Universal Reconciliation is still unscriptural.

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Where does scripture say "Jesus proclaimed the gospel" to the dead?
1 Peter 4:5-6
(5) Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
(6) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Jamieson, Faussett, Brown commentary
The Gospel, substantially, was “preached” to the Old Testament Church; though not so fully as to the New Testament Church. It is no valid objection that the Gospel has not been preached to all that shall be found dead at Christ’s coming. For Peter is plainly referring only to those within reach of the Gospel, or who might have known God through His ministers in Old and New Testament times. Peter, like Paul, argues that those found living at Christ’s coming shall have no advantage above the dead who shall then be raised, inasmuch as the latter live unto, or “according to,” God, even already in His purpose. ...For “judged” cannot have a different meaning in this verse from what “judge” bears in 1Pe_4:5. “Live according to God” means, live a life with God, such as God lives, divine; as contrasted with “according to men in the flesh,” that is, a life such as men live in the flesh.
John Gill Commentary on the Whole Bible
to them that are dead;
not in a figurative sense, dead in trespasses and sins; … but the word "dead" is used in the same sense as in the preceding verse, where it manifestly signifies such who had been alive, but were now dead in a natural sense, whom Christ would judge as well as those that will be found alive when he comes; wherefore the Gospel has been preached also to them that are already dead, as well as to those who are now alive.…
And by these are meant, not the dead, whose souls are in hell, for to them, there, the Gospel never was, nor never will be preached, nor they saved, as Origen, and his followers, have vainly thought: nor the deceased patriarchs, before the coming of Christ, …whither Christ, they say, went upon his death, and preached to them, and delivered them; but these never were in any such place, but in peace and rest; nor did Christ, in his human soul, descend thither, but went to paradise:
live according to God in the Spirit;
while they were here on earth, the Gospel preached to them had such an effect upon them, as to cause them to live spiritually, to live by faith on Christ, to live a life of holiness from him, and communion with him, and to live according to the will of God, in righteousness and true holiness; and now, though dead in their bodies, they live in their spirits or souls an eternal life of comfort, peace, pleasure, and happiness with God, according to his eternal purpose, unchangeable covenant, promise, grace, and love.
NET 1 Peter 4:5-6
(5) They will face a reckoning before12 Jesus Christ 13 who stands ready to judge the living and the dead.
(6) Now it was for this very purpose 14 that the gospel was preached to those who are now dead,15 so that though 16 they were judged in the flesh 17 by human standards 18 they may live spiritually 19 by God’s standards.20

