Adam and Evolution: A Reconciliation

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CC364: Marine fossils on mountains
  1. Shells on mountains are easily explained by uplift of the land. Although this process is slow, it is observed happening today, and it accounts not only for the seashells on mountains but also for the other geological and paleontological features of those mountains. The sea once did cover the areas where the fossils are found, but they were not mountains at the time; they were shallow seas.

  2. A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:
    • Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.
    • In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood. This was noted as early as the sixteenth century by Leonardo da Vinci (Gould 1998).
    • Other evidence, such as fossilized tracks and burrows of marine organisms, show that the region was once under the sea. Seashells are not found in sediments that were not formerly covered by the sea
Oh I know that academia has atheistic explanation for everything. How many years have they had to spin their yarn?

I am not an expert in geology. Nor it's terminology.

I do know that the mountains have seashells..... this means they were covered with sea water....there is only one explanation for that. No matter how you spin it.

Also, there were no mountains, of the size we have today, before the flood.... read the bible.

The mountains were pushed up after the ground was covered with sediment.

Remember Satan's first line of attack..... "does the bible really say........."
 
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Fair enough.

One thing is certain - we will all have our chance to see if Genesis is literal and if God really cares if we are evolutionists, creationists or something in between. My guess is he won't, since the gospels and epistles teach us that faith in Jesus is what is important.
God could, I agree, care less if YOU believe in the Genesis account as a saved child of God...

YOU are not the concern here... the searching hearts of unbelievers..........that's another story....

Check this Mr. "I know so much that I should spout contradictions of literal scripture based on the teachings of atheistic men"


Luke 17:1-3New International Version (NIV)

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17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves.

So, it is clearly not your salvation that this is in regards to...

It is most definitely ears of the numbers of souls that your atheistic anti biblical teaching falls upon during their impressionable times where they decide if the Bible is a true word of God or some ancient book of fairy tales.
 
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So, you believe all the supernatural events of Christ's life as a man on earth, However, you think He has mislead you when He told you that He spoke the universe into existence in six days... Something He is clearly capable of.

And........you base your unbelief in His words on the words and mental assumptions of other mere humans?

You basically are putting the earthly knowledge of men above the integrity of the Words of God.

Personally........I believe that the only reason that many Christians have not called the Gospel Account and all the events of Jesus' life an allegorical commentary is for the simple fact that the eternal state of their soul depends on it.... otherwise... it would be written off just like the other events of the bible that the Atheistic hive mind has denied to be real.

Satan is the great deceiver...many will fall to his trickery.

I cannot fall for his lies if I take the word of God as it was written....

Earth is Gods creation. Modern geology is nothing more than the study of God creation. It is a study in learning how to "read the rocks". Reading the rocks takes time and effort, time and effort to learn the language.

For those who do not take the time to learn the language, or take the time to learn how to read the rocks or how to understand geology, they should not simply assume that it is the work of satan.

If you do not know how to read the rocks, and are not familair with the study of Gods creation, it is irresponsible to assume it is the work of satan when you arent aware of the information contained.
 
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God could, I agree, care less if YOU believe in the Genesis account as a saved child of God...

YOU are not the concern here... the searching hearts of unbelievers..........that's another story....

Check this Mr. "I know so much that I should spout contradictions of literal scripture based on the teachings of atheistic men"

The father of modern geology, James Hutton, the one who first proposed uniformitarianism geology and an understanding of an old earth, was a Christian. He was not an atheist.
 
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God could, I agree, care less if YOU believe in the Genesis account as a saved child of God...

YOU are not the concern here... the searching hearts of unbelievers..........that's another story....

Check this Mr. "I know so much that I should spout contradictions of literal scripture based on the teachings of atheistic men"


Luke 17:1-3New International Version (NIV)

Sin, Faith, Duty
17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble. 3 So watch yourselves.

So, it is clearly not your salvation that this is in regards to...

It is most definitely ears of the numbers of souls that your atheistic anti biblical teaching falls upon during their impressionable times where they decide if the Bible is a true word of God or some ancient book of fairy tales.

Having been on the receiving end of judgement from fundamentalist Christians, I can tell you it did not bring me closer to a God, but nearly drove me away.

Allegorical interpretation of Genesis helped me regain faith. Being surrounded by literalists stifled my faith.

Perhaps others will have the same experience I did.

