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Then why did Jesus tell us to? You totally missed the point of the first scripture you quoted. Read it again. Jews and Greeks are all alike under sin. We are all under sin. None are righteous. Believers however are righteous in Christ. Not in our own righteousness but the righteousness of Christ in us.

The unbeliever is judged already. Not by us. But by God. We however can see sin in our fellow believer. We can see sin in ourselves. We can make judgements on false teaching and doctrine. So yes I am qualified as long as I self judge myself first and check my heart and motives.

You have done what is common and that is only take portions of scripture and take them without taking all. Matthew is a prime example. What did Jesus say? First take the beam out of your eye them you can help your brother. He was speaking of hypocrisy as I stated. Check yourself first. He wasn't saying that under no circumstances are you to note fault in others.

And yes we are to defend the needy and afflicted. No one is arguing that.

Righteous judging is limited to it definition.

9 -Open your mouth,
-judge righteously,
-And defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.

This the definition.

Isaiah 11:3 And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear; 4But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decidewith fairness for the afflicted of the earth;

Three parts together again.

Proverbs 29:7The righteous is concerned for the rights of the poor, The wicked does not understand such concern.

righteous judging regarding --> the poor
righteous judging regarding --> the afflicted
righteous judging regarding --> the orphans, widows, oppressed, strangers

3Thus says the LORD, "Do justice and righteousness,and deliver the one who has been robbedfrom the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.


Righteous judging is not anything you want it to be.
It is about defending the oppressed.

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First take the beam out of your eye them you can help your brother. He was speaking of hypocrisy as I stated. Check yourself first. He wasn't saying that under no circumstances are you to note fault in others.

Yes, pretty much. Helping others
with the speck that is blurring their vision
is not the action you are describing.
Quite different.
 
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Yes, pretty much. Helping others
with the speck that is blurring their vision
is not the action you are describing.
Quite different.

Please re-read my post. Here is a direct quote.
What we are warned against is hypocrisy and self righteousness. Don't judge other people while doing the same thing. Don't think of ourselves as better than others. Don't forget to examine ourselves. Make sure we are right with God before trying to help someone else.

It is not talking about blurred vision. It is talking about hypocrisy in Matthew. Seeing the fault in someone else while ignoring your own.

“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 sFor with the judgment you pronounce youwill be judged, and twith the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why doyou see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but udo not notice the log that is in yourown eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your owneye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

6 v“Do not give wdogs what is holy, and do not throw your xpearls before pigs, lest theytrample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

We first take the log out of ours then help our brother with theirs.

Jesus also said:
If your brother sins against you, ngo and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have ogained your brother. pby the evidence of two or three witnesses. qtell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, rlet him be to you as sa Gentile and sa tax collector.

We have the right to judge our brothers in the right way, using the right method. The methodology is what is crucial not the act of seeing sin in others.

II Thess 3; 14-15 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and fhave nothing to do with him, thathe may be ashamed. 15 gDo not regard him as an enemy, but hwarn him as a brother.

I Corinthians 5 talks about judging people in the church.

There is a way to accomplish speaking with a brother who is sinning. Again this has nothing to do with people OUTSIDE the church but those inside.
 
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Listen, we can judge righteously, other people can see the logic behind it, other people can read in context and see that certain judgement is allowed and certain judgement is not allowed, we can judge righteously but we cannot judge unrighteous. The other people on this forum can see the lack of logic used in saying we cannot make any judgements because everyone on this forum including the people arguing against it use judgements all the time. Without using the bible at all and just using the laws of logic alone any of us can prove you have to make judgements. The bible is not even needed to know such common sense logic.

God is not illogical, it is illogical and absurd to say we cannot make any form of judgements and you can go believe that if you want but you will be a walking contradiction and hypocrite like I have pointed out many times, you just go on to other bible verses because you cannot handle logic and that fact you are forced to make judgements.

