Amos 3:7, the New Testament & the Commandments

Bob S · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
I believe the temple will come down and be placed as in Revelation. I am unsure how the sacrifice and offerings will resume it says so in Eziekiel but is unclear in other prophecy. I believe the people of God will be keeping Sukkot as in Zachariah 14 and the ones outside the gate will be in danger. Tzizi yes thats a good idea, God wanted us to rember His commandments. Holy Spirit and the Sabbath that is a discussion between us and God, my spirit grieves for it, yours does not, I can not answer that question but I would be very interested in knowing the reason mine does and yours does not. I guess it's the million dollar question on this forum.

Kinda like those who speak in tongues, I have no premonition to do it, but some do. Snake handling is another phenomena that I have no idea why one would feel the need to do that.

1John2:4 · Jul 4, 2017

Bob S said:
Kinda like those who speak in tongues, I have no premonition to do it, but some do. Snake handling is another phenomena that I have no idea why one would feel the need to do that.

No nothing like that because those are not part of the Law. The one placed on our hearts in Jerimiah 31.

Bob S · Jul 4, 2017

Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

There you have it folks, God stopped Torah law at Calvary

1John2:4 · Jul 4, 2017

Bob S said:
Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

There you have it folks, God stopped Torah law at Calvary

This was not at Calvary You do realize that this was way before Messiah. It was God punishing them by taking away a good thing. Because guess what, these burdonsome Sabbaths and Festivals they may have been actually quite fun. Do you say "How burdonsome, Easter is in a couple of days and we are going to celebrate. What will we ever do with such a horrible occasion I wish we had a Saviour to save us from such a thing."

Bob S · Jul 4, 2017

Yes, He took away the promised land that was the covenant promise as long as Israel was obedient to it. Now it is all history and praise the Lord He gave all mankind the final covenant of grace and love. Glory, Glory, Hallelujah.

Never forget that Torah (old covenant) = earthly promised land, new covenant = heavenly promised land. Keeping old covenant got Israel the land of Canaan, keeping the new covenant gets all of us eternal life with Jesus.

I am not interested in taking the time to keep ritual old covenant laws that will get us nothing. We all should be interested in loving the least of these my brethren and in so doing we have done it unto Jesus.

What makes one think that they can do a better job at keeping Torah than did Israel? Israel was a disappointment and God said: I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

listed said:
The better idea would be to read what buggy posted without changing what he said.

I would like that very much.Probably to much to ask of people, though.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

What happened to the quoted post?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

listed said:
We told you. You even posted it.

Amazing, huh.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

listed said:
The verses is about contents, not place written.

Why oh why do they not appear to understand tis?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
Exteamly obvious

So how can you miss it? "Not according to..." deals with contents and not place.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
It looks like you are only looking at the one verse, verse 32and taking it completely out of context. He said it is different because He takes His Law and places it on our minds and hearts. Y'all do this with fullfilled in Matthew 5 you stop at fullfill and fill in the blanks with some bizarre doctrine that is not even within the context of the passage. Why do you do this? The context explains what the meaning of the passage.

You think of the word "new" as repeat. Simply not what it says. It says "not according to.." It does not say move the covenant. The "my law in v 33 can not be the same law covenant issued at Sinai. The NT is proof of this.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
Both Covenants are for Israel

Absolutely. Your idea is gentiles are excluded at least unless they submit to the previous covenant. Acts shows this is not true. Chapter 15 is all the proof necessary. You still might say no. Then I ask which, if any gentile was required to keep the law for salvation? Please quote the appropriate passage.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

BobRyan said:
Jeremiah 31
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

In "the text" it is made with the House o Israel - as we all can see when we read the text.
In "the text" it is Jeremiah writing to his contemporaries about the LAW known to them both - as we can all see.

This part is irrefutable. Both covenants deal with God's Law -- known to Jeremiah and his readers.

Same LAW of God, different context/location

Bob why are you still trying to con us? If what you say is true there is no such thing as salvation for gentiles unless they submit to the OC. Besides that Acts would have to be a fraud.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
Again, aside from Jerimiah 31:32 (which was obviously taken out of context) where is it prophecied God's law was to be abolished, finished, distroyed, fullfilled(with the meaning that is distroyed) completed come to an end. Anywhere in the Tenakh? Anywhere?

I have no idea why you think v 32 is being taken out of context. I also have no idea why you think the word "fulfilled" is being abused. Fulfill is defined as -

to meet the requirements of: to bring to an end

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

Yanni depp said:
This thread is about the decalogue being done away with. As in made irrelevant, isnt it?

Original post....

Jesus lived a perfect life adhering to the Law and died for our sins. That sounds fulfilling.

John 14:15
Romans 6:1
Matthew 5:17-20
Matthew 5-7

These verses tell me that the decalogue isnt irrelevent. Thats what im saying.

You dont like that?

I love those verses. Not a single one of them say the law is relevant to the Christian.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

1John2:4 said:
No nothing like that because those are not part of the Law. The one placed on our hearts in Jerimiah 31.

Which one is that? You claim without proof it is the covenant law issued to Israel at Sinai. I claim it is not based on the passage you reference.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 4, 2017

Bob S said:
Hosea 2:11
I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

There you have it folks, God stopped Torah law at Calvary

They will not believe it.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jul 5, 2017

1John2:4 said:
This was not at Calvary You do realize that this was way before Messiah. It was God punishing them by taking away a good thing. Because guess what, these burdonsome Sabbaths and Festivals they may have been actually quite fun. Do you say "How burdonsome, Easter is in a couple of days and we are going to celebrate. What will we ever do with such a horrible occasion I wish we had a Saviour to save us from such a thing."

Then you have no argument to support the Sabbath or the law for that matter.

bugkiller

Bob S · Jul 5, 2017

1John2:4 said:
This was not at Calvary You do realize that this was way before Messiah. It was God punishing them by taking away a good thing. Because guess what, these burdonsome Sabbaths and Festivals they may have been actually quite fun. Do you say "How burdonsome, Easter is in a couple of days and we are going to celebrate. What will we ever do with such a horrible occasion I wish we had a Saviour to save us from such a thing."

I give you the verse from the Old Testament that tells us God would do away with Torah and you come up with this lame excuse. Oy! I have already posted 2Cor 3: 7-11 as proof that the 10 commandments were temporary. I am coming to believe that no matter if Jesus himself came and gave you the real Word straight from His mouth you would not accept it.

listed · Jul 5, 2017

1John2:4 said:
Right verse 32- no it's not like the Covenant He made, instead of the Law being written on stone, it (the law, the whole law not parts of the law) are written on flesh. That is the difference in the covenant.

Hey buggy would you do a key word study on the entire passage?

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