Christianity and Transhumanism

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Does god not want us in heaven one day?

If God wants to take us, he can do so anytime he wants—just like the biblical Enoch. He doesn't need us to insure our own deaths to do so. In fact, in 1 Corinthians 15, Paul describes some people who will be made immortal without tasting death at all.

That said, the biblical vision is of heaven coming to Earth.

Jesus teaches us to pray, "Your kingdom come...on Earth as it is in heaven."

The end of Revelation depicts the New Jerusalem descending to Earth, to bless all creation.

Romans 8 talks about the children of God participating in the renewal of this cosmos.

So yes, God wants us in heaven, but we don't need to die to get there.
 
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Going to heaven without dying? No one has ever done that before. How can you go to heaven to be with the lord Jesus Christ when your soul can't leave your bionic body? It's just like eternal life without jesus and loved ones. What about the loved ones who died before you that went to heaven? Do you never see them again?

Say, you believe jesus will come to earth again, right?
 
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Do you think they will succeed in make humans live in an avatar and revive the dead who's been dead for a month?

Who knows. I doubt many of these pipe-dreams are even physically possible. I do know they'll never stop pushing the envelope until the Lord returns.
 
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Is Christain Transhumanim part of God's plan? Or even Transhumanism itself? I do not think it is natural to live in avatars and avoid dying and going to heaven. Micah said you don't need to die in order to go to heaven but I am not sure that is true or not. Unless that is when Jesus comes back to earth. (Jesus's Second Coming).
 
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This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this...

It doesn't matter.

"The Lord foils the plans of the nations, he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations." (Psalms 33:10-11)
 
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Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.
Of course he's wrong. Dead wrong.
What makes you think that the world has 25 years left for the wicked to do even more wickedness.
All the best laid plans of mice and men will come to nought very very soon.
A lot sooner than most Christians are willing to think about.
Keep your eyes on Syria.
 
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Hi Yall. My name is Mark. I run a site called www.TheSingularity.com.

I got saved in 92 and went to bible college in 94. I’ve been active in the church pretty much my whole adult life.

Even in bible college, the teaching about the 2nd coming of Christ never sat well with me. I always left with an unsettled feeling. None of it ever made logical sense. It was all a bunch of guesswork, with people ENDLESSLY pointing to one thing or the other continually saying this or that about a sign.

I went along for a while with looking at those signs, but eventually, after 10-15 years of looking at israel, or clinton, or syria, or whatever the latest thing was, it no longer felt honest.

In 2011 I learned about the technological singularity from a movie called transcendent man. I knew how tech was moving forward, and the things they spoke of in that movie made sense.

At first, as I was adjusting to a new vista, a new outlook, it was difficult because my first reaction was to assign all the stuff I was seeing as "evil". The easy path was to point at the works of the tech and call it the beast.

But just like sitting in those eschatology classes didn’t feel right, neither did pointing at what computers were doing and will do.

The hard part, is that even after 5 years I still have to believe by faith that it is not the Beast. Because some of the stuff tech will be doing can certainly look that way.

For five years I spent concerted effort uncoupling my preconceived ideas and reconsidering where I believe we're going from A New Perspective. Honestly, it's not easy all the time. But it gets easier with exercise.

Train a child up in the way he should go and when he grows up he will not depart from it. My mind was trained for years and years that the second coming would look a certain way. The problem was, none of the ways that I learned about in Bible College made much sense. They always felt kind of gross.

Specifically, most of the thought processes seem to violate some very key scriptures and that always bothered me. Specifically versus saying that no one would know the exact time. Not even the Son. But yet they pointed and said oh look at Israel, or look at Kuwait, or look at Bill Clinton. Or whoever it was at the time. That didn't feel right. It felt more divisive than unifying.

Christ prayed that we would be one even as he and his father are one. He prayed that we would be one with them. He asked us to pray that God will would be done on Earth as it is in heaven.

In my personal opinion, I believe that the enemy has spent years sowing fear into the church about us connecting. The last thing the enemy wants is for us to connect with one another. And that's what is happening with tech.

Anyway, there are lots and lots of versus that in my opinion speak about where we're going in a good way.

I personally believe that we are being brought together via tech, and that God will use it to allow his word to spread quickly and effortlessly through the world.

