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Luke 9:35 . . A voice came from the cloud, saying: This is my son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.

The chosen son referred to in that verse isn't Solomon; it's Jesus Christ. So then, it was the voice's command that the three apostles who accompanied the Son listen to him rather than listen to anybody else.

Now, that's very important because Jesus Christ testified that people continue to exist after they die; while Solomon believed just the opposite.

Solomon spoke of death; but there's no textual evidence in the book of Ecclesiastes indicating that he had ever seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. In contrast, there is an abundance of textual evidence indicating that Jesus Christ not only spoke of death, but he had seen beyond death for himself to know what he was talking about. (e.g. John 3:13, John 3:31-32, John 6:33, John 6:38, and 1John 1:1-3) So in my estimation, Christ's eye-witness reports carry far more weight than Solomon's philosophical opinions.

When people insist that we listen to Solomon instead of listening to Jesus Christ, they are insinuating that the voice in the cloud steered the apostles in the wrong direction. That's a terrible thing to insinuate seeing as how the speaker was God.

2Pet 1:17-18 . . For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying: This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

Can you just imagine how insulted Jesus Christ's Father must feel when people choose Solomon over His son; especially when it's a matter of record that God wasn't well pleased with Solomon?

Luke 11:31 . . At the judgment the queen of the south will rise with the men of this generation and she will condemn them, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and there is something greater than Solomon here.

You know, if I was going to interpret somebody's teachings about the afterlife as figurative language; it wouldn't be Jesus Christ's teachings; no, it would be somebody's else's in order to avoid insulting Christ's Father. Better to err on the safe side.

POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 12 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 728,760 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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COMPLAiNT: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

RESPONSE: The human sense is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue; and not even all three of those pounds are devoted to cognitive processes. On top of that, those three pounds are 60% fat.

That fatty, flabby, organic tissue can alter one's personality with little more than an aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a fatty, flabby, organic sense really be compared to the sense of a supernatural being with enough intelligence to invent, design, and construct a fully functioning cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? A fatty, flabby, organic sense isn't even a dunce in comparison: it's a sub dunce: the mind of a squeaky little gerbil.

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Creeping up the blind side, shinning up the wall,
stealing through the dark of the night.
Climbing through a window, stepping to the floor
checking to the left and the right.
Picking up the pieces, putting them away;
something doesn't feel quite right.

Help me someone, let me out of here.
Then out of the dark was suddenly heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Coming out the woodwork, through the open door,
pushing from above and below.
Shadows with no substance, in the shape of men;
round and down and sideways they go.
Adrift without direction, eyes that hold despair
then as one they sigh and they moan:

Help us someone, let us out of here.
Living here so long undisturbed,
dreaming of the time we were free
so many years ago
before the time when we first heard:
Welcome to the Home by the Sea

Sit down . . Sit down
As we relive our lives in what we tell you

Images of sorrow, pictures of delight
things that go to make up a life.
Endless days of summer, longer nights of gloom
waiting for the morning light.
Scenes of unimportance, photos in a frame
things that go to make up a life.

Sit down . . Sit down
Cause you won't get away,
no; with us you will stay
for the rest of your days.
So sit down as we relive our lives in what we tell you.
Let us relive our lives in what we tell you.

Home By The Sea
Genesis, 1983
Phil Collins, Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford


The lyrics of that song are so sad because it depicts how the only thing people have to do down in the netherworld to help pass the time is tell each other about their previous lives. There is, of course, nothing to tell about their lives in hell since the colloquialism "get a life" is a non sequitur in that place. Nobody has a life down there; nor any hope of getting one.

Ecc 9:10 . . Whatever your hand finds to do, verily, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in sheol where you are going.

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2Ths 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain category of people have no chance whatsoever to be spared the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked and poked fun at him like one of those deranged souls that go around with a sandwich board that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was sealed from the outside: and God was the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 15 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 910,950 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

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COMPLAiNT: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

Forever cannot have "and ever" added to it. That is nonsense.

The words "ever and ever" are a mistranslation. Literally it says "ages of the ages".

The word "for" in "for ever and ever" is the Greek word EIS. It is usually translated "into" in the KJV.

Some people who translated the literal "ages of the ages" as "for ever and ever" assume "ages of ages" means one age after another age going on endlessly.

Even if that were so, the word EIS as "into" only indicates entrance into the first of those ages, not lasting for & throughout all of them.

