prophet like Moses was a prophet who revealed the word of God to Israel, and what is more, he led them into the promised land, which is what Moses should have done, but sinned.
 
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so ... is something wrong with more understanding more ability to see the connection with Yeshua?? Old Testament texts either directly or indirectly point ahead in time to the coming of the promised Savior
For example there is the promised seed from the beginning.. Genesis 3:15; 12:1-3; 22:1-18
I think the Apostles only understood it because Yeshua taught it to them, and new Christians only understood it because they were taught by the Apostles. And they believed it because of the authority of the Apostles. I don't think it is readily apparent. I think even the Bereans had to be shown before they saw it for themselves.
 
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Although it is true that Joshua did not talk to God face to face, that's not the point. The point was that he was a prophet like Moses was a prophet who revealed the word of God to Israel, and what is more, he led them into the promised land, which is what Moses should have done, but sinned.
I think the point about time frame is important and should not be dismissed.
 
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