You can add this verse also.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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You can add this verse also.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
The Spirit of Truth is Jesus Himself.
John 14
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—
17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
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Thank you.
And the Spirit of truth?
I'll try to explain that the Spirit of truth is God, is Jesus. First, it will be about "The birth of Jesus", second, it will be about "Jesus' promise not leave us as orphans".
The birth of Jesus; Matthew and Luke,
Matthew 1:20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
Luke 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:20 is contradicting Luke 1:35 because who come "from the Holy Spirit" is not the Holy Spirit, and in the other side, Luke 1:35 declares that the Holy Spirit comes upon the Virgin Mary.
Based on Luke 1:35, I like to say that Mary conceived the Holy Spirit and Mary delivered a baby named Jesus; therefore, it might be concluded that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one.
For me, both Matthew 1:20 and Luke 1:35 are true. But, it need long explanation. Shortly and "hypothetically", Joseph was being at the lower step of the staircase. Joseph could not comprehend nor accept that God is conceived by a human; Mary had no filter to accept God's will. Catholic teaches that Mary is immaculate which means (in my believe) May was at the highest step of the staircase, Mary had no filter to accept God's will, that she was able to say,
Luke 1:38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.”
Jesus' promise "not leave us as orphans"
John 14:17 "the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you."
We see, Jesus promised to the disciples (and us) that He would not leave them (and us) as orphans. Jesus also promised to come back. Look to what Jesus said: “I will come to you. (18)” Jesus did not say that He will send others. Look also to the sentence that follows, Jesus repeated His promise,
John 14:28 "... I am going away and I will come back to you. ...."
What is the meaning of “to you” in John 14:28? Are the words addressed to His disciples or to the Church's members in the coming days? If it were addressed either to the disciples and to the Church's members, it means till now Jesus has not come back, because until now neither the disciples nor the Church's members witnessed Jesus has come back.
Or, shall we conclude that Jesus has come back based on John 20:11-29, Luke 24:13-49, Mark 16:9-18, Matthew 28:16-20 (after resurrection, Jesus appeared to His disciples)? I don’t think so. Because, Jesus did ascend to the place He came from (Mark 16:19, Luke 24:50-51), and, since the time He has never come back.
Is it possible that Jesus does not keep His promise? Is it possible that Jesus has come back, but we make mistake to understand? If Jesus has not come back, it significantly shows that Jesus left the disciples as orphans, and it is unmatched to His promise.
Standing on my believe in Jesus, I believe Jesus always keeps His promises. It means, Jesus has come back.
We will try to find the supporting statement for this.
Before going further, I like to note again based on Luke 1:35 that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one, and, the Acts (Acts 2:1-40) tells us about the coming of the Holy Spirit.
Re-quote,
(John 14:17) .... the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you.
In my opinion, our thought and expectation likely are biased by an expectation to see the returning of Jesus in a figure as seen every day by the disciples. So, we failed to recognize that Jesus has come back, not in the appearance like the one usually seen by the apostles, but, He has come back as the Holy Spirit.
What Jesus means by the world in John 14:17?
As are the many words of Jesus, the word “world” here may have multiple interpretations. I take two. The first meaning, “world” in the meaning of people in general. The second meaning, “world” in the meaning with physical eyes.
Here with the second, it means that with our naked physical eyes we cannot see Him.
We are expected to change over from the level of physical eyes to the level of soul’s eye. At the soul level, we may see and recognize Him. At the soul level, we may believe that Jesus has come back. Only, what we do not realize is, Jesus has come back as the Holy Spirit.
Jesus and the Father are one (John 10:30). Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one (Luke 1:35, John 14:17-18, John 14:28).
I believe, Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are one.
Thank you.
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Well, why don't you like St. Athanasious's "On the Incarnation"? You said that you were happy to learn that I hadn't finished reading it.
It's one thing to test your beliefs, it's another thing to recommend them over other's beliefs as you are testing them.
It's one thing to test your beliefs, it's another thing to recommend them over other's beliefs as you are testing them.
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May I recommend another bible passage? Luke 1:34-36 (KJV)
Also note how I included an appropriate approximation of the context of the passage?