I believe that it's harder to get away with crime than it used to be, specifically because our actions are tracked via cameras and sensors. To me the speaks of the verse that says the king sits on his throne to judge and winnows out evil with his eyes. At first this was scary, because I didn't like the idea of being judged. But then I had to reconsider why? Was it a fear of punishment? It's very interesting why I didn't want accountability. As a Christian that should not be the case. Now I feel differently about technology. I will commit because I believe that God is chasing out evil by it’s use.

Anyway, from my experience in order to see and accept the good things that God has, is, and will do through technology, I had to let go of a lot of preconceived ideas and reconsider things in the light of where we are today and where tech will be taking us.

It's been a lot of work pouring through different scriptures, but if you would like to take a look, you can go to www.TheSingularity.com. It’s my personal blog where I write different thoughts about the bible and tech.
 
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Reading the Bible's few verses on death and the spirit of Man seems to make it clear that he has no control over his life force; it is from God, and will do only His bidding.

Here is one:
"There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power over the day of death."
(Ecclesiastes 8:8)

The clearest rebuttal is probably this:

"What man is he that lives, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave?" (Psalm 89:48)

And these:
"It is appointed unto all men once to die, and after that the judgment."

And:
"The wages of sin is death."

The power that death has over humans - our greatest enemy and source of shame, and that which ultimately brings down even the highest men to it, has been appointed by God. I would suggest that to seek to evade death by pursuing immortality in any form is rank rebellion against God.

It's something you will see in history a lot: rich men seeking to avoid death.

The sad thing about it is that while I think they may as a result of their searching, accidentally make finds that are beneficial, the money would have been better spent directly being pointed towards fighting disease. They're essentially robbing people of help.
 
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I have replied to a thread similar to this before. Look, this nonsense will never happen. Man also said they could build a tower to heaven, and God had to set things straight.

Look this is the lunacy to these types of ideas. Mankind is currently in a state where we can't agree on how many genders there are, what gender we each are, if homosexuals can marry and if homosexuality is natural or a perversion, we don't even know what causes cancer or autism and yet this clown is going to defeat death in 20-30 years?!

You have a better chance of being the first human on Mars than this craziness occurring. Man has already defeated death, in Jesus!

O death WHERE is your victory?!
O grave, WHERE is your sting?!
 
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I am too. Do you think they will succeed in make humans live in an avatar and revive the dead who's been dead for a month?
Nope. Where do they show even the beginnings of HOW this is to work? They're gonna upload consciousness? Okay, I guess they know what consciousness is, then. Maybe they'd like to let us know?

Just a lot of hot air.
 
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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avators I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.
You can not live forever in this world. The sun is a star and stars were formed from collections of hot matter in their early stages and expanded to form red giants and burned out in their late stages. Giant black holes swallowed stars. If the sun expands into a red giant, life on earth will be extinguished in flames.

Taking pills will not make you live that long. The U.S. spends more than double on healthcare than the U.K. and with a lesser life expectancy. The U.S. is ranked 31st in life expectancy. The U.S. is ranked #12 in obesity with an obesity rate of 35%. Hispanics in the U.S. have a greater life expectancy than Whites or Blacks.
http://news.heart.org/cdc-u-s-hispanics-live-longer-than-whites-and-blacks/

There are poor people in China who could not afford much meat living longer than people eating huge burgers, soft drinks and fries. A hundred pills can not cure a case of stage four small cell lung cancer. Reversing Alzheimer's with drugs is a theory that has not been proven. A drunk might drive across the center line into oncoming traffic and kill. One may not be sure about tomorrow. The here and now is where I live, not in an avatar.
 
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I believe it is possible to have remote telekinesis of an avatar, much like the Avatar movie and the Surrogate movie.

The consciousness cannot be separated and transfered to another body, as it is the domain of God, the spark of life or singularity by scientific definition of the term is not a key that is able to be turned let alone acessed, without destroying lige altogether.

I believe that a brain on a cellular level can be placed in an environment that sustains neural activity, in the absense of the body. Like the Star Trek movie of the brains that were sustained and integrated to a computer that interfaced to peripherals.

This however is frought with difficulties as a brain will eventually degrade owing to diseases like Alzheimer's disease.

I believe that man will eventually accomplish an interface, but will not add to their years, because this is the deception of receiving a mark or point of no return, because it supports the original lie of Satan that you shall surely not die.