None of us can claim to have the only true interpretation of the Bible. We are after all only human. As long as we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are all Christians, though.
 
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The father of modern geology, James Hutton, the one who first proposed uniformitarianism geology and an understanding of an old earth, was a Christian. He was not an atheist.
So was Darwin.... apparently.
 
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So was Darwin.... apparently.
They (readers) might not realize that yes, it was reported that
AFTER Darwin made all those false publications,
Darwin , before he died, repented and was sorrowful of all the sin he had done promoting godlessness thru evolution,
and Darwin repented of it,
in which case , if it was true, he really repented, he was saved then.
 
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They (readers) might not realize that yes, it was reported that
AFTER Darwin made all those false publications,
Darwin , before he died, repented and was sorrowful of all the sin he had done promoting godlessness thru evolution,
and Darwin repented of it,
in which case , if it was true, he really repented, he was saved then.

I've heard yes and no on that , but good if he did, only he has to watch train loads being shipped to hell on his account where faith was quenched convinced by the lie ..
 
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I really think that having a small and trite view of creation has caused us to have a small and trite view of God. We take nature around us completely for granted, blind to the incredible living miracle that it all is and robbing God of His glory. When I think what one word of His accomplished and set in motion and is still sustaining it all, so perfectly, it blows me away in AWE of Him......no wonder He said if we have faith we can move mountains, even that agrees. Well He wanted to glorify Himself, so why are we afraid to see Him as He is and give Him the glory that He deserves for the magnificence of what He actually has done?
 
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So was Darwin.... apparently.

When I have some time ill pull up some quotes from Hutton's publications on the theory of the earth.

Hutton learned early on, certain ways of reading the rocks, or understanding Gods creation, before others. Before his time, few studied or examined the earth and creation at large, in the way that he had.

And he truly was concerned, as his observations did run into conflict with interpretations of the early church. But he none the less, published his ideas, in confidence and in trust of the Lord, that this was and is God's creation, and that God would carry his message and truth, to His church.

And this is exactly what we see. 300 years have passed since the late 1700s when Hutton published his findings. And the power in his initial discoveries, since then have only gained traction.

Every person of the church should take time to understand Hutton's work and observations, before assuming it is work of satan.
 
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I really think that having a small and trite view of creation has caused us to have a small and trite view of God. We take nature around us completely for granted, blind to the incredible living miracle that it all is and robbing God of His glory. When I think what one word of His accomplished and set in motion and is still sustaining it all, so perfectly, it blows me away in AWE of Him......no wonder He said if we have faith we can move mountains, even that agrees. Well He wanted to glorify Himself, so why are we afraid to see Him as He is and give Him the glory that He deserves for the magnificence of what He actually has done?

During many of my fasts I have caught glimpses of the awe of God while seeking him . To give credit to random process is fake and evil imo .. There are two genealogies of Jesus given in the Bible , one through his mother Mary and one through Joseph his legal but not biological father both traced with names and some brief description back to King David both the priestly and Kingship lineage, then back to Adam and Eve the 6th day of creation .. Jesus the Son knew who he was, where he come from and where he was going .. Ask any harlot monger or adultress and they'll probably tell you '' I've done nothing wrong, how can something that feels so right be so wrong''
 
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Every person of the church should take time to understand Hutton's work and observations,...
Rather,
no one should do so,
unless the Father in heaven directs them to.
Taking time, won't grant understanding either -
only the Father can grant this, as He Pleases,
as His Word Says.
 
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Poor Darwin did not yet see how the principle he discovered agrees with God's word. Can only imagine his agony. Note that he didn't invent the idea, he only discovered it, was given eyes to see it.....it is all God's doing, He invented it, created it, accomplished it, and to Him be all the glory. Don't we know that He WANTS to be glorified? He is so much bigger than we know. Every knee will bow....one day it will all make sense....because it does not contradict His word. And to think this will all wear out like a garment too......with the increase of knowledge in the last days, scientists have seen how this might be as well.......this also agrees with God's word, and couldn't have been conceived by man when that was written. Awesome. His word is always proven true and the earth is not flat. Everything that can be shaken will be shaken, even our trite understandings. If our faith is real it will stand the shaking. Let's only see what He has done and give God the glory He deserves! PRAISE the Lord, the Living God! Bless you Jesus.
 