Others have clearly seen it (majority does not equal truth but it shows I am not the only one who sees the lack of logic being used in saying we cannot make any forms of judgement in life), so for you not to see it you are being ignorant and illogical on purpose. If I seen you in real life I would literally watch your every move and prove you to be a hypocrite and call you out on each judgement you make during your day, I already know you are a hypocrite because you already made judgements multiple times proving yourself wrong, so you can list and twist bible verses all day long but the fact is you are a hypocrite who has made judgements on peoples answers, you made judgments on me in past post, you have made judgements about other things proving you cannot live that belief out.

I will say, there are some verses that are more unclear and we as Christians have to come together to understand them, and we won't agree on everything, but some of those verses are super clear!

Alot of those verses are showing us how not to judge and is showing us we can in fact judge and is simply telling us not to be a hypocrite when we judge others and do not judge others based on looks alone or in unrighteousness but to judge with righteousness. Those verses are clear not iffy or hard to understand. You are simply unwilling to be wrong and unwilling to accept that we can make some forms of judgement.

The bible is meant to be read in context and as a whole, not verse for verse, we are meant to look at other verses, we are meant to read the entire passage and understand the bible as a whole. The bible cannot have two contradictory ideas, the bible is the word of God, it is true and accurate and in context there cannot be both statements saying "we cannot make any judgements" but somewhere else say "we can make judgements or imply it"

We have to look at all the verses, we have to read the entire bible or chapters to get the context, and the bible cannot hold two opposite views on judgement, either we can or we cannot. There is no both. Anyone who seriously is unbias and willing to be wrong or right and reads the bible can see the bible is against hypocritical judgment, judging according to appearance but also states we can make some forms of judgement.

Anything else is illogical, even without the bible it is ILLOGICAL to say we cannot make judgements of any kind or any form or that we cannot make a judgement about someone period. That is illogical and we do not need a bible to prove someone to be a hypocrite by pointing their hypocrisy out in real life when they make a judgement and say "see, you are being a hypocrite and just made a judgement, thought we couldn't judge yet you just"

I could list millions of judgements you have to make on both people and objects and things in life in order just to function, to say we cannot judge period is simply ABSURD AND ILLOGICAL, let me list a few.

- People judge others who enter their home or who knock on their door, no logical person is going to let a rapist in their home to watch their children or let a crazy person enter their home, because they made a judgement call not to let them in based on their character and actions

- When you fill an application out you are going to be JUDGED if you are right for the job

- When police officers catch criminals they are going to be JUDGED by a JUDGE and that cop made judgements on the persons character and actions to take them in and call them a criminal

- When someone sees someone getting jumped and helps, they did so because they made a judgement on the other persons actions that they were jumping someone and doing something which is WRONG, which is why they helped because they made a judgement

- When you go to the store you make judgements, if you thought everyone there was going to murder you you would NOT walk into Walmart and trust the people in there because you JUDGED them and the store

Your position is ILLOGICAL TO THE MAX, people are FORCED to make judgements about people and about life and other things just to FUNCTION. Give up your absurd position, it will not stand, it cannot stand, it is not logical, and it is a contradiction to everything we know about reality and it cannot be lived out and you will be a walking contradiction/hypocrite trying to live that belief out because you will NOT be able to live it out as I have proven many times over and over you have already made judgements on our answers and people already in other post.

Now lets go down some of the verses you gave me to prove what they say in context

John 7:24
24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

[It is clearly teaching us how not to judge someone, it is telling us that we should not judge someone just because they look a certain way because we can make a mistake about them and slander them or accuse them of something with no proof or evidence of an action proving them to have committed based on looks alone. So if I see a man wearing a pink shirt I cannot just assume he is a homosexual or if I see a person with a knife in their hand I cannot just call him a murderer and assume he is out to murder people] It cannot get any clearer than that, it is teaching us how not to judge someone

It literally even tells us afterwards to "judge with righteous judgement" Like I said, judging is logical, it is not ILLOGICAL, making no judgements is ILLOGICAL both with and without the bible it simply is lacking normal intelligence "stupid", the idea is stupid, not the person but the idea is.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees;a for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

[Once again, its simply showing not to judge according to how someone looks, it is no different then the other verse simply showing us not to judge a book by its cover when we have no proof of their actions to prove out claims, you cannot call a cop a bad cop based on looks, you need observable evidences and proof of this and cannot just go out making judgements based on the looks of someone]

You must be willingly ignorant if you cannot see this

I am going to skip over the other verses that literally just say the same thing about not judging people based on their looks because I already responded to two which say the same thing so listed the other one saying the same exact thing is a waist of space because its saying the same thing

Proverbs 31:9
9 Open your mouth, judge righteously, And plead the cause of the poor and needy.

