@SkyWriting
Listen, we can judge righteously, other people can see the logic behind it, other people can read in context and see that certain judgement is allowed and certain judgement is not allowed, we can judge righteously but we cannot judge unrighteous. The other people on this forum can see the lack of logic used in saying we cannot make any judgements because everyone on this forum including the people arguing against it use judgements all the time. Without using the bible at all and just using the laws of logic alone any of us can prove you have to make judgements. The bible is not even needed to know such common sense logic.
God is not illogical, it is illogical and absurd to say we cannot make any form of judgements and you can go believe that if you want but you will be a walking contradiction and hypocrite like I have pointed out many times, you just go on to other bible verses because you cannot handle logic and that fact you are forced to make judgements.
Others have clearly seen it (majority does not equal truth but it shows I am not the only one who sees the lack of logic being used in saying we cannot make any forms of judgement in life), so for you not to see it you are being ignorant and illogical on purpose. If I seen you in real life I would literally watch your every move and prove you to be a hypocrite and call you out on each judgement you make during your day, I already know you are a hypocrite because you already made judgements multiple times proving yourself wrong, so you can list and twist bible verses all day long but the fact is you are a hypocrite who has made judgements on peoples answers, you made judgments on me in past post, you have made judgements about other things proving you cannot live that belief out.
I will say, there are some verses that are more unclear and we as Christians have to come together to understand them, and we won't agree on everything, but some of those verses are
super clear!
Alot of those verses are showing us how not to judge and is showing us we can in fact judge and is simply telling us not to be a hypocrite when we judge others and do not judge others based on looks alone or in unrighteousness but to judge with righteousness. Those verses are
clear not iffy or hard to understand. You are simply unwilling to be wrong and unwilling to accept that we can make some forms of judgement.
The bible is meant to be read in context and as a whole, not verse for verse, we are meant to look at other verses, we are meant to read the entire passage and understand the bible as a whole. The bible cannot have two contradictory ideas, the bible is the word of God, it is true and accurate and in context there cannot be both statements saying "we cannot make any judgements" but somewhere else say "we can make judgements or imply it"
We have to look at all the verses, we have to read the entire bible or chapters to get the context, and the bible cannot hold two opposite views on judgement, either we can or we cannot. There is no both. Anyone who seriously is unbias and willing to be wrong or right and reads the bible can see the bible is against hypocritical judgment, judging according to appearance but also states we can make some forms of judgement.
Anything else is illogical, even without the bible it is ILLOGICAL to say we cannot make judgements of any kind or any form or that we cannot make a judgement about someone period. That is illogical and we do not need a bible to prove someone to be a hypocrite by pointing their hypocrisy out in real life when they make a judgement and say "see, you are being a hypocrite and just made a judgement, thought we couldn't judge yet you just"
I could list millions of judgements you have to make on both people and objects and things in life in order just to function, to say we cannot judge period is simply
ABSURD AND ILLOGICAL, let me list a few.
- People judge others who enter their home or who knock on their door, no logical person is going to let a rapist in their home to watch their children or let a crazy person enter their home, because they made a judgement call not to let them in based on their character and actions
- When you fill an application out you are going to be JUDGED if you are right for the job
- When police officers catch criminals they are going to be JUDGED by a JUDGE and that cop made judgements on the persons character and actions to take them in and call them a criminal
- When someone sees someone getting jumped and helps, they did so because they made a judgement on the other persons actions that they were jumping someone and doing something which is WRONG, which is why they helped because they made a judgement
- When you go to the store you make judgements, if you thought everyone there was going to murder you you would NOT walk into Walmart and trust the people in there because you JUDGED them and the store
Your position is
ILLOGICAL TO THE MAX, people are
FORCED to make judgements about people and about life and other things just to
FUNCTION. Give up your absurd position, it will not stand, it cannot stand, it is not logical, and it is a contradiction to everything we know about reality and it cannot be lived out and you will be a walking contradiction/hypocrite trying to live that belief out because you will NOT be able to live it out as I have proven many times over and over you have already made judgements on our answers and people already in other post.
Now lets go down some of the verses you gave me to prove what they say in context
John 7:24
24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
[It is clearly teaching us how not to judge someone, it is telling us that we should not judge someone just because they look a certain way because we can make a mistake about them and slander them or accuse them of something with no proof or evidence of an action proving them to have committed based on looks alone. So if I see a man wearing a pink shirt I cannot just assume he is a homosexual or if I see a person with a knife in their hand I cannot just call him a murderer and assume he is out to murder people] It cannot get any clearer than that, it is teaching us how not to judge someone
It literally even tells us afterwards to "judge with righteous judgement" Like I said, judging is logical, it is not ILLOGICAL, making no judgements is ILLOGICAL both with and without the bible it simply is lacking normal intelligence "stupid", the idea is stupid, not the person but the idea is.
1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For
the Lord does not
see as man sees;a for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
[Once again, its simply showing not to judge according to how someone looks, it is no different then the other verse simply showing us not to judge a book by its cover when we have no proof of their actions to prove out claims, you cannot call a cop a bad cop based on looks, you need observable evidences and proof of this and cannot just go out making judgements based on the looks of someone]
You must be willingly ignorant if you cannot see this
I am going to skip over the other verses that literally just say the same thing about not judging people based on their looks because I already responded to two which say the same thing so listed the other one saying the same exact thing is a waist of space because its saying the same thing
Proverbs 31:9
9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, And plead the cause of the poor and needy.
[Once again telling us to judge righteously and the other verses are simply teaching us how NOT to judge other people so we can do it properly]
IDK why you would list those verses that go against your argument and only prove you can judge
Once again for the 100th time, this next verses is being taking out of context, it is talking about hypocritical judgement and is teaching us how not to judge and states/implies we can judge others after we stop being hypocrites ourselves, other people on this forum can see it clearly so why you cannot is beyond me.
