How is the bible the word of God?

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I understand what you mean. But its exactly this that makes the bible not the literal word of God and something to be interpreted differently, metaphorically or what have you. I mean I can force myself daily to repeat and reinforce that this is true this is what happened. But ultimately I wasn't there then.
And when you pass along information it's always lost its original meaning by the time it gets to the 10th person. An people living 900 plus years. Created from a Rib. Parting sea's.

Sure the bible is accurate in a historical sense because those people actually lived in those times. Which only confirms that the authors were alive in that time period. It doesn't however confirm that it is the word of God. This is where I struggle in my belief. Part of me has been dead set on it and now I am questioning because I like to analyze things. If we do not question then are we not following blindly?
So make it simple.

Look at the life, death and resurection of Jesus.
Historians accept that jesus lived, most accept that he was exceuted and most accept that thetomb he was burried in was found to be empty.

Look at the disciples, Peter nearly wet himself trying to distance himself grom Jesus, yet a few weeks later he is telling the Jewish ruling council that he could only preach that Jesus was alive. Why did he change?
Is this late inventions? Nonsence, only fools believe that. Sir William Eamsey dug up much of the area covered by Acts, the result of his investigations was that Luke was always accuracte when he name offical titles, government organisations and political assosiations.
If Luke is accurate on geography and politics he is also accurate in his reporting of the life of Jesus.
 
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Personally I do not believe the bible to be the word of God, I think it's just another tool to rule, and keep people in a box. I believe in God and I believe in Satan and satanism and certainly in the evil inside man, but I find it impossible to think that this book could possibly be the word of god especially when you consider how many gospels were edited out by the people who apparently know better, the book reeks of freemasonry and Judaism in my humble opinion.
 
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This question came up to me today and I have to say that I haven't read my bible in at least a week or two. I'm still not of the world. I still see the satanism in this world. But I do not see how the bible is the actual word of God. It's always seemed to me like a sort of book of law. Don't do this. You can do this. Etc. A foundation on which to live a moral life.

However, I do not see how God could have breathed this book. I can see men writing the book.
I don't see how God would of instructed them each on exactly what word to write... Again to me it seems people were out of control back then. So a method was devised to make it more moral and authoritative. When I was a kid my Step dad told me he put camera's up in the house to make sure I didn't leave my room when I was grounded. It actually worked. "Always watching." Now I'm starting to see the bible in the same way.

How much longer do we sit idle while pedophiles traumatize children across the world?
Drug cartels killing innocent people?
When the actual basis of warfare is deception who then will instruct warfare in the holy spectrum if Satan is the father of deception? Is all warfare of Satan? Clearly not if the bible ordains it.
Saying there is a time to kill, a season for this etc...
I find it hard to keep praying when every fiber in my body wants to exact proper justice on the truly wicked. But no we as Christians have to hit our knee's and pray it away.
Meanwhile the cycle continues. An Jesus is always coming right around the corner.
Forgive me for my current lack of faith. Some things have come up and I am in distress.

God magnifies His word above His name: "I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name for Your loving kindness and Your truth, for You have magnified Your word above all Your name." (Psalm 138:2)

The nature and character of God's Name is revealed through His Word. The Bible, the Word of God, reveals the God behind His Name. God could never let His Word, for all to read, be anything less than complete truth, to be perfect compass for us in this world. Even we, on failing Earth, know that a person is as good as his word is. Imagine what standards God has for His own Word, in His perfection. That's why God's Word magnifies His Name, and is above His name.

Also, remember how it all began: "In the beginning there was the Word." I think God values the word highly than we can ever imagine. It's impossible for us to get from Him, as an account of His Word, anything less than absolute truth.
 
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especially when you consider how many gospels were edited out by the people

This didn't happen. I would highly recommend doing some basic reading and study on the history of the biblical canon and how it developed over the course of the history of Christianity.

-CryptoLuthearn
 
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Personally I do not believe the bible to be the word of God, I think it's just another tool to rule, and keep people in a box. I believe in God and I believe in Satan and satanism and certainly in the evil inside man, but I find it impossible to think that this book could possibly be the word of god especially when you consider how many gospels were edited out by the people who apparently know better, the book reeks of freemasonry and Judaism in my humble opinion.