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To be humble. My English is not good, I do limited reading, I have not read the book you suggest. I read the Bible in bahasa Indonesia. I was baptized by birth. I enjoyed my childhood around the church's activities. I was an atheist at 20-21 years old, by His way He called me back, then I understood that I need salvation. I choose Jesus and I eager to know more and more about Him. The doctrines of faith are not enough for me. So, I walk on my way, reading the Bible and especially the Gospel. I open myself to understand life and our existence. The birth of Christianity was at the time when Earth was flat, we now know that Earth is spherical; Earth is revolving the Sun, and the Sun is just one of the 300 billion stars in the Milky Way galaxy; and Milky Way is just one of the 2 trillion (?) galaxies in the Universe (where does God sit in the fastness of the universe (Matthew 20:21)?); science is also trying to say there are parallel universe. I bring my belief tested by every possible threads I can imagine, and, here I am still a Christian.
I am sorry, it is not my intention to test them. For me, Christianity is a long way going through John 14:6.
In that consciousness, Christianity is not a faith or religion that comes to force or that authorizes judgment. Christianity is also not a miracle cure that brings man to heaven.
From the side of God, Christianity is the guidance for man to come to know the true God.
For humans, Christianity is about the journey of life up the steps of recognition to find God's truth according to God's guidance (Matthew 6:33, John 14:6, John 16: 12-13).
Thank you.
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Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Malachi 3:6
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Therefore God cannot be different. And God The Father is the same as Jesus Christ. They are all the same entity and among each other. They were and will be eternal forever.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Malachi 3:6
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.
Therefore God cannot be different. And God The Father is the same as Jesus Christ. They are all the same entity and among each other. They were and will be eternal forever.
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I agree that God The Father is the same as Jesus Christ. But, is the LORD God (Genesis 3:22) is the same as God The Father that Jesus introduced us to know (John 17:3)?
Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exodus 34:14 Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
Deuteronomy 5:9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
Joshua 24:19 Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the Lord. He is a holy God; he is a jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins.
Is the Father a jealous God?
Is Jesus, a jealous God?
John 5:22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
John 8:11 “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”
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Yes, a different entity altogether.
Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.” 15 Moses built an altar and called it The Lord is my Banner. 16 He said, “Because hands were lifted up against the throne of the Lord, the Lord will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation.”
Joshua 1:1 After the death of Moses the servant of the Lord, the Lord said to Joshua son of Nun, Moses’ aide: 2 “Moses my servant is dead. Now then, you and all these people, get ready to cross the Jordan River into the land I am about to give to them—to the Israelites.
Joshua 6:21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.
I wonder if "the only true God ( John 17:3 )" or Jesus is the same with "the Lord" written in the above verses.
If I may ask based on Joshua 6:21, Where did the men and women, young and old, go?
For the answer, I am thinking of John 3:3, John 3:5, John 3:11, John 3:18.
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The reason I don't feel like God is different in any form is because He has never stated it. He is a God who has changed his mind about something in particular before, but it is something He has had in the back of His mind the entire time.
To answer your question more fully, I think God is the same no matter what. God is everything: meaning He has many different intentions than any of us because He is fulfilling His own plan. This includes his many different ways of dealing with things not because there is a different entity but because He is the entity. For example, those verses you have provided make Him seem like an unreasonable God to deal with. However, it is quite the opposite, He is declaring his dominance over everything and not going against anything He has said. His power and dominance is over all things and it's eternal. Period. If He states in the Bible that He is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, I feel like that should be enough to suffice.
I have no intention of trying to judge you in any way, but I don't think God wants you to try to read Him. If you do, it will only put you in more of a state of confusion and try to reason with everything He does. If He is everything, it's someone you don't want to try to read into.
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John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
John 17:3 says there is (or are) the untrue that men unknowingly worshipping as the true God. Men are being awaited to come to John 17:3. It may be the reason for the last words of John 6:40.
John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."
John 16:12-15 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you."
If men have known the true God before Jesus come, that what is the meaning of Matthew 11:27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
I think one of the many reasons Jesus come is to teach us come to know the true God.
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I agree. Jesus is God in human form though. God wanted to reveal Himself through Jesus in order to show us how we should act and a perfect example. He is saying that Jesus is the only way to Him because He is the human God. He was the one that died on the cross so we can get to Him after we pass away from Earth. I am still confused because you seemed to agree with me on this subject before this and said it wasn't about Jesus that you were confused on.
