"Our Sun is a Binary Star System": Why do we ignore how ancient religions understood the Heavens?

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Studying the heavens can help one to truly appreciate how much God is a God of order and values His creation :) For anyone who is interested, I found this rather fascinating presentation on a Binary Star System and thought it gave a lot of good food for thought (more at BinaryResearch). It's called
The Great Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0 ) ... a fascinating documentary film which explores the possibility that our Sun moves around a companion star and displays all the characteristics of this binary motion.


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The documentary re-introduces an idea presented thousands of years ago in Plato’s Timaeus and then again in The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar, that a great 24,000-year astronomical cycle, including the precession of the equinox, may result from the relationship of our sun to a distant binary partner.

It's Fascinating to consider when looking at the stars and considering how our own world may be one. Binary Solar Systems are a very intriguing concept and one of the reasons I enjoy seeing the history of differing cultures/religions is because they way they interpreted our solar system and galaxy intrigue me, especially when seeing how many Indigenous cultures (as an example) took a lot of time to map out stars before science evolved/built on their work. I appreciate how ancient cultures studied and documented astronomy - and I find it wild when seeing how much science seems to have caught up with what ancient religions already knew.

But even with this being the case, we often see only SECULAR voices involved in the world of science rather than voices from the religious world.

As I've said elsewhere, After watching a documentary on one of the planets of the Solar System, was thinking on all the way others have been such a blessing who work in the world of Astronomy & Astrophysics every time I watch the Discovery Channel or things in documentaries about the solar system.

And yet when I was studying the matter recently, it occurred to me that it often seems those involved in studying the heavens seem to be atheist or agnostics. It seems to be across the wall many times, even though I am aware of Christians in various fields of science. That said, I was wondering if anyone here was aware of others in differing religions involved in those fields and other fields of science.
 
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Studying the heavens can help one to truly appreciate how much God is a God of order and values His creation :) For anyone who is interested, I found this rather fascinating presentation on a Binary Star System and thought it gave a lot of good food for thought (more at BinaryResearch). It's called
The Great Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0 ) ... a fascinating documentary film which explores the possibility that our Sun moves around a companion star and displays all the characteristics of this binary motion.


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The documentary re-introduces an idea presented thousands of years ago in Plato’s Timaeus and then again in The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar, that a great 24,000-year astronomical cycle, including the precession of the equinox, may result from the relationship of our sun to a distant binary partner.
To clarify some things further on where I stand in the OP...

I think science is amazing when it works in unison with religious thought. As a Christian, I've considered this often...

For an interesting article on the issue of the heavens, this is something that has blessed me a lot - called the following:


The article comes from an Orthodox Christian perspective, but I do value it much. Reading it, I got the impression that his general thrust was on retreating from scientific discovery when it seems that it leads to a devaluing of understanding/appreciating the simple things in life that the medieval and Early Church world valued.

Not everything that we see in the world of science today as being "inaccurate" (i.e. the world being round rather than flat as a quick example) led to a negative since quality was seen as the focus more so than accuracy for its own sake (as Fr. Michael P. Plekon of the Orthodox Church of America noted best). As discussed in another thread years ago with one field of science ( in #469 and #481 , #478 ), Thinking the Earth was flat because the Sun rose horizontally (from their perspective) did not change the fact that they appreciated the value of the Sun and who Made it (God) - whereas later generations used valid beliefs on accuracy done by believers (Galileo in example) during the Enlightenment Age to say "If this view was true that Christians and others had, then EVERYTHING supernatural is false."

Their viewing the Earth as flat didn't change the fact that they had a much greater sense of AWE and AMAZEMENT thinking the Sun was going to come up every day and there was something mysterious with not knowing where the sun went after it went down. Families were connected together even when it seemed their knowledge was not as complete as we have it today - whereas modernity and the Age of Reason assumed that Human Reason alone is what could give life meaning.......and thus, there was no longer simplicity.

Considering these “fathers” of the Scientific Revolution:
  • Andreas Vesalius (1514-1564) “Father of modern anatomy”

  • Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) “Father of modern astronomy”

  • William Harvey (1578-1630) “Father of modern medicine”

  • Robert Boyle (1627-1691) “Father of modern chemistry”

  • Antony van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723) “Father of microbiology”

  • Isaac Newton (1642-1727) “Father of modern mechanistic physics” (and, with Leibnitz, of calculus).
Within the realm of the science of music, the same has been seen. For example, in 1616, astronomer Johannes Kepler pursued a longstanding interest in music in an unusual direction. He developed a system of musical notation to represent the variations in the speed of each planet when nearest to and furthest from the sun. The harmonies produced by the planets’ notes, he felt, proclaimed the glory of God. He used just two notes to represent the relatively small change in the earth’s speed, lamenting, “The Earth sings Mi-Fa-Mi, so we can gather even from this that Misery and Famine reign on our habitat.” He published this research as Harmonies of the World (1618). Seemingly a quirky diversion, these musical investigations led Kepler to the discovery of the principles of planetary motion, which, 40 years later, would spur Isaac Newton to develop his theory of universal gravitation.