Therefore, for example, the torments of Revelation 20:10 may ony last "into" the first of those endless ages.

"Forever and Ever"--A Poor Translation":

Chapter Five

Why Can't Aionas Ton Aionon Mean Eternity?

The Eon of the Eons, A. E. Knoch
 
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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a religion of fear. Well; that criticism is not entirely without merit.

Luke 12:4-6 . . I tell you, my friends: do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him.

For the longest time I thought it very curious that Christ didn't say that to his opponents, rather; to his disciples. (Luke 12:1)

The koiné Greek word for "disciples" is mathetes (math-ay-tes') which essentially identifies a learner; viz: pupils and students.

Jesus had at least seventy students (Luke 10:1) and quite possibly more that aren't mentioned. Anyway, point being: Christ's students weren't accomplished. They didn't really have it all down pat.

It's the same today; all over the world, there are people in the process of learning about Christianity in Sunday schools, sermons and lectures, books, missions, evangelistic crusades, the internet, and from radio and television programs in accordance with Christ's wishes as per Matt 28:18-20.

Christ wasn't shy about informing his students as to the grim possibility of their going to hell; and Christian teachers today really ought to be following his example and not leave their audiences with the false impression that there's nothing to worry about.

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Christianity is sometimes criticized as a religion of fear. Well; that criticism is not entirely without merit.

Luke 12:4-6 . . I tell you, my friends: do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear Him.

For the longest time I thought it very curious that Christ didn't say that to his opponents, rather; to his disciples. (Luke 12:1)

The koiné Greek word for "disciples" is mathetes (math-ay-tes') which essentially identifies a learner; viz: pupils and students.

Jesus had at least seventy students (Luke 10:1) and quite possibly more that aren't mentioned. Anyway, point being: Christ's students weren't accomplished. They didn't really have it all down pat.

It's the same today; all over the world, there are people in the process of learning about Christianity in Sunday schools, sermons and lectures, books, missions, evangelistic crusades, the internet, and from radio and television programs in accordance with Christ's wishes as per Matt 28:18-20.

Christ wasn't shy about informing his students as to the grim possibility of their going to hell; and Christian teachers today really ought to be following his example and not leave their audiences with the false impression that there's nothing to worry about.

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Honestly it's beginning to seem like a religion based on fear to me. Intimidation to obey or you'll be tortured forever is not love. It's evil.
 
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The slaughtering and the butchering never stop.

Hell is where people end up alone and without eternal fellowship.
Who would want to spend eternity with a entity they did not Trust or even believe in?
That would be mean. You'd go insane.
In Hell you only have to live-with-yourself forever.
 
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Acts 2:31 . . his soul was not left in hell

The Greek word for "hell" in that verse is haides (hah'-dace) which essential means: unseen.

Haides (a.k.a. hades) is borrowed from Greek mythology. It refers to the afterlife situation of all the dead, both the good dead and the bad dead.

Hades is divided into sections where the souls of the dead are assigned in accordance with the quality of their pre-death existence. The worst section is a deep abys called Tartarus; which is utilized in the New Testament at 2Pet 2:4.

According to Luke 23:43, the section of hades in which Christ reposed for three days and nights was Paradise.

There's only one Paradise just as there is only one Walmart; but like Walmart, Paradise is situated in more than one location. There's a location down in the netherworld (Matt 12:40). Another located in a celestial region that Paul labeled the third heaven (2Cor 12:2-4). And yet another location in a place called the paradise of God. (Rev 2:7)

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A forgiven sinner is still a sinful being, and they'll go right on sinning same as before they were forgiven unless they undergo a re-design because human nature is intrinsically bad to the bone.

Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

POPULATION CLOCK UPDATE: 18 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures in post #1 are within reason, then something like 1,093,140 new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of hades since June 19, 2017.

NOTE: Isn't that astounding? In less time than it takes to hatch a chicken egg, quite possibly a million+ people have died and gone to hell.

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Christianity is a lethal religion. It quite literally, in some supernatural way that I don't quite understand, puts Christ's believing followers to death.

Rom 6:3 . . Do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

Rom 6:6 . . Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him

Gal 2:20 . . I am crucified with Christ

Col 3:3 . . For you died when Christ died

What's so good about being dead? Well; one of the good parts is: according to Rom 7:1-4 dead people are no longer under the jurisdiction of the Ten Commandments.