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During many of my fasts I have caught glimpses of the awe of God while seeking him . To give credit to random process is fake and evil imo .. There are two genealogies of Jesus given in the Bible , one through his mother Mary and one through Joseph his legal but not biological father both traced with names and some brief description back to King David both the priestly and Kingship lineage, then back to Adam and Eve the 6th day of creation .. Jesus the Son knew who he was, where he come from and where he was going .. Ask any harlot monger or adultress and they'll probably tell you '' I've done nothing wrong, how can something that feels so right be so wrong''

Oh I don't believe there was anything random about it.
 
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.with the increase of knowledge in the last days, scientists have seen how this might be as well...
The world system, society, and scientists that are deceived by it all,
don't "see" how anything might be in truth - they cannot.
 
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Having been on the receiving end of judgement from fundamentalist Christians, I can tell you it did not bring me closer to a God, but nearly drove me away.

Allegorical interpretation of Genesis helped me regain faith. Being surrounded by literalists stifled my faith.

Perhaps others will have the same experience I did.

None of us can claim to have the only true interpretation of the Bible. We are after all only human. As long as we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are all Christians, though.
That is a nice testimony.

Did you know that people, today, are being saved and coming to the lord due to the resurgence of the belief in the flat earth????
 
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Rather,
no one should do so,
unless the Father in heaven directs them to.
Taking time, won't grant understanding either -
only the Father can grant this, as He Pleases,
as His Word Says.

It is our responsibility, as Gods church, to teach the Gospel and to educate the world on who He is and what He has done for us. A major part of that that every person on earth wonders about is, if He created us, then how did He do it?

It is our responsibility to accurately present the Gospel in whole, including details related to Genesis and the creation of the universe and earth.

And so it follows that it is our responsibility to at least have a general understanding of creation through study of the earth, prior to making claims on how God performed creation. Further, it is our responsibility to have knowledge of the earth, prior to claiming that others peoples studies of earth are the work of satan.
 
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So, you believe all the supernatural events of Christ's life as a man on earth, However, you think He has mislead you when He told you that He spoke the universe into existence in six days... Something He is clearly capable of.

And........you base your unbelief in His words on the words and mental assumptions of other mere humans?

You basically are putting the earthly knowledge of men above the integrity of the Words of God.

Personally........I believe that the only reason that many Christians have not called the Gospel Account and all the events of Jesus' life an allegorical commentary is for the simple fact that the eternal state of their soul depends on it.... otherwise... it would be written off just like the other events of the bible that the Atheistic hive mind has denied to be real.

Satan is the great deceiver...many will fall to his trickery.

I cannot fall for his lies if I take the word of God as it was written....

I think you are responding to some other person, but mistook me for them.

I haven't found anything in the Bible that doesn't make sense, though some things took years to understand well of course, and I've read through all of it more than once, and most of it 3 or more times. Every bit makes sense to me now. But I suspect you were guessing otherwise, and perhaps because you are responding to ideas you think I have that are not my own actually. For instance, I think the days in Genesis chapter 1 are real actual days (24 hour days), and the things seen in the days as in the chapter were given in a vision. From God. Do I believe in God? Yes I do. Do I think Genesis chapter 1 is from God? Yes I do. Does that help?
Perhaps if you presume you don't know too many precise details of what my view is before you ask me. :), that would help if you want to talk with me.

What are the most crucial core understandings of what I've read? Wonderfully, they are written out and I can show you them --

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.
 
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That is a nice testimony.

Did you know that people, today, are being saved and coming to the lord due to the resurgence of the belief in the flat earth????

I'll say it again.

We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ. This is what the gospels and epistles teach us.

While I do believe in evolution and a round earth, I do not believe that God will judge anyone well or harshly based on their interpretation of Genesis.
 
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It is our responsibility, as Gods church, to teach the Gospel and to educate the world on who He is and what He has done for us. A major part of that that every person on earth wonders about is, if He created us, then how did He do it?

It is our responsibility to accurately present the Gospel in whole, including details related to Genesis and the creation of the universe and earth.

And so it follows that it is our responsibility to at least have a general understanding of creation through study of the earth, prior to making claims on how God performed creation. Further, it is our responsibility to have knowledge of the earth, prior to claiming that others peoples studies of earth are the work of satan.

Right, maybe you outta put that rock down for a while and seek God's face sometime using his Word :oldthumbsup:
 
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