Science was never meant to be concieved as the enemy of religion - or as the enemy of simplicity and enjoyment or automatically ruling out the supernatural - as even within church history, other believers stated outright how science should be welcomed when it comes to showing the artistic/delicate design that the universe has been given to keep going.

And even as they sought to understand the world, they did not lose their sense of awe for the Lord or value of family/relationships - and they also did not assume they were ever able to know everything. Even they still looked UP to the Heavens knowing they couldn't see or know everything there was to know in existence.

As an aside, the background behind how things went when they viewed the sun is fascinating - the sun’s visual journey throughout the course of the year signified a universal journey, which has been understood and undertaken by people throughout the world, and throughout time—the journey to enlightenment. And the frescos have been really excellent in making that point - as it concerns examples showing Jesus in the centre of a zodiac as done by certain monasteries.

The heavens do declare the glory of God and There's no reason to assume that the early world was "primitive" or "off" simply because of the fact that they held to views supporting a lot with astrology (seen as a science..from studying dreams to constellations, etc.) - including others such as Daniel (Daniel 2:27-28) and the Wisemen (more in MYSTAGOGY: The Magi and the Star: An Orthodox Understanding ...even though the Lord did note that people were not to look to the stars rather than Him, per Jeremiah 10:2-3 and Deuteronomy 4:19 and Acts 7:42-43) - and likewise, there's no reason to do the same with the Early Church or world before the era where Science sought to disprove God alongside all other forms of spiritual/supernatural thought.


As C.S Lewis said, "Men became scientific because they expected law in nature and they expected law in nature because they believed in a lawgiver." Galileo (1564-1642), Kelper (1571-1630), Pascal (1623-1662), Boyle (1627-1691), Newton (1642-1727), Faraday (1791-1867), Babbage (1792-1871), Mendel (1822-1884), Pasteur (1822-1895), Kelvin (1824-1907), and Clerk-Maxwell (1831-1879) were all theists, most of them Christians. Their belief in God, far from being a hindrance to their science, was often the main inspiration for it....for as Johannes Kepler wrote, "The chief aim of all investigations of the external world should be to discover the rational order which has been imposed on it by God, and which he revealed to us in the language of mathematics. " ( Astronomia Nova De Motibus ). The Scientific Revolution was based in Christ - most of the great minds behind it (i.e. Newton, for example) were Christians/believers in God who looked for Divine Laws in nature since they believed in a Divine Law Maker/a Messiah who held it all together. But once the Enlightenment begun, man began to try recognizing the works of God without God (i.e. Methodological Naturalism )and trusted in themselves...with ALOT of advancements being used wrongly.

And that's what led to a lot of problems - not the accuracy of view but the hearts behind it. Some people actually feel that one can believe in what came after the Medieval and Early Church times with simple views in science - and yet not believe the same dynamics they did. It'd not take believing the Earth is Flat in order to believe that what we experience with one another horizontally is truly impactful - that we still look up at the stars and the sun when it rises and when it sets.....and it still keeps us grounded in how much we have to be thankful for.

I am glad for the enumeration on the creatures of the zodiac that St. John of Damascus was not fearful of in his text, “On the Orthodox Faith.” (here and here) - as he noted in The Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, Book II, Chap. Vii:

"Now the Greeks (the pagans) declare that all our affairs are controlled by the rising and setting and collision of the stars, the sun and moon (and the signs of the zodiac); for it is with these matters that astrology has to do. But we hold that we get from them signs of rain and drought, cold and heat, moisture and dryness, and of various winds, and so forth, but no sign whatsoever as to our actions. For we have been created with free will by our Creator and we are masters over our own actions. Indeed, if all our actions depend on the course of the stars, all we do is done out of necessity (fate, in other words); and necessity precludes either virtue or vice. But if we possess neither virtue nor vice, we deserve neither praise nor punishment, and God too, will turn out to be unjust, since He gives good things to some land afflicts others. In fact, He will no longer guide or provide for His own creatures, if all things are carried and swept along in the grip of necessity. And the faculty of reason will be superfluous for us, for if we are not masters of any of our actions, deliberation is quite superfluous. Reason, indeed, is granted to us solely that we might take counsel, and therefore all reason implies freedom of will."





