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Hello!
I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!
 

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Yo dude I wasn't raised in a religious household either and became a Christian when I was 21. If you are ready to take your next step with Jesus you need to pray to him and ask him to heal you and to help you believe in him. The bible can reveal more about God to you. Read the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). They will show you who Jesus is.

I can help you with any questions you have and I will pray for you. I also like philosophy.

Thanks
 
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Yes, read the Gospels. I cannot recommend anything better than this.

I am praying for you, Philonous. May God bless you on your faith-journey. This is a wonderful time.
 
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Hello!
I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!
Got a Bible handy?

Read carefully:

John 14:6
John 3:16-17
John 3:3
John 5:24
Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 10:8-13
Romans 8:1

.........in that order.
 
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Thank you Winken, and thanks to all of you for your messages.
Those verses are really helpful to me. I'm going to write them down to meditate them regularly.
I read the Gospels (I've read Mark and I'm starting Matthew). I found the gospel of Mark helps to open my heart.
I have to read them because of college as well (I have an introduction class to the history of early Christianity). Alhough it's a critical viewpoint, it actually helps me to pay attention to what I read and to think through every verse.
 
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Philonous, Welcome to the forum. So wonderful to hear that God is calling you and you are listening by seeking to know more of Him.
I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.

Those are beautiful words to hear! That you long for a personal relationship with Jesus. The first step in using the measure of faith we have all been given is to use it, which you are doing by reaching out to seek. Jesus Christ is our way to being reconciled to The Father...back to what the first Adam in Genesis had before he ate from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil that was forbidden. Before that, Adam walked with God, at peace.

Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God came to show us the way and to take away our sin so God can reveal Himself to us through the son, In Christ. Praying is a great first step! Repenting for any sin is something we must do as well. Start reading the Bible, as suggested by ExodusMe. Get to know what Jesus taught and preached...and pray for the LORD to help teach you His Truth. Reading scripture, praying and doing what scripture says to do is the beginning of a process that takes place within us...a journey back to The Father through Jesus Christ who is The Door. By getting to know God's son, Jesus Christ, a revelation begins within (by spirit) of losing our self-ness/soul to find it in the Light of Truth of what God purposed for us since before the foundations of the world were laid.

Genesis is good to read, learning about the creation week as it holds a deep picture of Truth on how our journey came to be... what the first Adam once had dominion over and what changed in the garden and with Adam's relationship with his creator...which is the beginning and where I faith brings us back to in the end...and yet His Truth is eternal, no end or beginning.
 
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And Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

John 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 5:21 21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

There are great study tools available online at BibleGateway. The English Standard Version has cross references that you can click on and immediately see other scriptures pertaining to the same subject matter in the verse.
 
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Hello!
I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!

I saw this on the sidebar and read it. Now I got an urge to say something, I'm just not quite sure what I should say. Perhaps welcome you first? Welcome.

There's something to be said about an honest search. It can be a beautiful thing, and it seems to go well with deep-seated honesty about oneself too. Often it leads us to realize ugly things about ourselves as well as certain profound helplessness, but I've found it to lead me closer to Christ. Someone once said to me that all who seek truth, will find Jesus. He/she was right in my case. There is a profound need inside me that cannot be satisfied by anything else.

I am a searcher as well, although I do believe, but my faith isn't the strongest one, at least when I think of what the strongest faith could be. I will probably be a searcher until I die. Perhaps it's a good thing for someone like me, because I need constant reminders about many things, and I can't afford to think that "I'm there". It's also often when I'm riddled by doubt, confusion and sometimes problems with the Bible itself, but somehow that seems to lead me closer to Christ too, because I end up praying to the very God I'm doubting, totally admitting my weak faith and at the same time asking for a stronger one. In these moments the essence of faith seems to be revealed to me: a stumbling human being, in all his/her ignorance, faults and weakness, reaching to God. All the other surrounding noise goes away.

I learned that I shouldn't chase a feeling for feelings' sake, because feelings are fickle, they often betray us and faith based on that will not last for people like me. Then again I can't deny some feelings, like the need I have for Christ. I can't deny that one night I think I felt God and certainly felt a wave of unconditional love during which I had the best cry in my life. It left a lasting mark on me. I will also not deny your feelings, what you experienced about the floor collapsing. I cannot know all the ways how God works, but if He works like this in your case, it's absolutely beautiful. I do believe God pulls people towards Him.