[Once again telling us to judge righteously and the other verses are simply teaching us how NOT to judge other people so we can do it properly]

IDK why you would list those verses that go against your argument and only prove you can judge

Once again for the 100th time, this next verses is being taking out of context, it is talking about hypocritical judgement and is teaching us how not to judge and states/implies we can judge others after we stop being hypocrites ourselves, other people on this forum can see it clearly so why you cannot is beyond me.

Matthew 7 (read in context please)
Do Not Judge
7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

[It is clearly saying we cannot judge in a hypocritical way, if you are a hypocrite you have no right to judge because you area hypocrite, it even tells you to take the plank out of your own eye then you will see clearly to take the plank (sin) out of your brothers eye]

It literally cannot get any more clearer than that! It literally says the word hypocrite showing its talking about hypocrites, and it literally shows us that we can take the plank (sin) from our own eye/life to see clearly and NOT be a hypocrite so we can then judge righteously and take the plank (sin) our of our brothers eye/life.

If you cannot see this you are purposely being ignorant.

I will even go more in depth.

Question: What is the consequence of judging according to that verse?

Answer: You get judged by the same judgement you use, well if you are not a hypocrite then there is no problem because you will not be guilty of the same thing

Question: Does it state or imply we can remove that plank (sin) from our own eye?

Answer: Yes it does, it clearly tells us to remove the plank from our own eyes first, God does not command the impossible, he commands the possible.

Question: Does it state we can take the plank (sin) out of our brothers eye?

Answer: Yes it does, it states we have to stop being hypocrites and take the sin out of our life first though before we can teach others how to live holy and help them over come their sin.


Bottom line: There is no way to twist this verse, it says what it say, we CAN judge and we CAN help others get sin out of their life, we cannot wash away their sins but we can help others through our lord Jesus Christ to help them get on the right track and show them how we took the plank out of or own eye to help them take the plank out of theirs.

My Testimony is proof:
I can help a drunk or a pot smoker or a inappropriate content watcher, ect out, I can help them take the plank out of their own eyes because I "used" to be those things and I no longer do them, so I can help them because I am not being a hypocrite living with the same plank in my eye as they do. Other Christians on here can do the same, they can help others with sin and they have their own testimony as proof

Leviticus 19:15
15 ‘You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.

[Once again tells us and shows us and implies we can judge righteously and not by appearances or looks]

Point blank we can make righteous judgments and the bible is against unrighteous judgments

There are a multitude of verses that tell us we can judge, that imply we can judge and teach us how not to judge. To go against this is to try to make all the verses contradict each other. To against this is to be illogical because without the bible and with it it is still illogical to say we cannot make judgements.

Anyone who claims this will be exposed for their walking contradiction life style and will be proven a hypocrite when they perform day to day actions making judgements on both people and in life just to function.

There were other verses on that list and they are all saying the same thing "not to judge according to appearance"

Lets go over one last time how illogical it is to tell another human on this planet they cannot make judgements period on people or in life.


- When driving you make judgements, both on other peoples actions on how they drive which will determine how you are driving on the road with them

- When you file a report on someone who is a unjust police officer who is doing their job wrongly you are making a judgement on them when you file a report saying they are unjust or unfit to do their job

- When someone is stabbing you to death you stop them and do not allow them to keep stabbing you (well most people who have common sense), because you judged them that they are going to murder you and they are obviously in the act of doing such

- When a police officer pulls up to a crime and ask people what they seen, those people are making judgements on what they seen based on observable actions of other people, that is LOGICAL not illogical.

Saying we cannot judge is ILLOGICAL on all levels and is absurd and cannot be lived out


- When someone tries to commit a crime and you attempt to stop them you are doing so because you made a judgement on their actions, that they are wrong and need to be stopped

Us as THINKING LOGICAL humans made in the image of God make judgements!!!