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I'm dubious about the concept of an near-invisible binary partner to the Sun.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but it just seems very unlikely that even a brown dwarf would have so little affect on the Solar system that we couldn't even detect its presence.

I disagree with the article Most of The Time The Earth Is Flat. I don't think a more detailed awareness of the universe is what reduces a person's sense of wonder.

I think that both truth and knowledge are inherently valuable and any philosophy that hand waves away their value is suspect.

Christian astronomers I've met were very knowledgeable about the details of modern astrophysics, and it made them more impressed with the universe they saw their god behind.
 
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth....

Also lots of verses about the heavens.
Isa.51-16 plant the heavens.
Job 38-31 Can thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion?
Even the angels are called " stars" including Jesus who is called the Morning Star.
 
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Shalom :)

Studying the heavens can help one to truly appreciate how much God is a God of order and values His creation :) For anyone who is interested, I found this rather fascinating presentation on a Binary Star System and thought it gave a lot of good food for thought (more at BinaryResearch). It's called
The Great Year (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ZDcj0kF_0 ) ... a fascinating documentary film which explores the possibility that our Sun moves around a companion star and displays all the characteristics of this binary motion.


tattoine.jpg


main-qimg-386223de35e77db51e6d5ebf6e8f2fe3-c

The documentary re-introduces an idea presented thousands of years ago in Plato’s Timaeus and then again in The Holy Science by Sri Yukteswar, that a great 24,000-year astronomical cycle, including the precession of the equinox, may result from the relationship of our sun to a distant binary partner.

It's Fascinating to consider when looking at the stars and considering how our own world may be one. Binary Solar Systems are a very intriguing concept and one of the reasons I enjoy seeing the history of differing cultures/religions is because they way they interpreted our solar system and galaxy intrigue me, especially when seeing how many Indigenous cultures (as an example) took a lot of time to map out stars before science evolved/built on their work. I appreciate how ancient cultures studied and documented astronomy - and I find it wild when seeing how much science seems to have caught up with what ancient religions already knew.

But even with this being the case, we often see only SECULAR voices involved in the world of science rather than voices from the religious world.

As I've said elsewhere, After watching a documentary on one of the planets of the Solar System, was thinking on all the way others have been such a blessing who work in the world of Astronomy & Astrophysics every time I watch the Discovery Channel or things in documentaries about the solar system.

And yet when I was studying the matter recently, it occurred to me that it often seems those involved in studying the heavens seem to be atheist or agnostics. It seems to be across the wall many times, even though I am aware of Christians in various fields of science. That said, I was wondering if anyone here was aware of others in differing religions involved in those fields and other fields of science.

Forgot to share this earlier. But regarding science, there are still a lot of places discussing the issue.

In example, as noted in Binary Companion Theory - Introduction | Binary Research Institute:

A binary system is two stars gravitationally bound orbiting a common center of mass. The stars can be of the same or differing sizes and orbits can be as short as a few days or as long as thousands of years. The short ones are easy to detect, the long ones difficult, some probably impossible to detect because of the very long observation period required.

While there is no obvious visible companion star to our Sun, there could be a dark binary, such as a brown dwarf or possibly a relatively small black hole, either of which might be very difficult to detect, without accurate and lengthy analysis.

There is also the possibility that our sun might be in a binary or complex gravitational relationship with one of several nearby “visible” stars. This scenario may require thinking beyond standard Newtonian dynamics to embrace MOND or MOG or some similar theory (that suggests that the constant of G might be stronger between stellar objects than between planetary objects within the solar system). There could be many types of unknown and unidentified masses that might cause our solar system to curve through space, including the local stellar cluster and even the galactic center to some small degree, each producing some small effect within the total precession observable. Consequently, at this point our work is primarily focused on understanding the precession observable and its nuances as the likely signature of our solar system’s angular velocity around some common center of mass. We believe that this approach of analyzing the precession observable (the sun’s motion relative to the fixed stars as seen from earth) will provide valuable and helpful data regarding the sun’s most likely stellar companion (if one exists).


In summary, beyond direct detection – one way to determine if we are in a binary or multiple star system is to see if the Sun is curving through space. To us on Earth that means we should experience a gradual “changing orientation to inertial space.” Such a phenomenon is observed as the precession of the equinox.


More can be noted in "Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider" (Is the Sun Part of a Binary Star System? - Six Reasons to Consider -- Sott.net )


Also, According to one review:

Scientists speculated that Nemesis (a theoretical dwarf star thought to be a companion to our sun) may affect the Oort cloud, which is made up of icy rocks surrounding the sun beyond the range of Pluto. Many of these chunks travel around the sun in a long-term, elliptical orbit. As they draw closer to the star, their ice begins to melt and stream behind them, making them recognizable as comets.

