Does God Love Everyone, "Unconditionally"?

Hammster said:

He loves because we first loved Him. Got it.

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God called Israel because she left the darkness. God did not call Egypt because she loved the darkness. God chose Joshua and Caleb because they loved the light. God did not chose the other Israelites because they wanted to return to the darkness. They were not confident that God could provide, because His provision was dependent on faith, hope of things unseen. They loved the darkness again, the comfort of seen things.

Nice, I just laid out a functional definition of darkness.

Love of things seen, not dependent on hope, although they are not eternal treasure, but perishable, worldly treasure, which have no value in the Kingdom of God.

Hammster said:

Right. He loves because we first loved Him.

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Sarcasm?

Anyhoo, He first loved us. He took the trouble to put us in trouble, in Egypt, to wake us up right?

Acts 17:26From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

jimmyjimmy said:

If Arminians and Pelagians had catechisms, that would be item #1.

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You gotta put loving, calling and election in the right place. Right now, everybody's all over the map.

bling said:

God loved Paul back when he was Saul torturing and murdering innocent Christians.

We are commanded to unconditionally Love our enemies so is God hypocritical or does God love those that are against Him?

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bling said:

God loved Paul back when he was Saul torturing and murdering innocent Christians.

We are commanded to unconditionally Love our enemies so is God hypocritical or does God love those that are against Him?

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We know according to scripture that God is not partial and he does give everyone fair chances as He knows best. So, according to His word God's love is Impartial, meaning He does love 'IMPARTIALLY' . The question is not if God loves everyone. The question is if God loves everyone unconditionally. The world uses the term 'unconditional love' and it has varied meaning.
It can mean,
Love that has no condiition.
Love that does not condiition.
Love that loves all, at all times, no matter what.
Love that expects nothing in return.
Love that does not expect loving back.

I wonder if it's scriptural. Scripture never uses the word unconditionally, maybe they included the term to the new versions, which again is adding to the word of God. Yahoshua says to love our enemies and to be merciful to them and to forgive them. He never did say love them unconditionally. I know from scripture that,
God's love is Holy
God's love is just
God's love is not partial.
God's love is everlasting to those who love and obey Him.

We all know God loved Paul and he does love His children who obey Him. The Father knows everything. He knew Apostle Paul would obey Him and His commandments even though he was against God then. Ofcourse, God's love is not hypocritical, that's why he hates hypocrites, but when you say God loves everyone unconditonally, you say that He loves hypocrites. Yahoshua said, Woe to you hypocrites! He was talking about the wrath of God that abides on them.

My question is Does God love THE WOMAN JEZEBEL' in the Scriptures. Yes or no? You are saying that God loves everyone, unconditonally. Is it not written that even God himself hated her when she refused to acknowledge God and His ways. We know from Scripture she never repented of her sins and that God has a day of wrath for such people. Whereas, Ahab the King, Jezebel's husband, when he rent his clothes and humbled himself before God, God did show Him mercy. 1 Kings 21:27 - 21:29

Roopa Mercy said:

We know according to scripture that God is not partial and he does give everyone fair chances as He knows best. So, according to His word God's love is Impartial, meaning He does love 'IMPARTIALLY' . The question is not if God loves everyone. The question is if God loves everyone unconditionally. The world uses the term 'unconditional love' and it has varied meaning.
It can mean,
Love that has no condiition.
Love that does not condiition.
Love that loves all, at all times, no matter what.
Love that expects nothing in return.
Love that does not expect loving back.

I wonder if it's scriptural. Scripture never uses the word unconditionally, maybe they included the term to the new versions, which again is adding to the word of God. Yahoshua says to love our enemies and to be merciful to them and to forgive them. He never did say love them unconditionally. I know from scripture that,
God's love is Holy
God's love is just
God's love is not partial.
God's love is everlasting to those who love and obey Him.

We all know God loved Paul and he does love His children who obey Him. The Father knows everything. He knew Apostle Paul would obey Him and His commandments even though he was against God then. Ofcourse, God's love is not hypocritical, that's why he hates hypocrites, but when you say God loves everyone unconditonally, you say that He loves hypocrites. Yahoshua said, Woe to you hypocrites! He was talking about the wrath of God that abides on them.