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It wasn't about Jesus.
It is about knowing the only true God, where we come to eternal life. ( John 17:3 )
A bit difference, Jesus was the human God. Now, He has returned to His glory. Jesus is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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So are we even disagreeing then? What are you claiming as far as there being a difference in Gods. I'm just trying to say that I believe there is only one deity. You seem to be making the same claim now.
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I looked at your post a second time. Whereas you are Catholic, I am a Christian. At least for a Christian's life, the only way to get to Heaven is through Christ. The entire Old Testament was about the lead up to Christ being born. The entire New Testament was about Jesus working miracles and when He went back into Heaven, they still talked about His importance on the Earth.
Jesus and God are the exact same, but you have to understand that Jesus came down to die for us, realize you have sinned and will continue to sin, and just believe. Jesus is the only way to Heaven, therefore it is definitely more important to believe in Jesus rather than God. (Even though everyone that believes in Jesus also believes in God).
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Perhaps this will help.
Focus on NAMES of God the Father in the OT...compare to...God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in the NT where only FATHER (pater) and GOD (theos) are used.
ONE in spiritual essence and nature....
THREE in SPIRITUAL identities as to NAME, RANK, ROLE, FUNCTION, MISSION, ETC,...
The simple and compound NAMES/TITLES of God the Father in the OT
(NIV / NASB versions of the Bible.)
A. ~YHWH = ~" I AM WHO I AM " = ~LORD = ~GOD = 'Yehovah ~ Jehovah = "Self Existent"
(e.g. Exodus 3:14; John 8:58; Hebrews 1:8)
B. Elohim = plural name: majestic and strong = (e.g. Genesis 1:26...Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness..."
C. Adonai = ~LORD = ~Master = (e.g. Gen 2:4 ...the LORD God made the earth and the heavens;
John 13:13 "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Matthew 22:44 " 'The LORD said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."
D. "El" = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. El Elyon = most high = strongest
2. El Roi = strong see-er
3. El Shaddai = Almighty God
4. El Olam = Everlasting God
D. "Jehovah (J.) " = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. J. Jireh = LORD will provide
2. J. Nissi = LORD my banner
3. J. Shalom = LORD is peace
4. J. Sabbaoth = LORD of hosts
5. J. Maccaddeshcem = LORD your sanctifier
6. J. Raah = LORD my shepherd
7. J. Tsidkenu = LORD our righteousness
8. J. El Gmolah = LORD GOD of recompense
9. J. Nakeh = LORD who smites
10. J. Shammah = LORD who is present
Jesus of Nazareth, (Nazarene): NAMES/titles
the DIVINE Messiah,
the Christ,
Son of God,
Son of Man,
the "Word" (logos) made flesh...DEITY!
LORD, Master, Savior, Immanuel
KING of Kings, LORD of Lords
Lamb of God
ONLY Begotten (not made, unique) Son of God
The Good Sheherd
The Bread of Life
The Light of the World
The Narrow Gate
The Resurrection and the Life
The Way + TRUTH + Life
etc...and other "I am's"
Colossians 2 ....
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity (TRUE GOD) dwells in bodily form, (TRUE MAN)
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Colossians 1 ....
18b...For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of Deity) to dwell in Him,
Colossians 1 ....
16 For by Him all things were created,
both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created THROUGH Him and FOR Him.
17 He is BEFORE all things, and
in Him all things "hold together".
18 He is also head of the body, the church;
and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of Deity) to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself,
having made peace through the blood of His cross;
John 17...
24 Father, I desire that they also (disciples), whom You have given Me,
be with Me where I am,
so that they may see My glory which You have given Me,
for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
God The Holy Spirit: NAMES...
"Spirit of Truth ...Comforter...Helper...Advocate..."paraclete"...""hagios pneuma"
the Comforter... Greek3875....parakletos....summoned, called to one's side...to one's aid
Spirit .... Greek 4151...pneuma...the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
A.sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit)
B.sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth")
C.never referred to as a depersonalised force
of Truth,...Greek 225...aletheia...the TRUTH as taught in the Christian religion,
1. respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and
2. respecting the duties of man,
3. opposing ...corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers...