If Nemesis traveled through the Oort cloud every 27 million years, some argue, it could kick extra comets out of the sphere and send them hurling toward the inner solar system — and Earth. Impact rates would increase, and mass extinctions would be more common.

The Kuiper Belt, a disk of debris that lies inside of the solar system, also has a well-defined outer edge that could be sheared off by a companion star. Researchers have found other systems where a companion star seems to have affected the shape of the debris disks.

The dwarf planet Sedna lends further credence in the eyes of some to the existence of a companion star for the sun. With an orbit of up to 12,000 years, the planet presents a puzzle to many. Scientists have suggested that a massive object such as a dim star could be responsible for keeping Sedna so far from the sun.

Scientists speculated that Nemesis may affect the Oort cloud, which is made up of icy rocks surrounding the sun beyond the range of Pluto. Many of these chunks travel around the sun in a long-term, elliptical orbit. As they draw closer to the star, their ice begins to melt and stream behind them, making them recognizable as comets. If Nemesis traveled through the Oort cloud every 27 million years, some argue, it could kick extra comets out of the sphere and send them hurling toward the inner solar system — and Earth. Impact rates would increase, and mass extinctions would be more common. The Kuiper Belt, a disk of debris that lies inside of the solar system, also has a well-defined outer edge that could be sheared off by a companion star. Researchers have found other systems where a companion star seems to have affected the shape of the debris disks. The dwarf planet Sedna lends further credence in the eyes of some to the existence of a companion star for the sun. With an orbit of up to 12,000 years, the planet presents a puzzle to many. Scientists have suggested that a massive object such as a dim star could be responsible for keeping Sedna so far from the sun.
 
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I'm dubious about the concept of an near-invisible binary partner to the Sun.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but it just seems very unlikely that even a brown dwarf would have so little affect on the Solar system that we couldn't even detect its presence.
Recent studies have brought the idea back into discussion again when seeing Stars being born in pairs, more in Where Is Our Sun's Twin? - The Atlantic

As noted there:

In the 1980s, some astronomers started batting around the idea that the sun had a long-lost twin, circling undetected in the edges of the solar system. They suggested that the existence of a companion star to our own might explain some cataclysmic events on Earth, like the mass extinction of the dinosaurs. Perhaps the orbit of this star, they said, was capable of disrupting the Oort cloud, a massive region of icy objects beyond Neptune’s orbit. Its gravitational forces could dislodge comets and send them hurtling toward Earth. The astronomers named the hypothetical star Nemesis, after the Greek goddess of retribution.

Today, the theory of Nemesis, of an evil twin lurking in the night sky and messing with comets, has fallen out of circulation. The companion star has never been found. But that doesn’t mean it never existed.

Most sun-like stars in the universe—stars with masses similar to our own—exist in pairs. Astronomers don’t yet understand exactly how these pairs, known as binaries, form. But as they dig deeper into the mysteries of star formation, they’re finding some clues. The latest is a new study of a distant cluster of young stars in the Milky Way that suggests nearly all sun-like stars are born in pairs, bolstering the claim that our sun has a twin.
I disagree with the article Most of The Time The Earth Is Flat. I don't think a more detailed awareness of the universe is what reduces a person's sense of wonder.
I didn't see that as the emphasis, as the focus was on Mystery. If seeking to have a more detailed awareness is done with the intent that EVERYTHING has to be explained instead of realizing that some things really are simple, that's when you lose a sense of wonder. Even from the perspective of a Panentheist like Neil Tyson who notes that the universe gives him meaning/purpose when seeing a precise order to it all, there's a level of understanding the world doesn't have make perfect sense at all points to still be in awe.
I think that both truth and knowledge are inherently valuable and any philosophy that hand waves away their value is suspect.
I agree..

Christian astronomers I've met were very knowledgeable about the details of modern astrophysics, and it made them more impressed with the universe they saw their god behind.
I have as well. I've been exposed to it many times before. I say the same thing about HOPI Indians when it comes to the Great Cycle and other cultures who were by no means 'primative' when it came to their desire to know details and yet still value not knowing all things. More on that can be seen in
History and Celestial Time | Binary Research Institute
 
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Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth....

Also lots of verses about the heavens.
Isa.51-16 plant the heavens.
Job 38-31 Can thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion?
Even the angels are called " stars" including Jesus who is called the Morning Star.
Good verses to keep in mind :)
 
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