15sn In context the phrase those who are dead refers to those now dead who had accepted the gospel while they were still living and had suffered persecution for their faith. Though they “suffered judgment” in this earthly life (i.e., they died, in the midst of physical abuse from the ungodly), they will enjoy life from God in the spiritual, heavenly realm because of the gospel (v. 6b). It clearly does not assume a second chance for conversion offered to unbelievers who had died; why would Peter urge people to suffer in this life for the sake of the gospel if he believed that mercy would be extended to all the dead in the hereafter (cf. 2:7-8; 4:1-5, 12-19)?
16tn Grk “so that they may be judged…but may live.” Greek emphasizes the contrast between these two clauses more than can be easily expressed in English.
Note: The senior editor of the NET is Dr. Dan Wallace who has taught graduate level Greek for 30+ years.
John Gill Commentary on the Whole Bible
to them that are dead;
not in a figurative sense, dead in trespasses and sins; … but the word "dead" is used in the same sense as in the preceding verse, where it manifestly signifies such who had been alive, but were now dead in a natural sense, whom Christ would judge as well as those that will be found alive when he comes; wherefore the Gospel has been preached also to them that are already dead, as well as to those who are now alive.…
And by these are meant, not the dead, whose souls are in hell, for to them, there, the Gospel never was, nor never will be preached, nor they saved, as Origen, and his followers, have vainly thought: nor the deceased patriarchs, before the coming of Christ, …whither Christ, they say, went upon his death, and preached to them, and delivered them; but these never were in any such place, but in peace and rest; nor did Christ, in his human soul, descend thither, but went to paradise:
live according to God in the Spirit;
while they were here on earth, the Gospel preached to them had such an effect upon them, as to cause them to live spiritually, to live by faith on Christ, to live a life of holiness from him, and communion with him, and to live according to the will of God, in righteousness and true holiness; and now, though dead in their bodies, they live in their spirits or souls an eternal life of comfort, peace, pleasure, and happiness with God, according to his eternal purpose, unchangeable covenant, promise, grace, and love.
NET 1 Peter 4:5-6
(5) They will face a reckoning before12 Jesus Christ13 who stands ready to judge the living and the dead.
(6) Now it was for this very purpose14 that the gospel was preached to those who are now dead,15 so that though16 they were judged in the flesh17 by human standards18 they may live spiritually19 by God’s standards.20
15
sn In context the phrase those who are dead refers to those now dead who had accepted the gospel while they were still living and had suffered persecution for their faith. Though they “suffered judgment” in this earthly life (i.e., they died, in the midst of physical abuse from the ungodly), they will enjoy life from God in the spiritual, heavenly realm because of the gospel (v. 6b). It clearly does not assume a second chance for conversion offered to unbelievers who had died; why would Peter urge people to suffer in this life for the sake of the gospel if he believed that mercy would be extended to all the dead in the hereafter (cf. 2:7-8; 4:1-5, 12-19)?
16tn Grk “so that they may be judged…but may live.” Greek emphasizes the contrast between these two clauses more than can be easily expressed in English.
mkgal1 said:
Correction.....I'm referring to this passage:
mkgal1 said:
1 Peter 3:18-20
(18) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
(19) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
.....I'm just wondering if you're "hearing" that as an assertion (one that you don't agree with) that "the gospel was proclaimed".
The grave/hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell anywhere in the Bible.
Luke 4:18-19
(18) The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
(19) To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Jesus' earthly ministry included preaching deliverance to the captives but not one verse says that Jesus' ministry included preaching to dead spirits in prison.
The word translated captives literally means "prisoners of war." Jesus earthly ministry included preaching deliverance to the captives.


 
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When people died under the OC they didn't go straight to heaven. They went to paradise/ Sheol, call it what you will. It is to these people Christ preached in the passage from scripture. For none could attain a true righteousness of observing the law. All under old and new covenant rely on Christ's sacrifice at Calvary to enter heaven.
Of course, we may consider the only people in the paradise Jesus went to after he was crucified were those who loved God under the OC. I am not suggesting anyone else was there. But neither am I adamant they were not.
 
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1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Isa.35:10 The Yahweh’s ransomed ones will return, and come with singing to Zion; and everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”
 
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Is there a reason why you took those quotes from one thread and then began a new thread with them? It seems they'd be better understood in the original context.
Guess you haven't had your coffee this morning. The other thread was locked at the OPs request.
 
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1 Timothy 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Isa.35:10 The Yahweh’s ransomed ones will return, and come with singing to Zion; and everlasting joy will be on their heads. They will obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and sighing will flee away.”
Standard heterodox ploy. Take a verse from the NT and one from the OT, jam them together irrespective of their context to prove a point. Anyone can prove almost anything doing that e.g. I can prove that the Bible says "There is no God" Psalms 14 and 53. Don't check the context.
.....Evidently these vss, are supposed to prove that God will save all mankind, no matter what.
Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s will, expressly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, not just an elect, predestined, chosen, few, was for all of Israel and all of Judah to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments presented, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.

This passage very much speaks to the issue of God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”
Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.

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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them. If God knew during the time of Jeremiah that He was ultimately going to save all mankind why was He so emphatic about saying "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." When do God's words change to "I will now have pity, spare and have mercy?"
 
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Guess you haven't had your coffee this morning. The other thread was locked at the OPs request.
Oops. No that isn't it (I posted that last night). I was using my phone while waiting in line. It was irresponsible posting :/
 
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Oops. No that isn't it (I posted that last night). I was using my phone while waiting in line. It was irresponsible posting :/
Lack of knowledge is not irresponsible.
 
