The RC's are the largest denomination..but they do not follow the Bible in many instances, is that wrong?
Roman Catholic..anything wrong with it?
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Roman Catholics do view themselves as following the Bible faithfully, according to their understanding. And while we Lutherans do have real differences with them, it would be a mistake for me to see them as not taking the Bible seriously.
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They add so much to the Bible that it is not funny. I could barely begin to list the additional doctrines that the Popes have enacted over time.
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They support their doctrines with Scriptures, though. That's far different from "adding to the Bible". I'm not saying that makes them right, but it's more complicated than what you are implying.
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I will ignore alot of what you said because its just silly and not worth my time (where in the Bible's original manuscripts is the canon of Scriptures actually defined?), but as a Lutheran I am confident in saying Catholics do not believe in justification by works. Their official doctrine is "justification by faith formed by love".
We also acknowledge the bodily presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper, so you really can't persuade me it's from "Mithraism". What part of "this is my body" is unclear?
We also acknowledge the bodily presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper, so you really can't persuade me it's from "Mithraism". What part of "this is my body" is unclear?
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Of course it is wrong to not follow the Bible, but naturally they will disagree with you about whether they are doing that. In Matthew 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees for having a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe their own traditions, and I think the same criticism should be applied to Roman Catholics.
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I agree to disagree on the matter. I believe the Bible to be a closed canon because of the end of the book of Revelation.
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But you can't even find a defined list of the biblical canon in the Bible itself.
Lutherans are honest enough to admit we have an open canon- the Bible we have is not necessarily an exhaustive list of inspired writings.
As a Lutheran I believe the Bible is sufficient to instruct me in what I need to know to believe in Jesus Christ as my savior. But that doesn't mean it is the best way to be a Christian for everybody, merely the best way for me. And that's what ultimately matters, the message that God in Christ is for me. If my brothers and sisters in the Catholic church love the Lord, who am I to judge them? . They have the same baptism that I do, confesses the same creeds I do, after all.
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Amen. But what does that really say? You think the Word is circumscribed by ink and paper in the 17th century?
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I do not agree with all of the tenets of Roman Catholicism, but neither have I ever agreed with all of the tenets of any church I have attended. To say they are wrong, seems very uncharitable to these fellow Christians. To say they do not follow the Bible is wrong. More properly, perhaps it could be said they follow the Bible plus some things in addition to it. On the surface of it, saying they do not follow the Bible is absurd for they gave us the Bible through decision of what texts were inspired and what were not. They shaped and preserved the faith for over a thousand years before all of us Johnny-come-lately faith practices began to think we had a better or different idea. They deserve more honor in the Christian household than they are given in many places that speak against them, including threads such as this.
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Not always. Some of the most controversial doctrines are based upon Tradition instead of Scripture and have no Biblical basis whatsoever. They are defended by the unprovable claim that such was what the Apostles taught--or the church since its beginning--ergo, they must be true.
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For people who do not follow the Bible they sure made a lot of copies of the originals. Our beloved King James Version was based on the first printed manuscript of the original Greek, Textus Receptus, produced by a Catholic scholar. There are some issues with ecclesiastical (church) authority, their councils and their popes. But no self respecting Catholic would deny the authority of Scripture, they have worked tirelessly to preserve it and cherish it as all Christians should.
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I'll give you that. However, it doesn't address the real issue.
To say that the RCC doesn't believe in the Bible would be wrong, that's true. But she insists that there is something else that is as authoritative as the Bible. If you think that way, you are automatically casting doubt upon the completeness, or relevance, or the sufficiency of the Bible.
To say that the RCC doesn't believe in the Bible would be wrong, that's true. But she insists that there is something else that is as authoritative as the Bible. If you think that way, you are automatically casting doubt upon the completeness, or relevance, or the sufficiency of the Bible.
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Paul would say you are mistaken. Romans 14:5-6
The Sabbath is no more a requirement of God than sacrificing a bull is
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