This is crazy, the fact I am even arguing about it is absurd, it is more absurd then someone who thinks the Easter Bunny is real. We make judgements in order to function and live.

Adam and Eve had to make judgements, Moses had to, we all have to, Jesus is a JUDGING GOD, and we are made in God's image, now we do not have the power to cast into hell or to judge on that level but we are made in his Imagine and like wise make JUDGMENTS in life.

Our creator simply shows us how NOT to judge people wrongly.

I will not talk about this absurdity any longer.

If anyone wants to believe in this non sense that they cannot judge period in any circumstance than you go on living in your la la land and be a walking contradiction hypocrite who does the very thing in order just to function saying we cannot do.

As for me, I will keep judging righteously, I will keep judging people who enter my home making sure they are fit to enter around my family, I am going to keep making judgments on people who's actions proves they are not to be trusted with my money, I am going to keep making judgements on where my feet should not walk based on if I think someone's house is dangerous or if they are dangerous.

I am going to keep judging rightly, and I am going to stay avoiding unrighteous judgement

Anyone who wants to live in a lie of wanting to believe they cannot make any judgments, well they can go on ahead with that fairy tale and be a walking contradiction.

I am saying this out of love, you are being a walking contradiction and cannot live that belief out, just accept it is illogical.

I have been wrong many times and I have been a walking contraction before, there is nothing wrong with being wrong, and I am telling you although you have bible verses, you are not seeing the entire logical picture and are using them for IRRATIONAL illogical claims.

You make judgements all the time, stop being a walking contradiction.

I say it out of love, you may not like it, but its the truth, not because I said so, because it is logical and its the only way you can stay consistent with reality.

God bless, I am not spending any more time on it, you said what you have to say and I think you cannot live it out, matter of fact I know you cannot live it out and can't. Peace, I said what I needed to say, its perfectly logical and makes sense with reality and the bible, there is no contradiction and I can live out out consistently, giving credit to its truth. I have been told I was wrong many times, I may have no liked it but it was true, I am telling you, what you are saying is illogical and makes no sense in reality because everyone cannot live that belief out showing it is both impossible and illogical.
 
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Please re-read my post. Here is a direct quote.


It is not talking about blurred vision. It is talking about hypocrisy in Matthew. Seeing the fault in someone else while ignoring your own.

“Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 sFor with the judgment you pronounce youwill be judged, and twith the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why doyou see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but udo not notice the log that is in yourown eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your owneye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

6 v“Do not give wdogs what is holy, and do not throw your xpearls before pigs, lest theytrample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

We first take the log out of ours then help our brother with theirs.

Jesus also said:
If your brother sins against you, ngo and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have ogained your brother. pby the evidence of two or three witnesses. qtell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, rlet him be to you as sa Gentile and sa tax collector.

We have the right to judge our brothers in the right way, using the right method. The methodology is what is crucial not the act of seeing sin in others.

II Thess 3; 14-15 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and fhave nothing to do with him, thathe may be ashamed. 15 gDo not regard him as an enemy, but hwarn him as a brother.

I Corinthians 5 talks about judging people in the church.

There is a way to accomplish speaking with a brother who is sinning. Again this has nothing to do with people OUTSIDE the church but those inside.
Amen, Amen, it baffles me how many people and Christians cannot read in context that it is teaching us not to be hypocrites, I have never met a consistent person who has that stance becasue it is inconsistent and cannot be lived out.

I have helped so many people out with sin its not even funny, I talk to people all the time about the sins I used to engage in and tell them I used to be just like them doing the same things and I explain to them how I stopped being a pot smoker, inappropriate content watcher drunkard, ect.

That is righteous judgement, helping a fellow man or woman out so they can live a better life, it is loving to warn and to point out the obvious as long as we do it righteously.

I do not care what anyone else says, when I see a brother or sister in need of help, I am going to help them, when I see them in danger, I am going to warn them, when they are doing something wrong I am going to say it in a nice way and help them out. That is what us Christians do.