The result will be destruction, because a brain is programmed on a cellular level to degrade. God did say that no man lives past 120 years.

This will not stop the transhumanism in making borg like collective beasts of themselves and the world to serve the lie, which plays into transgenderism.
 
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Going to heaven without dying? No one has ever done that before.

2 Kings 2:11 Elijah did not die, he went to heaven in a chariot of fire. Hebrews 11:5 Enoch was taken by God, and did not die.

he sad thing about it is that while I think they may as a result of their searching, accidentally make finds that are beneficial, the money would have been better spent directly being pointed towards fighting disease. They're essentially robbing people of help.

Typically it is less useful to try and treat diseases like alzheimer's or cancer or heart disease individually, because if one is successfully treated, given time another will present itself. Targeting age related degeneration is actually a way to attack multiple age-related diseases at once, and it very effective. As they say, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

The power that death has over humans - our greatest enemy and source of shame, and that which ultimately brings down even the highest men to it, has been appointed by God. I would suggest that to seek to evade death by pursuing immortality in any form is rank rebellion against God.

Christ is our ultimate victory over death, but I would think Christ's death and resurrection affected the physical world, not just some far away spiritual realm.

Look at the ages of the Old testament Patriarchs. Pretty impressive. (Not that I am a fan of Answers in Genesis) The decline in their ages since the fall was evidence of the power sin in the world. Jesus broke the power of sin. In doing so, it makes sense that living to great ages is not necessarily a problem. The Church is supposed to be the body of Christ in the world. We are essentially here with the spirit to bring as much of heaven to earth as we can. Ergo, this seems as if it would be part of our mission. Even if you think these are metaphorical, it is still part of the narrative history of Christianity.
 
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As a Christian, I am repulsed by transhumanism.
I am too. Do you think they will succeed in make humans live in an avatar and revive the dead who's been dead for a month?


That's only ONE aspect of transhumanism. I'm not for that aspect because you'd likely just have a copy of your consciousness. But having everyone be healthy and all of us able to live for centuries or forever if we want to? That I'm for, and providing it's available to everyone it could be a very good thing. And I hope it happens in my lifetime because I'm not keen on the idea of dying.
 
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Ray Kurzweil and Dmitry Iskov from 2045.com wants to end death completely and wants humanity to live forever in a "avator" by 2045 and it's becoming a midstream now. This is not a joke and they are completely serious about this. I for one believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. But I can not bare to live inside an avator for eternity.

Ray Kurzweil is a very smart man no doubt about it, but I in fear transhumanism will become a reality by a quarter of a century from now, and I hope he's wrong about the singularity and transhumanism.

They even think they can one day transfer your soul and consisouness to an avator from the human body one day.

Also some people aim to bring back the dead. I strongly disagree with that. Do you think that's possible?

Technology is improving at an alarming rate and we will never know what they will be capable of in the future. Hopefully the second coming of Christ is coming to stop all this.

Would transhumanism defeat death, if so, you can still choose to die and go to heaven with Jesus right? I for one would hate to be forced to be in an avator one day. I would still choose to die even though they invent the technology for immortality.

Would that defeat the purpose of living for Christ and going to Heaven?

Let me know if you guys think about all of this. When they invent the technology to live forever in avators I will still choose to stay in by biological body and die and go the heaven.


This is the oldest lie from satan, you will be as gods, surely you will never die. This is total deception and rooted in the antichrist completely.
 
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If God wants to take us, he can do so anytime he wants—just like the biblical Enoch.

You're right. He can. Evidence exists, massively, that he does not. Therefore, he doesn't want to. Some death is the result of environmental causes. Fight those, if you'd like. Most death is the result of gene regulation, programmed into us by God for the dual purposes of making us grow up and grow old. God deliberately designed us to die. It's not an accident.

Anyway, from my experience in order to see and accept the good things that God has, is, and will do through technology, I had to let go of a lot of preconceived ideas and reconsider things in the light of where we are today and where tech will be taking us.

Technology is just a tool. It is only as good or as evil as the people who use it. History is full of people who are fundamentally evil, trained into behaving mostly good through the use of their own cowardice. Every now and then the reigns are taken by someone more motivated by boredom than fear, and we get a genocide or a war. Right now technology seems mostly good, because your society is mostly functional. When society breaks down it will be your worst enemy.
 
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