My question is Does God love THE WOMAN JEZEBEL' in the Scriptures. Yes or no? You are saying that God loves everyone, unconditonally. Is it not written that even God himself hated her when she refused to acknowledge God and His ways. We know from Scripture she never repented of her sins and that God has a day of wrath for such people. Whereas, Ahab the King, Jezebel's husband, when he rent his clothes and humbled himself before God, God did show Him mercy.

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Hate is not the opposite of Love by deity’s definition of hate, since we are commanded to both Love and hate our families. So God can hate people and still Love them unconditionally (and it would have to be unconditionally since they do nothing to deserve His Love).

This earth is very complex, yet everything is working together for those that Love God and really those that still can love God in the future. God predestines/foreordains/controls/allows almost everything that does happen, to help willing individuals fulfill their earthly objective. This everything includes: Christ going to the cross, satan roaming the earth, tragedies of all kind, hell, heaven and even sin is allowed. Mature adults who have refused God’s help (Charity/mercy/grace/Love/forgiveness) to the point they would never accept his help, take on a much lesser earthly objective of helping those that can still choose to accept God’s help to accept God’s charity. They can do this by being the living examples of how bad sin is and how much God hates sin.

God can Love wicked people and yet can destroy them, but they are not being destroyed for their sake, but for the sake of others God also loves. The ones being destroyed are unwillingly sacrificing their lives for the good of others and God is using them for that because God did all He could for them, but they refused to accept His help and will never complete their objective. A child that God Loves which will never turn around and is hurting God’s other children, is used by God to help His other children.

A general loves all his soldiers, but will on occasion have to sacrifice some soldiers for the good of the other soldiers, but does that mean the general did not love those he sacrificed? (this is a poor analogy, but is true to some degree.)

God can do no more for those that He is sacrificing, but they can do good for those that look on. There death will also stop their further hurting of His other children.

Hammster said:

Do you even have the Old Testament in your bible? Just the book of Judges alone shows your argument to be invalid.

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Don't be scared to break free of the darkness. Jesus words should be of comfort right now :

Matthew 11:30"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

Hammster said:

Stating or implying that a member who identifies as a Christian is not one is a rule violation. Just an FYI.

Now, if you'd care to address my post, that would be fine.

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Theo Geek: The Patron-Client system and Hebrews 11:1

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That's one of the reasons, I suspect, that theologians have been relatively slow to pick up on the findings of the social sciences. The discovery of how the word "faithfulness" was actually used in the day-to-day life of the first century AD Mediterranean world has made hundreds of years of theological discussions worthless, and a lot of people don't like to let mere facts or evidence get in the way of their ideas and traditions. [Maybe I'm being too harsh, after all, the first book on the subject of linking Social Sciences with NT exegesis was only in 1981, and it was pretty badly written]

Hammster said:

Do you even have the Old Testament in your bible? Just the book of Judges alone shows your argument to be invalid.

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What's your specific objection?

Hammster said:

Your contention that God call Israel because it left the darkness.

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He opened the sea for them didn't He? And slammed it in the face of Pharaoh...

You don't even know what your baptism signified.

Wordkeeper said:

God called Israel because she left the darkness. God did not call Egypt because she loved the darkness.

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That's not what God Says in His Word.
YHWH did not call any other nation on earth , and says in His Word Why He Chose Israel - Many Chapters in His Word clearly He Tells This.

Wordkeeper said:

That's one of the reasons, I suspect, that theologians have been relatively slow to pick up on the findings of the social sciences.

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The social sciences are pernicious (death dealing/ deadly/ fatal to faith/ evil/ wicked ) in source and in use.

Hammster said:

I never said Israel wasn't chosen. So stop moving the goalposts.

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If your father in Christ made you aware of the futility of the world system and the need for you to hate it, you would be enlightened. If you decide to leave it, you would be called, baptised. If you experienced God's revelation of His ways, drank from the Rock, and agreed to follow through, you would be found righteous. If God allowed you to enter His rest, you would be chosen.

So only Joshua and Caleb were chosen. Israel, the many were called, but only a few were chosen.

Hammster said:

Yeah, okay.

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Shalom:

does he /she realize that all those who are chosen where chosen before the creation of the world ? (i.e. quite some time before ever they were conceived in the womb, and before they were born on the earth, and so forth and so on....)