This new age of "accepting everyone and not warning them or telling them about their sins" is non sense. People just pat their brothers and sisters on the back and lie to their faces about their sin.

Well I'm a follower of Christ and I am going to warn, I am going to obey God, I am going to help take the plank out of my brothers and sisters eyes just as I taken it out of my long ago so they can do the same and then they can go out and take the planks out of more peoples eyes.

That is LOVE, love is wanting the greatest good for someone, I want the greatest good for someone even if it means telling them the truth and them not liking it.

It is HATE to lie to someone and tell them they are okay and its fine to be a pot smoker and rob banks.

I am going to keep making righteous judgements and avoid the unrighteous judgments our Lord has taught us how not to judge.

I am always self reflecting to make sure I am not being a hypocrite myself

Amen, I am glad to see someone else actually know he context of Mathew 7

Its probably the most misunderstood verse of all verses and it annoys me to no end when I hear the same verses misquoted or partially quoted without its context.

God bless
 
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Amen, Amen, it baffles me how many people and Christians cannot read in context that it is teaching us not to be hypocrites, I have never met a consistent person who has that stance becasue it is inconsistent and cannot be lived out.

I have helped so many people out with sin its not even funny, I talk to people all the time about the sins I used to engage in and tell them I used to be just like them doing the same things and I explain to them how I stopped being a pot smoker, inappropriate content watcher drunkard, ect.

That is righteous judgement, helping a fellow man or woman out so they can live a better life, it is loving to warn and to point out the obvious as long as we do it righteously.

I do not care what anyone else says, when I see a brother or sister in need of help, I am going to help them, when I see them in danger, I am going to warn them, when they are doing something wrong I am going to say it in a nice way and help them out. That is what us Christians do.

This new age of "accepting everyone and not warning them or telling them about their sins" is non sense. People just pat their brothers and sisters on the back and lie to their faces about their sin.

Well I'm a follower of Christ and I am going to warn, I am going to obey God, I am going to help take the plank out of my brothers and sisters eyes just as I taken it out of my long ago so they can do the same and then they can go out and take the planks out of more peoples eyes.

That is LOVE, love is wanting the greatest good for someone, I want the greatest good for someone even if it means telling them the truth and them not liking it.

It is HATE to lie to someone and tell them they are okay and its fine to be a pot smoker and rob banks.

I am going to keep making righteous judgements and avoid the unrighteous judgments our Lord has taught us how not to judge.

I am always self reflecting to make sure I am not being a hypocrite myself

Amen, I am glad to see someone else actually know he context of Mathew 7

Its probably the most misunderstood verse of all verses and it annoys me to no end when I hear the same verses misquoted or partially quoted without its context.

God bless

Yes I have had to have this conversation a couple times here recently. There are those who just don't understand the necessity of loving gentle non hypocritical correction of each other. It is not living in the least to watch a brother wreck his life just so we can say we we're not being judgmental. As Paul says we do it to try and restore people in gentleness with the attitude of being carefull because we too can fall into temptation.

I think sometimes folks just pick up a thesaurus and look up a word and then use the verse without reading the context and lining it up with the other scriptures that talk about the subject.
 
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Listen, we can judge righteously, other people can see the logic behind it, other people can read in context and see that certain judgement is allowed and certain judgement is not allowed, we can judge righteously but we cannot judge unrighteous.

You also fail to define "judge righteously" But I covered it.

Righteous judging is limited to it's definition.

9 -Open your mouth,
-judge righteously,
-And defend the rights of the afflicted and needy.
This the definition.

Isaiah 11:3 And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear; 4But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decidewith fairness for the afflicted of the earth;

Three parts together again.

Proverbs 29:7The righteous is concerned for the rights of the poor, The wicked does not understand such concern.

righteous judging regarding --> the poor
righteous judging regarding --> the afflicted
righteous judging regarding --> the orphans, widows, oppressed, strangers

3Thus says the LORD, "Do justice and righteousness,and deliver the one who has been robbedfrom the power of his oppressor. Also do not mistreat or do violence to the stranger, the orphan, or the widow; and do not shed innocent blood in this place.


Righteous judging is not anything you want it to be.
It is about defending the oppressed.