Personal relationship with Jesus isn't a magic trick. You don't have to "perform" in order to get there. I believe it's something that grows in us. You already have the need for it, so you are pulled towards Him. You will be thinking of Him, you will be praying to Him as you are, without pretending to be anyone else. You will find a new sense of honesty and love, and you will go to God in your mind and in your heart. At first you may feel like you're pretending, or that you don't know how to pray, because you still don't believe that God already knows your heart. After that you may feel like you're the worst sinner on earth (very common for new believers, and many of the older ones too) when some realizations kick in, but you will come to understand the meaning of grace soon after. You might feel like you're in chains at first, but you'll gravitate towards freedom in Christ instead of the spirit of fear, and you'll learn to accept the weaknesses of others as well. Relationship with Christ is us going to Him as we are, and having hope in His name, while He leads us to Him. Often it's not about our abilities to do so, but because He leads us there. And if we fail, which I've done many times and will do again, He seems to pick me up again and it's always with love. That mystical, powerful love is what resonates with me the most. It's not a desperate run up a mountain hill in order to get some magic item, He will lead us. "He who knocks, will be let in" and "Whoever comes to me I will never drive away".

By the way, don't think that I'm accusing you of being a horrible human being, or someone who can't understand weaknesses in other people. I'm talking about my own experiences here. If it happens that your journey is anything like mine, I hope this helps. If not, I hope I didn't confuse you much.

For me, the hardest part was allowing Christ in, allowing that powerful love in. In my heart I had barricaded my "doors" from that love. I didn't believe that such things could be given to people like me, or that it existed, or that I could achieve such mystical things. When all I had to do was give up and just let it in, to let God be love, and to accept that I really needed that love. I started to feel more...free, like I could breathe a little. I had more hope and I became more resilient. Normal, lovely things started to seem much more lovely than before, and desperation is now merely a mood, or like a bug teasing me, not some overwhelming "truth" swallowing everything. And while my faith can be weak at times, and I don't always feel things like I'd want to, I know where I'll go with my troubles nevertheless. I'll to to Christ, and I'll think of him on the cross, praying for those who crucified Him. That is the love I need, the kind of love that I don't have in myself, and the kind of love that pulls me towards it, even when it seems like it's silent at times, but it still pulls us and works in us.

I was "lucky" in a sense that I was a mess, down in my life and close to ending it, so at one point I was painfully aware of my situation and how desperately I needed God. I had to surrender, which is a funny word in this context, because I got so much more than what I had, but it's true. But I certainly don't believe that this should be the case for anyone, as if everyone had to suffer like I did, no.

I hope I didn't confuse you with this rambling. I have a tendency for projection, but I also felt like I should say something to you. If any of it helped, thank God, and if any of it rubs you the wrong way, that wasn't my intention and you can blame it on my stupidity. Said a prayer for you, your family and your loved ones. May God lead you to truth, keep you and guide you with His loving hands.
 
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What you said is quite helpful :)

Personal relationship with Jesus isn't a magic trick. You don't have to "perform" in order to get there. I believe it's something that grows in us. You already have the need for it, so you are pulled towards Him. You will be thinking of Him, you will be praying to Him as you are, without pretending to be anyone else. You will find a new sense of honesty and love, and you will go to God in your mind and in your heart. At first you may feel like you're pretending, or that you don't know how to pray, because you still don't believe that God already knows your heart. After that you may feel like you're the worst sinner on earth (very common for new believers, and many of the older ones too) when some realizations kick in, but you will come to understand the meaning of grace soon after. You might feel like you're in chains at first, but you'll gravitate towards freedom in Christ instead of the spirit of fear, and you'll learn to accept the weaknesses of others as well. Relationship with Christ is us going to Him as we are, and having hope in His name, while He leads us to Him. Often it's not about our abilities to do so, but because He leads us there. And if we fail, which I've done many times and will do again, He seems to pick me up again and it's always with love. That mystical, powerful love is what resonates with me the most. It's not a desperate run up a mountain hill in order to get some magic item, He will lead us. "He who knocks, will be let in" and "Whoever comes to me I will never drive away".

Exactly, it feels like I'm pretending. I'm going to try and ask God to help me though that.