John 14:16-17 (NASB) ...Jesus (God the Son) on: the Role of the God the Holy Spirit in the TRI-UNE GOD
I will ask (God) the Father, and He will give you another "Helper" (God the Holy Spirit),
that He may be with you forever;
>>that is... the Spirit of Truth,<<
Focus on NAMES of God the Father in the OT...compare to...God the Son and God the Holy Spirit in the NT where only FATHER (pater) and GOD (theos) are used.
ONE in spiritual essence and nature....
THREE in SPIRITUAL identities as to NAME, RANK, ROLE, FUNCTION, MISSION, ETC,...
The simple and compound NAMES/TITLES of God the Father in the OT
(NIV / NASB versions of the Bible.)
A. ~YHWH = ~" I AM WHO I AM " = ~LORD = ~GOD = 'Yehovah ~ Jehovah = "Self Existent"
(e.g. Exodus 3:14; John 8:58; Hebrews 1:8)
B. Elohim = plural name: majestic and strong = (e.g. Genesis 1:26...Then God said, "Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness..."
C. Adonai = ~LORD = ~Master = (e.g. Gen 2:4 ...the LORD God made the earth and the heavens;
John 13:13 "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am.
Matthew 22:44 " 'The LORD said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet."
D. "El" = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. El Elyon = most high = strongest
2. El Roi = strong see-er
3. El Shaddai = Almighty God
4. El Olam = Everlasting God
D. "Jehovah (J.) " = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. J. Jireh = LORD will provide
2. J. Nissi = LORD my banner
3. J. Shalom = LORD is peace
4. J. Sabbaoth = LORD of hosts
5. J. Maccaddeshcem = LORD your sanctifier
6. J. Raah = LORD my shepherd
7. J. Tsidkenu = LORD our righteousness
8. J. El Gmolah = LORD GOD of recompense
9. J. Nakeh = LORD who smites
10. J. Shammah = LORD who is present
Jesus of Nazareth, (Nazarene): NAMES/titles
the DIVINE Messiah,
the Christ,
Son of God,
Son of Man,
the "Word" (logos) made flesh...DEITY!
LORD, Master, Savior, Immanuel
KING of Kings, LORD of Lords
Lamb of God
ONLY Begotten (not made, unique) Son of God
The Good Sheherd
The Bread of Life
The Light of the World
The Narrow Gate
The Resurrection and the Life
The Way + TRUTH + Life
etc...and other "I am's"
Colossians 2 ....
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity (TRUE GOD) dwells in bodily form, (TRUE MAN)
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Colossians 1 ....
18b...For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of Deity) to dwell in Him,
Colossians 1 ....
16 For by Him all things were created,
both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created THROUGH Him and FOR Him.
17 He is BEFORE all things, and
in Him all things "hold together".
18 He is also head of the body, the church;
and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of Deity) to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself,
having made peace through the blood of His cross;
John 17...
24 Father, I desire that they also (disciples), whom You have given Me,
be with Me where I am,
so that they may see My glory which You have given Me,
for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
God The Holy Spirit: NAMES...
"Spirit of Truth ...Comforter...Helper...Advocate..."paraclete"...""hagios pneuma"
the Comforter... Greek3875....parakletos....summoned, called to one's side...to one's aid
Spirit .... Greek 4151...pneuma...the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
A.sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the "Holy" Spirit)
B.sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of "Truth")
C.never referred to as a depersonalised force
of Truth,...Greek 225...aletheia...the TRUTH as taught in the Christian religion,
1. respecting God and the execution of his purposes through Christ, and
2. respecting the duties of man,
3. opposing ...corrupt opinions and precepts of false teachers...
John 14:16-17 (NASB) ...Jesus (God the Son) on: the Role of the God the Holy Spirit in the TRI-UNE GOD
I will ask (God) the Father, and He will give you another "Helper" (God the Holy Spirit),
that He may be with you forever;
>>that is... the Spirit of Truth,<<
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I agree with you in this "I'm just trying to say that I believe there is only one deity." However, because of John 17:3, it's my priority to know the only true God.
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