27 Bible verses about Judging Others


If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves (sinning for example) ,
we bring condemnation upon ourselves.

-We may not judge in matters of opinion.(Sin)
-We may not judge with insufficient knowledge. (Sin)
-We may not condemn the guiltless by neglecting mercy
-"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24)

So no cherry picked
Cross References


Leviticus 19:15
'You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly.

Deuteronomy 1:16
"Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, 'Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.

Isaiah 11:3
And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not judge by what His eyes see, Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;

Zechariah 7:9
"Thus has the LORD of hosts said, 'Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion each to his brother;

John 7:25
Then some of the people of Jerusalem began to say, "Isn't this the man they are trying to kill?

John 8:15
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.

2 Corinthians 10:7
You are looking at outward appearances. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should remind himself that we belong to Christ just as much as he does.

James 2:4
have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?


So Righteous judging is to defend the poor and weak in kindness.
John 8:15
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
 
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Amen, I am glad to see someone else actually know he context of Mathew 7

Its probably the most misunderstood verse of all verses and it annoys me to no end when I hear the same verses misquoted or partially quoted without its context.

Mathew 7 - Cross References

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. (Do not do it)

Luke 6:41
Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
(Do not do it)

John 8:7
When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, "Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her."
(Do not do it)

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
(Do not do it)

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
(Do not do it)

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
(Do not do it)

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
(Do not do it)

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge
(Do not do it)
 
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Mathew 7 - Cross References

Luke 6:37
Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. (Do not do it)

Luke 6:41
Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?
(Do not do it)

John 8:7
When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, "Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her."
(Do not do it)

Romans 2:1
You therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgment on another. For on whatever grounds you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
(Do not do it)

Romans 14:10
Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
(Do not do it)

Romans 14:13
Therefore let us stop judging one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.
(Do not do it)

1 Corinthians 4:5
Therefore judge nothing before the proper time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.
(Do not do it)

James 4:11
Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the Law and judges it. And if you judge the Law, you are not a practitioner of the Law, but a judge
(Do not do it)

Is it your contention that Jesus contradicts himself? What about James? How about Paul? Are they all contradicting themselves? Or perhaps is there something you are missing?

My brothers and sisters, if any of you wander from the truth and someone turns back the wanderer,recognize that whoever brings a sinner back from the wrong path will save them from death and will bring about the forgiveness of many sins. - James 5:19-20 Bible Gateway passage: James 5:19-20 - Common English Bible
How do you turn back the wanderer? You first have to recognize they are wandering do you not? That is judging so James says that's good. Do it.

You deceive yourself! First take the log out of your eye, and then you’ll see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother’s or sister’s eye. - Matthew 7:5 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:5 - Common English Bible

Jesus says take out the log out if your eye then you can help take the sliver out of your brothers eye. You can't do that if you don't see the sliver first. He didn't say don't see the sliver. He said notice both. Do it.

“If your brother or sister sins against you, go and correct them when you are alone together. If they listen to you, then you’ve won over your brother or sister.But if they won’t listen, take with you one or two others so that every word may be established by the mouth of two or three witnesses.But if they still won’t pay attention, report it to the church. If they won’t pay attention even to the church, treat them as you would a Gentile and tax collector. - Matthew 18:15-17 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:15-17 - Common English Bible

You can't know your brother has sinned unless you see it. You can't treat them as a tax collector until they do not repent from sin you have spoken with them about. Do it.

Brothers and sisters, if a person is caught doing something wrong, you who are spiritual should restore someone like this with a spirit of gentleness. Watch out for yourselves so you won’t be tempted too. - Galatians 6:1 Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 6:1 - Common English Bible

You can't restore anyone until you catch them doing something wrong. You must judge first. Do it.

But now I’m writing to you not to associate with anyone who calls themselves “brother” or “sister” who is sexually immoral, greedy, someone who worships false gods, an abusive person, a drunk, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with anyone like this.What do I care about judging outsiders? Isn’t it your job to judge insiders?God will judge outsiders. Expel the evil one from among you! - 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 - Common English Bible

So either Jesus Paul and James are all contradicting themselves or there is an answer you are missing.