I take it that you have taken the time to do your own research? I mean actually checked out the evidence for yourself, rather than read what someone who claims to know, and accept this. For starters I suggest you take a look at this article, Is Simon Greenleaf Still Relevant? - CSI There is a staggering amount of evidence to show that the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, are indeed the Word of Almighty God. One very important witness to the Divine Inspiration of the Bible, are the prophecies that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ, which would be impossible, if the Bible were not the Word of God. See here, Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies - Jews for Jesus
 
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I take it that you have taken the time to do your own research? I mean actually checked out the evidence for yourself, rather than read what someone who claims to know, and accept this. For starters I suggest you take a look at this article, Is Simon Greenleaf Still Relevant? - CSI There is a staggering amount of evidence to show that the 66 Books of the Holy Bible, are indeed the Word of Almighty God. One very important witness to the Divine Inspiration of the Bible, are the prophecies that were fulfilled in the life of Jesus Christ, which would be impossible, if the Bible were not the Word of God. See here, Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies - Jews for Jesus
Yep I don't blindly believe in anything, I just don't think the bible stands up to scrutiny that's all, and I think it was written by Jews for Jews.
 
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It is a pretty good bet that the Jewish literature was written by Jews, and Chinese by Chinese, and Indian holy books by Indians.
Yes, I can see where it is very believable that the Bible was written by Jews.
 
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RESPONSE TO POSTS 19+20:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But a "natural" (unsaved) man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (discerned)
 
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Yep I don't blindly believe in anything, I just don't think the bible stands up to scrutiny that's all, and I think it was written by Jews for Jews.

you make a very bold statement about the Word of God, "I just don't think the bible stands up to scrutiny that's all", which requires some justification. Can you provide some examples of this "scrutiny" where the Bible has failed?
 
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PONDER THIS:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But a "natural" (UNSAVED) man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.(discerned)

God the Holy Spirit inspired (God breathed) AND superintended the "writing" of the Bible using 44 imperfect men who "produced" 66 "books". BUT they were SPIRIT-LED! The apostolic authors NT had PERFECT SPRIT-LED RECALL!

The Bible is God's spiritual "OWNERS MANUAL". It is "scriptura suprema".

You must be spiritually changed, saved per John 3 explained in Ephesians 2...in order to have SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT.
 
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lol I didn't come here to debate the entire page on this issue, I was merely giving my humble opinion on the question posed.
I'm just not going to put my faith in a book written by god knows who, god knows when and accept it as nothing but the truth, and when I say by Jews for Jews I mean as a tool of social control, think Rothschild. I mean it stands to reason that the Jews are gods chosen people in the book they wrote, but if you read the Jewish holy scriptures you'll see what they really think of us 'gentiles' and armed with that knowledge I won't be cornered into a belief system by a book that is literally thousands of years old, and written by people that think I'm an animal. God is in us all, he loves us all, he is neither jealous or murderous as the bible would have you believe.
Also quoting the bible to me is not going to convince me that it's legit.
This will be my last comment on this thread, because I don't feel the need to get into a theological debate, do with it what you will, have a blessed day :praying:
 
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I don't see how God would of instructed them each on exactly what word to write... ....

Bible tells that people have written it, at least mostly. They have written as they have witnessed or heard. Like for example Luke tells:

Since many have undertaken to set in order a narrative concerning those matters which have been fulfilled among us, even as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having traced the course of all things accurately from the first, to write to you in order, most excellent Theophilus;
Luke 1:1-3

But I believe God has guided those people to write as they did. Without God’s guidance, I think we would have much simpler book.
 
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This question came up to me today and I have to say that I haven't read my bible in at least a week or two. I'm still not of the world. I still see the satanism in this world. But I do not see how the bible is the actual word of God. It's always seemed to me like a sort of book of law. Don't do this. You can do this. Etc. A foundation on which to live a moral life.

It is usually those who don't read their Bible often, who aren't careful students of God's word, who view it as merely a "book of law." The commands of God are contained in the Bible, to be sure, but there is a great deal more in its pages besides.

I think the Bible is the divinely-inspired word of God for a number of reasons:

1. Fulfilled prophecy.
2. Thematic unity.
3. Historical/archaeological accuracy.
4. Survivability.
5. Impact on cultures and individual lives.

However, I do not see how God could have breathed this book. I can see men writing the book.

Is God confined to what you can and can't see?

Again to me it seems people were out of control back then. So a method was devised to make it more moral and authoritative.

And your support for this conjecture is?

How much longer do we sit idle while pedophiles traumatize children across the world?
Drug cartels killing innocent people?
When the actual basis of warfare is deception who then will instruct warfare in the holy spectrum if Satan is the father of deception? Is all warfare of Satan? Clearly not if the bible ordains it.
Saying there is a time to kill, a season for this etc...

"Vengeance is mine," says the Lord, "I will repay." (He. 10:30) Can you trust God to enact proper, perfect justice upon the wicked in His own good time?

I find it hard to keep praying when every fiber in my body wants to exact proper justice on the truly wicked.

Says the guy who doesn't read his Bible much and thinks its just another book written by humans. I suspect there is a correlation between your desire to "exact proper justice" and your dim view of the Bible. And not a good correlation, either.