Matthew 7 (read in context please)
Do Not Judge
7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank
is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
[It is clearly saying we cannot judge in a hypocritical way, if you are a hypocrite you have no right to judge because you area hypocrite, it even tells you to take the plank out of your own eye then you will see clearly to take the plank (sin) out of your brothers eye]
It literally cannot get any more clearer than that! It literally says the word hypocrite showing its talking about hypocrites, and it literally shows us that we can take the plank (sin) from our own eye/life to see clearly and NOT be a hypocrite so we can then judge righteously and take the plank (sin) our of our brothers eye/life.
If you cannot see this you are purposely being ignorant.
I will even go more in depth.
Question: What is the consequence of judging according to that verse?
Answer: You get judged by the same judgement you use, well if you are not a hypocrite then there is no problem because you will not be guilty of the same thing
Question: Does it state or imply we can remove that plank (sin) from our own eye?
Answer: Yes it does, it clearly tells us to remove the plank from our own eyes first, God does not command the impossible, he commands the possible.
Question: Does it state we can take the plank (sin) out of our brothers eye?
Answer: Yes it does, it states we have to stop being hypocrites and take the sin out of our life first though before we can teach others how to live holy and help them over come their sin.
Bottom line: There is no way to twist this verse, it says what it say, we CAN judge and we CAN help others get sin out of their life, we cannot wash away their sins but we can help others through our lord Jesus Christ to help them get on the right track and show them how we took the plank out of or own eye to help them take the plank out of theirs.
My Testimony is proof: I can help a drunk or a pot smoker or a inappropriate content watcher, ect out, I can help them take the plank out of their own eyes because I "used" to be those things and I no longer do them, so I can help them because I am not being a hypocrite living with the same plank in my eye as they do. Other Christians on here can do the same, they can help others with sin and they have their own testimony as proof
Leviticus 19:15
15 ‘You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.
[Once again tells us and shows us and implies we can judge righteously and not by appearances or looks]
Point blank we can make righteous judgments and the bible is against unrighteous judgments
There are a multitude of verses that tell us we can judge, that imply we can judge and teach us how not to judge. To go against this is to try to make all the verses contradict each other. To against this is to be illogical because without the bible and with it it is still illogical to say we cannot make judgements.
Anyone who claims this will be exposed for their walking contradiction life style and will be proven a hypocrite when they perform day to day actions making judgements on both people and in life just to function.
There were other verses on that list and they are all saying the same thing "not to judge according to appearance"
Lets go over one last time how illogical it is to tell another human on this planet they cannot make judgements period on people or in life.
- When driving you make judgements, both on other peoples actions on how they drive which will determine how you are driving on the road with them
- When you file a report on someone who is a unjust police officer who is doing their job wrongly you are making a judgement on them when you file a report saying they are unjust or unfit to do their job
- When someone is stabbing you to death you stop them and do not allow them to keep stabbing you (well most people who have common sense), because you judged them that they are going to murder you and they are obviously in the act of doing such
- When a police officer pulls up to a crime and ask people what they seen, those people are making judgements on what they seen based on observable actions of other people, that is LOGICAL not illogical.
Saying we cannot judge is ILLOGICAL on all levels and is absurd and cannot be lived out
- When someone tries to commit a crime and you attempt to stop them you are doing so because you made a judgement on their actions, that they are wrong and need to be stopped
Us as THINKING LOGICAL humans made in the image of God make judgements!!!
This is crazy, the fact I am even arguing about it is absurd, it is more absurd then someone who thinks the Easter Bunny is real. We make judgements in order to function and live.
Adam and Eve had to make judgements, Moses had to, we all have to, Jesus is a JUDGING GOD, and we are made in God's image, now we do not have the power to cast into hell or to judge on that level but we are made in his Imagine and like wise make JUDGMENTS in life.
Our creator simply shows us how NOT to judge people wrongly.
I will not talk about this absurdity any longer.
If anyone wants to believe in this non sense that they cannot judge period in any circumstance than you go on living in your la la land and be a walking contradiction hypocrite who does the very thing in order just to function saying we cannot do.
As for me, I will keep judging righteously, I will keep judging people who enter my home making sure they are fit to enter around my family, I am going to keep making judgments on people who's actions proves they are not to be trusted with my money, I am going to keep making judgements on where my feet should not walk based on if I think someone's house is dangerous or if they are dangerous.
I am going to keep judging rightly, and I am going to stay avoiding unrighteous judgement
Anyone who wants to live in a lie of wanting to believe they cannot make any judgments, well they can go on ahead with that fairy tale and be a walking contradiction.
I am saying this out of love, you are being a walking contradiction and cannot live that belief out, just accept it is illogical.
I have been wrong many times and I have been a walking contraction before, there is nothing wrong with being wrong, and I am telling you although you have bible verses, you are not seeing the entire logical picture and are using them for IRRATIONAL illogical claims.
You make judgements all the time, stop being a walking contradiction.
I say it out of love, you may not like it, but its the truth, not because I said so, because it is logical and its the only way you can stay consistent with reality.
God bless, I am not spending any more time on it, you said what you have to say and I think you cannot live it out, matter of fact I know you cannot live it out and can't. Peace, I said what I needed to say, its perfectly logical and makes sense with reality and the bible, there is no contradiction and I can live out out consistently, giving credit to its truth. I have been told I was wrong many times, I may have no liked it but it was true, I am telling you, what you are saying is illogical and makes no sense in reality because everyone cannot live that belief out showing it is both impossible and illogical.