I have a question (maybe this is not the right place for that): how do you know what are sins and what are not? I'm a bit afraid to think about that, because I'm "liberal" (I guess you could call me that), and my life and my opinions might be quite in opposition to the laws of God. I'm afraid to even know about it - which is maybe a bit childish.
 
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What you said is quite helpful :)



Exactly, it feels like I'm pretending. I'm going to try and ask God to help me though that.

I have a question (maybe this is not the right place for that): how do you know what are sins and what are not? I'm a bit afraid to think about that, because I'm "liberal" (I guess you could call me that), and my life and my opinions might be quite in opposition to the laws of God. I'm afraid to even know about it - which is maybe a bit childish.
Early morning where you are?
Salvation is by Grace through Faith, the GIFT of God. Jesus embraced, incorporated, and embodied the Jewish Law and the laws. When you become one with Him, there are no "laws" for you to keep up with. Replace those with an intense study of the Book of Romans by the Apostle Paul. Have a great day!!
 
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Hello!
I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!

As one student of philosophy to another, welcome to CF, Philonus! Keep your chin up, and your inquiries active; and just know that having faith isn't an impossibility. :cool:

Peace,
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I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!
wow

what a testimony

God is sure drawing you to Himself

sceptic is totally fine

God has an amazing way of proving Himself to skeptics who want to know the truth about Him

just be honest with God and maybe start talking to Him and ask Him to prove Himself real to you

you need a relationship with Him based on rock solid faith

God can provide all you need to know beyond all doubt that He exists and is your God/Redeemer/Savior/Lord/Master

praying for you

God bless you

welcome to CF dear friend
 
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When you mediate on the word, it becomes a deeper and deeper abiding in it (a journey) in the form of a relationship between a father that you are the son of.

If you want to understand more about who you are, God (a word) is the only source of it.

If you ever want to fellowship over this feel free to PM me anytime.

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"I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it"

seeking the Christ/Truth you are requires patients , understanding it is this spirit of truth within you which reveals this truth who you are ... I know well this feeling you speak of ... growing up it would often swell up in me and I would have to squeeze myself with all my strength to contain it whilst disguising this odd behaviour from others ... I still have it ... I just now know what it is :)

you are in a good place ... let it grow ...
 
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I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!
there is nothing in this world as good as accepting Jesus into your heart. I say this out of experience. since you already desire Jesus, the way to get him is just go to a church of born again Christians and be led into repentance, and accept Jesus into your heart. john;3;3- Jesus answered and said unto him, verily, verily, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God. the love of God upon you.
 
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there is nothing in this world as good as accepting Jesus into your heart. I say this out of experience. since you already desire Jesus, the way to get him is just go to a church of born again Christians and be led into repentance, and accept Jesus into your heart. john;3;3- Jesus answered and said unto him, verily, verily, I say unto you, except a man be born again, he can not see the kingdom of God. the love of God upon you.
besides, also it is written,
for this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our savior, who will have all men to be saved, and come unto the knowledge of truth 1TIMOTHY;2;3-4. This salvation of jesus is the knowledge of truth that God wishes for all.
 
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I'm not used to spirituality. I was raised in an Atheist household and I feel kind of a impostor when I try to get closer to any kind of faith at all. That being said, I do admit there is a part of me seeking for something more.
I'm a philosophy student, thus I often look for "something more" but this is different from my usual thinking.
Sometimes I go to a cathedral, and I see this big crucifix, hanging from the ceiling, with Jesus Christ suffering to save us from our sins. It always leaves me with a deep and troubling feeling. I can't look at it for a long time because I feel like the floor under me is collapsing. It's a sensation difficult to explain.
I tried to go to Catholic celebrations, as it is the only important church in my region (to my knowledge), but it wasn't quite working. I sometimes pray but I can't so far really get into this personal relationship with Jesus that I long for.
I'm still quite skeptical in my everyday life. But I can't be skeptic about that feeling, because it's just there, and I don't know what to do with it.
I thought that talking about it online would help me to nurture it and to learn more about faith while staying in my "comfort zone" - because it is scary to me, I'm not sure why. Also I don't have any Christian friends.

Thanks for reading.
I wish you a nice day!
Hi; good to see you; God bless His Word to you; a daily Bible reading habit can be a great blessing; John's Gospel is a wonderful book of the Bible to get to know well.
 
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