It is better to be wrong and be able to be...?

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the problem is not everyone has the ability to realize when they're wrong.

I'd suggest what is needed is an attitude to realize one can be wrong. And then to admit it, first to oneself, then to others.

Our thinking and reasoning is based on underlying assumptions. Most of us have not really examined our assumptions, and many of us don't really know what they all are. If we are going to be serious about our growth in the truth, then we need to hold our assumptions lightly, knowing what they are. Realize that others hold assumptions that are probably (as a set) different from ours, and that this can be at the heart of differences of opinion. If I am willing to listen well to others, and willing to test what they say against my assumptions, I can also learn to adjust my assumption to take on ideas and insights that will bring me to a better grasp of truth.

There are things I don't know I don't know.
There are things I know I don't know
There are things I know I know
There are things I don't know I know.

The trick is to know what is what. ;)
 
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There are things I don't know I don't know.
There are things I know I don't know
There are things I know I know
There are things I don't know I know.

Then there are things I pretend to know; things I insist I know (but don't);
There are things I pretend not to know, but know very well.

And there are loads of things that I can't figure out. Yet!
 
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Sometimes one's back is against the wall and a decision must be made on the spot. That situation calls for black and white thinking. Given a little time to mull things over without the emotional stress of the situation things can seem less clear cut. Maybe both sides are a little right and a little wrong. It is difficult to be the person to admit that and open up a negotiation. It is difficult to own up to having been wrong or even to being 'a bit wrong' or 'not entirely right'. I guess pride and ego are the cause of that. I feel that admitting it to God is a good start and praying that God will convict the other party to also look for a way back into communication and forgiveness.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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I believe it's better to disassociate yourself , your salvation with controversial topics. Controversial in the sense of being grey areas rather than the black and white areas. I believe as some ancient manuscripts claim Jude 1:5 (Jesus=LORD) was born 100% human, lived - died (by execution) and was resurrected in the flesh. It's one of the greatest claims made in the Bible. If we were one of the 500 so witnesses, we could touch Him as plain as day as we could touch each other.

As far as I understand it's reasonable for us to argue about anything else, with the hope that either of us are being moderate within what we claim as truth.
 
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I like "The Lion". He asks simple questions that demand difficult and complex answers.

KEY WORD: "humbly"...lost/unknown spiritual attribute

RE: "humility" / "humble"

I "humbly" submit the following research. That's where I start.
Next Steps: spiritually discern the ABSOLUTE TRUTHS therein and apply them to your life.

"humility"...not unfairly glorifying one's own self?
HUMILITY: the quality or state of being humble (dictionary)
Synonyms: demureness, down-to-earthness, humbleness, lowliness, meekness, modesty

"humility"
occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the (ALL) NASB

Proverbs 15:33
Proverbs 18:12
Proverbs 22:4
Zephaniah 2:3
Acts 20:19
Ephesians 4:2
Philipians 2:3
Colosians 3:12
James 1:21
1 Peter 5:5

"humble"
occurs 49 times in 48 verses in the NASB

A Few:

2 Chronicles 7:14...the Reagan prayer ,.
14 and My people who are called by My name
HUMBLE themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways,
then I will hear from heaven,
will forgive their sin and will heal their land

Proverbs 11:2...pride vs the humble

Proverbs 29:23

1 Peter 5:6...
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,

Here's my favorites:

Philipians 2:3(NASB)...Believers: Be Like Christ
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit,
but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves;

1 Peter 5:5...1 Peter 5 (NASB)...Serve God Willingly
You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders;
and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward "one another",(fellow believers)
for "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

Proverbs 22:4(NASB) On Life and Conduct
The reward of humility and the fear of the Lord
Are riches, honor and life.

From Catholic (RCC) teachings:

#7 HUMILITY (Humilitas) ....Bravery, modesty, reverence, altruism
OPPOSES: g. PRIDE (Superbia)
MEANING: Modest behavior, selflessness, and the giving of respect.
Humility is not thinking less of yourself, it is thinking of yourself less. It is a spirit of self-examination;
a hermeneutic of suspicion toward yourself and charity toward people you disagree with.
The courage of the heart necessary to undertake tasks which are difficult, tedious or unglamorous,
and to graciously accept the sacrifices involved.
Reverence for those who have wisdom and those who selflessly teach in love.
Giving credit where credit is due;
not unfairly glorifying one's own self.
Being faithful to promises, no matter how big or small they may be.
Refraining from despair and the ability to confront fear and uncertainty, or intimidation.

PRIDE:...the antithesis of HUMILITY?...one of the 7 "DEADLY SINS"!
E.g....Mark 7: 20-23 (NASB)...Jesus: The Natural "heart" / Tendancies of Man...ONE of them is Pride.
Pride was the "sin" that separated the top angel Lucifer from God.
Satan "thought" / willed that he could be a spirit-being superior to God..."I will rise above..."

"PRIDE"
occurs 55 times in 51 verses in the NASB
A couple..

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before stumbling.

1 John 2: 15-17...Do Not Love the World
Do not love the world nor the things in the world.
If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.For all that is in the world,
1. the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and
the boastful PRIDE of life, (~="SIN NATURE")
is not from the Father, but is from the "world".(kozmos)
The world is passing away, and also its lusts;
but the one who does the "will of God" lives forever.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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It is impossible for one to know everything and always be right. If I say nothing, that is not the same as saying the right thing. If I did no wrong, but did no right, I am in trouble. To knowingly lie is a sin as is consistently guessing wrong.