Rom 4:15 . . Law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

Rom 5:13 . . Sin is not imputed when there is no law.

The Greek word in that passage for "imputed" is ellogeo (el-log-eh'-o) which means (in the sense of account); to reckon in, i.e. attribute: in other words to count against someone; viz: an indictment with which to slam people at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

In a nutshell, all the sinful thoughts, words, and actions committed by Christ's believing followers up to the time of their execution upon the cross with Christ were expunged from the record because Christ's crucifixion satisfied justice for every one of those sinful thoughts, words, and actions. At that moment, their sinful thoughts, words, and actions ceased to be tallied.

2 Cor 5:17-19 . . If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come. All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them.

So it would be futile to haul Christ's believing followers before the great white throne to answer for their sins because there is nothing on the books with which to accuse them, i.e. there is nothing on record to prove that they've ever been anything less than 100% innocent.

Luke 2:8-10 . .There were shepherds abiding out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them: Do not be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.

Well; if what I've written in this post is true, then for sure we all have reason to be very happy; while hell has reason to be very glum because Christ's crucifixion is busy siphoning off a number of hell's potential customers. Instead of hogging a 100% market share of the world's sinners, hell is being forced to settle for less. Hell will still make out alright, just not as good as it would like.

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COMPLAiNT: The Christian hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment people in a fiery prison forever and ever.

RESPONSE: The human sense is produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue; and not even all three of those pounds are devoted to cognitive processes. On top of that, those three pounds are 60% fat.

That fatty, flabby, organic tissue can alter one's personality with little more than an aneurism or a blow to the head. Just how sensible can a fatty, flabby, organic sense really be compared to the sense of a supernatural being with enough intelligence to invent, design, and construct a fully functioning cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? A fatty, flabby, organic sense isn't even a dunce in comparison: it's a sub dunce: the mind of a squeaky little gerbil.

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Okay, so how could a person influenced by a "fatty, flabby, organic sense" be held accountable enough to be tortured for all eternity? I don't think that some of the fatty, flabby organic senses thought that one through. ;)

Honestly it's beginning to seem like a religion based on fear to me. Intimidation to obey or you'll be tortured forever is not love. It's evil.
Frankly, I suspect that this thread is designed to scare people off from Christianity. Just a hunch.

Or, it could just be one very long-winded, elaborate, Poe.
 
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how could a person influenced by a "fatty, flabby, organic sense" be held accountable enough to be tortured for all eternity?

I watched an educational series on NetFlix in September of 2014 called "The Inexplicable Universe: Unsolved Mysteries" hosted by Neil deGrasse Tyson Ph.D. director of the Hayden Planetarium. Mr. Tyson said, in so many words; that in the study of Physics, one must sometimes abandon sense and accept discoveries as they are no matter how contrary to logic they may seem.

The NASA teams that sent Pioneers, Voyagers and Mariners out to explore the planets came to the very same conclusion: they learned to abandon their logical expectations and instead expect the unexpected; and they encountered plenty.

The discovery of the cosmos' accelerating expansion was very discouraging for cosmologist Alan Sandage-- once a proponent of the theory that the universe would eventually run out of explosive energy from the Big Bang and gradually pull itself back together --called the discovery of the ever increasing velocity of the expanding universe a terrible surprise. And of course it is because the known laws of gravity, combined with common sense, demand that the ballooning universe eventually slow down, stop expanding, and shrink rather than picking up speed.

In the field of Christianity, as in the fields of Physics and planetary exploration, faith believes what's revealed to it rather than only what makes sense to it.

I readily admit that the idea of people existing in an altered state, consciously suffering to time indefinite, makes no sense at all to my human mind's way of thinking, and seems to totally contradict the nature of a divine patron reputed to be kind, caring, and sympathetic. But just as science admits to many unsolved mysteries; so does Christianity. And there's no shame in that. The shame is in pretending to have complete understanding of a supernatural entity that by its very nature defies reason and common sense.

1Cor 2:13-14 . . A natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

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Okay, so how could a person influenced by a "fatty, flabby, organic sense" be held accountable enough to be tortured for all eternity? I don't think that some of the fatty, flabby organic senses thought that one through. ;)

Frankly, I suspect that this thread is designed to scare people off from Christianity. Just a hunch.

Or, it could just be one very long-winded, elaborate, Poe.


Regarding your second part, it's certainly having me feel like that.
 
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