What is it? Please reconcile these contradictions.
 
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Is it your contention that Jesus contradicts himself? What about James? How about Paul? Are they all contradicting themselves? Or perhaps is there something you are missing?

I didn't pick those passages. The link goes direct to my source.
You may dispute my evaluation of them if you wish.
 
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How do you turn back the wanderer? You first have to recognize they are wandering do you not? That is judging so James says that's good. Do it.

You must sympathize, empathize, forgive and forget your view of their sin. Forgive yourself first.
 
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Jesus says take out the log out if your eye then you can help take the sliver out of your brothers eye. You can't do that if you don't see the sliver first. He didn't say don't see the sliver. He said notice both. Do it.

The "sliver" is something blocking a persons vision. The sliver is not
your view of their sin. The "log" is what keeps you from understanding
their real problem. You must sympathize, empathize, forgive and forget
your view of their sin.
Forgive yourself first.
 
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“If your brother or sister sins against you, go and correct them when you are alone together. If they listen to you, then you’ve won over your brother or sister.But if they won’t listen, take with you one or two others so that every word may be established by the mouth of two or three witnesses.But if they still won’t pay attention, report it to the church. If they won’t pay attention even to the church, treat them as you would a Gentile and tax collector. - Matthew 18:15-17 Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:15-17 - Common English Bible

You can't know your brother has sinned unless you see it. You can't treat them as a tax collector until they do not repent from sin you have spoken with them about. Do it.

"Sins against you" is you being offended. Not a Sin against God.
You must sympathize, empathize, forgive and forget your view of their sin.
Forgive yourself first.
 
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Brothers and sisters, if a person is caught doing something wrong, you who are spiritual should restore someone like this with a spirit of gentleness. Watch out for yourselves so you won’t be tempted too. - Galatians 6:1 Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 6:1 - Common English Bible

You can't restore anyone until you catch them doing something wrong. You must judge first. Do it.

You may not judge. That's already been covered.
37 Top Bible Verses About Judging Others
 
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But now I’m writing to you not to associate with anyone who calls themselves “brother” or “sister” who is sexually immoral, greedy, someone who worships false gods, an abusive person, a drunk, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with anyone like this.What do I care about judging outsiders? Isn’t it your job to judge insiders?God will judge outsiders. Expel the evil one from among you! - 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 5:11-13 - Common English Bible

So either Jesus Paul and James are all contradicting themselves or there is an answer you are missing.

We no longer screen church visitors.
Yes, the advice does not apply to today.
Inviting outsiders to the church picnic
or coffee and donuts is highly supported today.
We do associate with the "sexually immoral, greedy, someone who worships false gods, an abusive person, a drunk, or a swindler."

We welcome ALL of them to church, eat donuts, and to church picnics.
Many churches welcome visitors to take communion if they choose
member or not.

That doesn't mean it was historically a bad idea then.
 
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You must sympathize, empathize, forgive and forget your view of their sin. Forgive yourself first.
That is not what it says. It says nothing about forgiving yourself. It also says nothing about forgiving and forgetting your view of their sin. It says they have wandered from the truth. You must first know the truth and you must recognize they wandered from it. This passage confirms that we can see that someone had wandered from the truth and the other part of that involves us getting involved to turn them back. In order to do any of that you must note they are wandering which involves a judging their actions. None of what you say is in that passage.
 
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The "sliver" is something blocking a persons vision. The sliver is not
your view of their sin. The "log" is what keeps you from understanding
their real problem. You must sympathize, empathize, forgive and forget
your view of their sin.
Forgive yourself first.
Wow, this is a prime example of what I mentioned earlier. A total lack of taking context into consideration. First you state this passages says do not judge. Jesus then gives an example of a judgemental hypocrite then you say the example is not about judging. You cannot have it both ways. The passage starts with judging and ends with helping someone. It says nothing about seeing clearly except to see clearly to help someone remove the sliver from their eye which the context is about judging and being a hypocrite about it. It's entirely a violation of the rules of context. There's nothing there about forgiving yourself. It about not being a hypocrite. You gave a very nice thought concerning this passage but it is not a thought based upon the context.
 
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