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When do God's words change to "I will now have pity, spare and have mercy?"

For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone. (Romans 11:32)

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


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https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf


"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."
 
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Guess you haven't had your coffee this morning. The other thread was locked at the OPs request.
I never requested it to be locked. I believe that it was under a short review. Why?...I do not know. Salvation for the dead is an extremely important subject. And a very loving thing that Jesus does for the dead through us. If one searches for it in scripture with a loving heart, one will find it.
 
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For God has imprisoned everyone in disobedience so he could have mercy on everyone. (Romans 11:32)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
This is the same slip shod scriptural manipulation which all heterodox religious groups use trying to prove their false doctrines. Take several isolated verses from all over the Bible slam them together irrespective of their context. 1 Cor 3:13-15 has absolutely nothing to do with all mankind's eternal fate. Anybody can prove almost any heterodox doctrine by selectively quoting isolated verses out-of-context. I can even prove that the Bible says, "There is no God," twice. Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1
Let's read Rom 11 with a little more context.

Romans 11:32
(32) For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
But there are conditions for receiving God's mercy.
Romans 10:4
(4) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:9
(9) If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 11:19-24
(19) You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in."
(20) Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.
(21) For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
(22) Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
(23) And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
(24) After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
 
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I never requested it to be locked. I believe that it was under a short review. Why?...I do not know. Salvation for the dead is an extremely important subject. And a very loving thing that Jesus does for the dead through us. If one searches for it in scripture with a loving heart, one will find it.
I think he's referring to another thread: What Does Universal Salvation Mean?
 
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Anybody can prove almost any [snip] doctrine by selectively quoting isolated verses out-of-context.

Which is exactly what Damnationists do here & in general in the world on a regular basis. You guys also have a habit of reading into texts what is not there.

I can even prove that the Bible says, "There is no God," twice. Psalms 14:1 and Psalms 53:1

Half a verse or sentence. That's ridiculous.
 
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Romans 11:32
(32) For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
But there are conditions for receiving God's mercy.
Romans 10:4
(4) Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Rom 10:9
(9) If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


Phil. 2:9-11

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
 
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Which is exactly what Damnationists do here & in general in the world on a regular basis. You guys also have a habit of reading into texts what is not there.
An easy accusation to make but alas impossible to prove!
Half a verse or sentence. That's ridiculous.
No more out-of-context than the vss. you quote out-of-context to prove UR. But you readily notice it when I do it, real telling that you can't recognize the same logical fallacy in your own posts. Remember there was no punctuation in the Hebrew/Greek texts so many of your proof texts also break up sentences.
Phil. 2:9-11
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Now harmonize that verse with the other 31,172 vss, in the Bible.
 
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An easy accusation to make but alas impossible to prove!

And one you didn't deny, but is evident from decades of observation on forums, articles, books, etc, by Damnationsists:

Which is exactly what Damnationists do here & in general in the world on a regular basis. You guys also have a habit of reading into texts what is not there.

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https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf


"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."
 
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Take several isolated verses from all over the Bible slam them together irrespective of their context. 1 Cor 3:13-15 has absolutely nothing to do with all mankind's eternal fate.


13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

That says "every man", not "every saint", not "every believer", not "every church member", not "every Christian", not "everyone of us", and not "every labourer", etc.

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Compare the destruction of v.17 to the destruction for salvation here:

1 Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

So one who is destroyed & unsaved (3:17; 5:5) will still be saved (3:15).

Verse 17 of the context immediately following v.15 explains who those (lost ones) are that shall be saved:

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Compare:

1 Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And therefore, in context, 3:15 is also referring to those who are not saved, but become saved "as by fire".

Therefore 3:15 can & does refer to unsaved persons getting saved. The most immediate context proves it.

You ignore the context Paul is talking to Christians at Corinth "labourers together with God: God's husbandry, God's building" not all mankind. You need to find a proof text which clearly refers to all mankind and not a certain group.

You overlook the immediate context which refers to those who are unsaved (v.17a):

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Compare these verses, which also speaks of God destroying [albeit indirectly] an unsaved person, by giving him to Satan, in order to save him:

1 Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And therefore, in context, 3:15 is also referring to those who are not saved, but become saved "as by fire".