But no we as Christians have to hit our knee's and pray it away.
Meanwhile the cycle continues. An Jesus is always coming right around the corner.
Forgive me for my current lack of faith. Some things have come up and I am in distress.

God is active in the world right now protecting the innocent and seeing justice done upon the wicked. He doesn't stop all hurt and harm of the innocent, nor does He intend to set all things right this side of the Final Judgment. But He does still act, at times, to curtail evil and guard the defenseless and innocent. Will you trust Him to act in the perfect way and time? This is the real issue that you face, I think (and gaining a better understanding of God's word).
 
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and when I say by Jews for Jews I mean as a tool of social control, think Rothschild.

Initially your antagonistic statements against Jews sounded Marcionite, but frankly it's starting to come across as increasingly more antisemitic and conspiratorial.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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SaintNick, .. I could like others quote this or that.. all are good. Ask Christ.. JESUS is real. Ask Him to open your eyes when you read it.. tell Him just how you feel. JESUS IS REAL! To the world.. its a stupid book on and on.. all truth is hidden from them. Jesus is real. It will .. for me.. its ALIVE!
 
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A very good question. And one I asked some 20 years ago. I will only speak for myself here as I answer.

First, to understand what the Bible is, you must seek out it's history. In the early Christian era (1-3 century, pre Nicene) there were many many books of the Gospel. Jesus taught thousands over a 3 year period, and the educated (those who could read and write) Christian wrote many books on the Gospel message.

There was a great division in the 2nd century of the catholic ideology and dualist ideology. Marcion, Valentinus, as well as Arians, Marcosians and others saw the dual God theory as what Christ spoke of.
(John 8:44, John 10:8 and others). Marcions Antithesis explained why 2 gods existed. One of the physical creation, imperfect, ignorant and the reason the body dies, and the one Jesus said was his Father, who was perfect, spirit, and had no ties to "this world" other than to save mens soul through (real) Truth).

Jesus told us to see their fruits. With the power of Rome (physically), the Nicene Creed made the religion of catholics the religion of Rome. All others would be exiled or destroyed as heretical (against catholic thought). It was through this process that the Holy? Catholic church made the Bible the law of the land (Rome).

No other religion considered the Hebrew Scriptures Gospel Truth. They saw them as a time before Truth and Light came. But it behooved Rome and the Catholics to combine both, as it benefited Rome and the Catholics, because Jews made up one tenth of the Roman army. In the early Christian period, Christians were slaughtered by Jews and Rome alike because they were sheep, would not fight in any army, and would not consider Caesar their king like the Jews did (John 19:15).

When the Catholics translated the Bible into Latin, they took what Truth was in it to their own advantage. Like doctors and lawyers, only the elitist could read and teach it. During the time the Bible was in Latin only was almost some 800 years (after the fall of Rome). These were also the Dark Ages of History when man regressed rather than progressed.

Once John Wycliffe ( as well as William Tyndale) translated the Bible into English and German (starting in the 1300s), both were killed by the Catholic's by decree of the Pope. They were considered heretics and their writings destroyed. One reason was because William Tyndale's translation showed fallacies in the celestial authority the Catholics taught they had. Especially in the translated words for Priests, Bishops and Church.

I'll stop here. But if you seek, you should find where most all Christian religions today are God and Mammon, because the physical portrayal is sought more than the spiritual truth. The sword Jesus brought cuts completely, not just half way.

I'll stop here as there are many times the Catholic Popes showed their ignorance of Gospel truth through their actions. Here's just one.

Pope Urban II in the 10th century said this to crusaders getting ready for battle:

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested."

The Bible also was brought to you from the Catholics as the Word of God.

Many believe the Catholics speak for God. I don't. They're just as fallible as any man.
It's an interesting narrative, but it seems slightly off to me, an Orthodox Inquirer.
Maybe Protestants really are a sect of the Roman Catholics. I heard that once as a joke, but a lot of people really seem to orient themselves that way. I hope that doesn't sound bad.
 
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It's an interesting narrative, but it seems slightly off to me, an Orthodox Inquirer.
Maybe Protestants really are a sect of the Roman Catholics. I heard that once as a joke, but a lot of people really seem to orient themselves that way. I hope that doesn't sound bad.

Nothing sounds bad to me. I only offer a perspective, my own.

Rome controlled the world (empire). The Roman church now controls as Rome controlled. Their way or no way type thinking. Like the results of the empire, many Christians died by Rome. For over 400 years. Many who were in disagreement with the Roman (catholic) religion.

Remember, to convene the counsel of Nicea, Constantine sent invitation to the 1800 church leaders throughout the empire. He offered room, board and travel free. 300 showed up. When even a few objected to the catholic proposal, they were exiled by Constantine.
 
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