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It is beyond a "clean-up". You are claiming a lying God. I predicted that you would go this route. You wanted to know when you crossed the line. You have more than crossed that line.
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Noah's Ark
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Two problems there. (1) Such up-welling would leave physical evidence of both the up-welling and subsidence that would have to occur. There is no such geologic evidence. (2) Such a process over such a short time would make the earth completely molten and it would still be in that state today.
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Yes, indeed.
God also re-floraled the earth ... as attested to the fact that the dove brought back an olive leaf.
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Noahs Ark, story, could mean a lot more that what it looks like from a literal stand-point.
Could be that God was trying to tell us something much like Jesus, Son of God did in his parables:
Matthew 13:10-15
10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says:
‘You shall indeed hear but never understand,
and you shall indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and their ears are heavy of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should perceive with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their heart,
and turn for me to heal them.’
Could be that God was trying to tell us something much like Jesus, Son of God did in his parables:
Matthew 13:10-15
10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says:
‘You shall indeed hear but never understand,
and you shall indeed see but never perceive.
15 For this people’s heart has grown dull,
and their ears are heavy of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should perceive with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their heart,
and turn for me to heal them.’
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Just out of curiosity, when God did this:
Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
... did He leave blood stains around? and did Adam walk around with a scar?
In your opinion.
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If magic is the answer then the whole story is pointless. He could have simple magicked the Earth to get rid of people
AV, when did the magic stop?
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You do know that there is an easy and appropriate answer to that question, don't you?
ETA: You also need to learn what an opinion is. It is not just his opinion.
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Works great. Read the account. It doesn't say Mt. Everest was covered, only the "high hills".
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It really doesnt matter, the physics and math doesnt work either way.
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A nihilist who cares.
Firstly, I dont care about the bible as Im an atheist. Secondly, most christians does not belive the bible claims that.
And its you who do claim it so the burden of proof is on you.
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Which translation do you prefer? Some say the mountains. A local flood, which you seem to be proposing, would mean that an ark was not needed.
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It's all "magic", everything.
Your post makes no sense. AV has been using the "it was magic" or "it was miracles" argument, they are one and the same. When did the miracles stop, if you prefer that word.
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I'm thinking more of giant lava domes under the sea floor that lift and displace the sea waters.
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By the way, here is the NIV translation, it says "all the high mountains":
17 For forty daysBR)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-177BR" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.BS)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-179BS" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.
17 For forty daysBR)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-177BR" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.BS)" data-cr="#cen-NIV-179BS" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-size: 0.625em; line-height: 22px; position: relative; vertical-align: top; top: 0px;"> 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.
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