Those who insist on defending false statements create problems. Finding correction is not easy if a person has a conflict of interest. Upon realizing one has made a false statement, one may confess it and set the record straight. Such is repentance.

Who can be humble? Jesus washed the feet of his disciples. He fed and healed people. He sought God's calling. While others sought to attain a lifestyle similar to that of the rich and famous, Jesus lived an austere lifestyle. Jesus spent enough in training others that his legacy was assured.
 
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RESPONSE TO POST #27: Q1: ..."Jesus lived an austere lifestyle. Jesus spent enough in training others that his legacy was assured..."

A1: "LIFESTYLE?"..."LEGACY?"
You make Jesus the God-Man sound like a politician!

Here are some of His completed "missions":

Jesus the Christ, The Divine Messiah, Son of God, Son of Man, True God-Man
CHANGED the world because of HIS "works" / "words" / missions:
1. Message...spiritually true WORDS
2. Miracles...spiritual and super-natural ACTS to AUTHENTICATE His message AND:
3. Prophesies...spiritual fore-sight
4. Teaching...of spiritual principles, sometimes in parables
5. Preaching...the Law and interpreting it, adding precepts, warning unbelievers
6. Ministry...a perfect example to follow...sin free

Matthew 20:28
just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

1 Corinthians 15:3... Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (JESUS) for the unjust (US),
so that He might bring us to God,(RECONCILIATION!)
having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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Peace,

God Bless!

Pride is such a negative human trait.. A curse to anyone afflicted by it...

Being humble and easy to correct is a great blessing..
 
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RESPONSE TO POST #27: Q1: ..."Jesus lived an austere lifestyle. Jesus spent enough in training others that his legacy was assured..."

A1: "LIFESTYLE?"..."LEGACY?"
You make Jesus the God-Man sound like a politician!
Through Jesus' political activism, he put his life at risk. The chief priests and Herod were seeing people were leaving them and following Jesus. He was implicated them as evil doers. They did not want him. Jesus is a teacher, healer and prophet. He did not use his powers to secure a big house in the wealthiest district of Jerusalem. He came to be light for the nations.

Isaiah 42 (World English Bible - public domain)
1 Behold, my servant, whom I uphold; my chosen, in whom my soul delights— I have put my Spirit on him. He will bring justice to the nations.
2 He will not shout, nor raise his voice, nor cause it to be heard in the street.
3 He won't break a bruised reed. He won't quench a dimly burning wick. He will faithfully bring justice.
4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, until he has set justice in the earth, and the islands will wait for his law.
5 Thus says God Yahweh, he who created the heavens and stretched them out, he who spread out the earth and that which comes out of it, he who gives breath to its people and spirit to those who walk in it.
6 I, Yahweh, have called you in righteousness, and will hold your hand, and will keep you, and make you a covenant for the people, as a light for the nations;
7 to open the blind eyes, to bring the prisoners out of the dungeon, and those who sit in darkness out of the prison.
8 I am Yahweh. That is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to engraved images.
9 Behold, the former things have happened, and I declare new things. I tell you about them before they come up.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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I think it's a false equivalence. It's not about which is better - if you are wrong, learn. If you believe you're right, state your side and listen to what comes back. Decide for yourself - settle in your own heart - what you'll believe is true. We often have an incomplete picture so being willing to listen to something that, on the surface seems contrary, can sometimes help fill in the picture.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...
Obviously being wrong and insisting that you're right is a bad thing.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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God Bless!
I was wrong once because I thought I was wrong but I really wasn't. LOL
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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Peace,

God Bless!

As long as I am correct it is ok to be wrong... ;)
 
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:) Everyone makes mistakes. Peter did more than once. We can be eager to gain more understanding, and grateful when someone, anyone has a piece for us.

Perhaps it is possible to learn something good from almost anyone you meet in any place, including small children also.
 
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KEY WORD: "humbly"...lost/unknown spiritual attribute

We often think of Jesus' humility in terms presented in Philippians 2. He did not think that it was "robbery to be like God; but made himself of no reputation....and...as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

But it occured to me just now that maybe we can understand a little better his humility in his leadership style, especially after his resurrection. Having demonstrated the fickleness of the disciples and the power of God in his own resurrection, he did not hold on to the direct detailed control of his team, but handed over to them the responsibility for carrying out his mission, calling them friends, viewing them as ambassadors, giving them access to the Spirit, giving them authority.... and (as from the very beginning) allowing them to make (significant) mistakes. God who is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent as well as love itself, in that love makes himself humble in giving us a role in his long term purpose.

but with humility of mind regard one another as more important than yourselves

Jesus, our LORD, has never asked us to do or be something he is not, or has not done himself.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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I find some people won't accept their wrong, about gay people.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

Many gay people have that better than most Christians.


And everyone sins, and continues to.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
 
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I try to be honest and admit when I'm wrong, but also try hard to know when I am right and defend it...?

It's a difficult balance...

God Bless!
We make the assumption that Truth needs to be defended. Not so. It is the Truth that defends us. If we err, Truth will eventually let us know. If we spoke the Truth, the Truth will stand by us and defend us.
 
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It is better to be wrong and be able to be humbly corrected,(and become better and grow), than to insist you are right when you could be, or are, wrong (and could be stunting your growth)...

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Absolutely agree.
 
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