Therefore 3:15 can & does refer to unsaved persons. The most immediate context proves it.

Verse 11 says that "no one" can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid which is Jesus Christ. The words "no one" are not limited to the saints in Corinth, but refer to all mankind. This is the last reference identifying any group of people in the next several verses leading up to v.15. Thus prior context and the more immediate following context both support the view that v.15 refers to the unsaved being saved.

Verses 16-17 of the context immediately following v.15 speaks of those who are not saved in 17a:

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Compare:

1 Cor.5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And therefore, in context, 3:15 is also referring to those who are not saved, but become saved "as by fire".

Therefore 1 Cor.3:15 supports Scriptural Universalism, that all will be saved.

Christ is the foundation for the entire world, not just believers. He died for all.

He is the light that lighteth every one (John 1:9)

How they respond to Him determines how they are building on the foundation.

Some build with gold, silver & precious stones. Others build with wood hay & stubble:

"Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;" (1 Corinthians 3:12)

Silver indicates the redemption of Christ. Those who build with silver, build with faith in Christ as their redeemer. They are believers.

Those who build with wood, hay & stubble build with things that will be destroyed by fire since they are not works of faith, but works of iniquity:

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Their sinful works will be burned up, yet they will be saved, yet as by fire:

1 Corinthians 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The one who is destroyed (v.17) refers back to the one who "shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (v.15). Verse 17 explains verse 15 of the immediate context. Similarly, in chapter 5, we have one destroyed in order for him to be saved:

1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Jesus is the Light that lightens every man (Jn.1:9). Human beings were made in God's image & likeness. They are temples made by God:

Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens...
24...[the] Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;...25...
he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;... 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God...

1 Corinthians 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Compare:

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12, KJV)
And lo, I come quickly, and my reward is with me, to render to each as his work shall be; (Rev.22:12, YLT)

Jeremiah 17:10
"I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man will come in His Father's glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Revelation 2:23
Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Romans 2:6-11 Who will render to every man according to his deeds…

In Mt 25:31-46...the righteous & the unrighteous are distinguished by their works.

James says faith without works is dead:

James 2:20b-26 faith without works is dead 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

1 Cor.13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing...
4 Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away...
13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf


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"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."


 
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13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
That says "every man", not "every saint", not "every believer", not "every church member", not "every Christian", not "everyone of us", and not "every labourer", etc.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Compare the destruction of v.17 to the destruction for salvation here:
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You cried foul when I quoted part of a verse, a verse division which did not exist in the original Greek manuscripts. Here you yank a few verses out-of-context.
To whom is 1 Cor. written?

1 Corinthians 1:2
(2) To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
To the "church of God in Corinth" and specifically "his holy people". That is the context of the entire letter. In the passage which you are quoting parts out-of-context Paul says "we are co-workers in God's service; God's field, God's building." Paul is not saying that all mankind are "co-workers in God's service"
1 Corinthians 3:9-17
(9) For we are labourers together with God: God's husbandry, God's building.
(10) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
All mankind are not co-workers in God's service, building on the foundation of Jesus Christ, vs. 11. All references to "no man,""any man,""every man" are to the same group identified in vs. 9, not all mankind. Paul is certainly talking about "co-workers in God's service, building on the foundation of Jesus Christ, in vss. 11-12 but he doesn't suddenly switch to all mankind in vs. 13, without saying he did.
(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
"Every man,"any man" in these vss. are the same group in vss. 11-12 not all mankind.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
All mankind does not have the spirit of God dwelling in them. Vss. 13-15 cannot be saying all mankind will be saved when vs. 17 says that any man who defiles the temple of God will be destroyed not saved.
 
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Where does scripture say "Jesus proclaimed the gospel" to the dead?
John 5:25. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

1 Peter 3:18-19. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Please don't be offended by this. I would really love to hang in here with you guys. But your posts are too long for me to swallow. Perhaps, I'll just tap on a few things here and there. Peace.
 
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