Do All People Love God?
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Those verses talk about God disciplining his people like you might send your child to his room for a much less significant offence.
Taking Gal. 6:7 out of context might make you think it is cut and dry. I have sown after the flesh, but I have not reaped destruction, but loving discipline because of what I have sown after the flesh, since I quite doing that. Sowing after the flesh and needing forgiveness and disciplining and that has been done, but destruction (hell) is not going to happen for me.
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Hmm I would say my acceptance of his love and decision to repent came first. I was at an apostolic convention and my acceptance of his love and decision to turn away from my old ways came first. Days later I received the Holy Ghost so yeah that came later
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It has power sure, but Jesus died for all people as the ultimate expression of God's love and people reject Jesus in droves! So I would say God's love has power to change sure, but only on those who accept it.
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So, *before* God loved you, you decided/accepted something?
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You can talk about God’s Love producing rain for the just and the unjust, but that does not mean rain really helps the unjust in their being saved.
Just because God Loves everyone does not mean everyone humbly receives that Love as pure charity and if they do not the Love transaction did not happen between them and God. The person has to accept God’s Love as pure charity or it has no good effect on them.
Just because God Loves everyone does not mean everyone humbly receives that Love as pure charity and if they do not the Love transaction did not happen between them and God. The person has to accept God’s Love as pure charity or it has no good effect on them.
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So, you are saying that first you change, then God's love can/may have power to change you, right?
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No I said my acceptance of his love, like me making it up in my mind to strive to love him back. God has always loved us
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Not necessarily
Jesus died as a result of God's love. It was an expression of God's love and his way of reaching out to each person to reconcile them to himself.
Each person must decide for themselves if they want to accept that love or if the reject it.
Those who accept it will receive it, those who reject it will not. There is an element of God but also an element of us.
Case in point is in Luke when Jesus is speaking of John the Baptist he says the Pharisees had rejected God by refusing John's message. John's message was from God, so it shows that we can reject God on our own free will. Many people have and will.
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Don't you have to change before you can accept the love that changes you?
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So then, God's love doesn't have an effect on you. It causes nothing, in your experience, other than "striving to love Him back", that is. Am I understanding you correctly now?
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"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)
Also, in us His almighty power of love changes our nature to become more and more like His love >
"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
So, it is good to not only have God cast out fear and worry, but to also cure our nature so we are naturally immune to fear, but also become more and more pleasing to God, like Jesus is, plus love the way Jesus in us has us loving. In us, Jesus shares how He is and how He loves > Galatians 4:19, Galatians 2:20.
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I think we change only in attitude of heart. I decide I want to follow God and that change of attitude is what allows God's love to flow.
The flesh cannot crucify the flesh. But at the same time God cannot and will not impose himself on someone who does not want him.
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No I got saved because of my deaiscion to do all I can to love him back. I think you should stop with this Socrates act and just maybe understand what I'm saying. It's not hard. What I'm saying is because of his love I responded to his love by repenting and being saved
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First you weren't "following God". Then you were following God, and this change happened prior to your knowledge or experience of His love toward you, is that right?
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Now you say that His love changed you first. Shall I copy and paste your other answers? I'm not performing an act. I'm trying to understand what you POV is, and it's been a bit tough to nail down.
Your salvation is based upon: "I got saved because of my deaiscion to do all I can to love him back."
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Not entirely sure I understand the question.
We know people are born in sin, and thus separated from God, not "following" him but "following" our own desires.
When we heard the gospel, we decided to either do something about the message or ignore it. Sometimes people may hear multiple times before they "do something about it". But do something they must.
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