Is salvation by faith alone, or by faith plus works

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Yes, insofar as post #297 above says.

But some Christians mistakenly say "the TC are NC law" [i.e. the Ten Commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are part of the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ] means we have to keep the letter of the sabbath of the Old Covenant Mosaic law.

But the truth is that Christians, whether Jews or Gentiles, don't have to keep the sabbath of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law. For even the letter of the 10 commandments written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13) was part of the abolished Old Covenant Mosaic law's ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:6-7, Exodus 31:15b), which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) ministration of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-18), in which Christians are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law and keep the spirit (Romans 7:6) of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments by loving others (Romans 13:8-10).

Saying Christians have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath is just as mistaken as saying Christians have to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision (Acts 15:1-11). If Christians keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath thinking they have to because it's part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, they're as fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4) as Christians who keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law circumcision thinking they have to because it's part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 5:2). They've become debtors to perform the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 5:3). They've placed themselves under its curse (Galatians 3:10, Deuteronomy 27:26).

So no Christian should ever desire to go back into bondage under the letter of any part of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8). Christians need to keep the sabbath only in spirit, not in the letter (Romans 7:6). Christians must never judge other Christians for not keeping the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath (Colossians 2:16), which letter was abolished on the New Covenant Cross of Jesus Christ along with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Colossians 2:14-17, Ephesians 2:15-16, Romans 7:6, Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b, Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).

For its letter was merely a shadow; now it all comes down to Jesus Christ Himself (Colossians 2:17). Jesus' New Covenant sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28-30), which all Christians enter by faith (Hebrews 4:3-4), exceeds in righteousness (cf. Matthew 5:20) the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic-law sabbath. For under the New Covenant sabbath, Christians must cease from their own works, as in those done apart from abiding in Jesus (John 15:4-5), every day of the week (Hebrews 4:3,10, Luke 9:23). And they can esteem every day of the week (Romans 14:5).

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Also, Christians should be worshipping God every day of the week (Hebrews 13:15, cf. Psalms 145:2). And they should be meeting together every day of the week (Hebrews 3:13, Hebrews 10:25), at least in some fashion (Matthew 18:20), such as on this forum. The early Church started assembling together on the Lord's day (commonly called Sunday) instead of on the sabbath (commonly called Saturday) because the Lord's day, the first day of the week, was the day on which Jesus Christ physically resurrected (Mark 16:9) from the dead: "no longer observing the sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him" (Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, chapter 9. Ignatius was a contemporary of John the apostle. Compare John's reference to "the Lord's day" in Revelation 1:10).

But it's not a requirement for Christians to assemble together only on the Lord's day or to esteem the Lord's day above every other day of the week. It's also okay for Christians to choose to assemble together on the sabbath because they esteem the sabbath above every other day of the week. It's also okay for Christians to esteem every day of the week (Romans 14:5). Christians are never to judge each other over this matter but are simply to do what they believe Jesus Christ wants them as individuals to do (Romans 14:4-13). So the point isn't for Christians to esteem days but to focus on the person of Jesus Himself (Colossians 2:16-17).

Also, how do those who think they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath, keep the letter of the sabbath of Leviticus 25?
The letter of the TC was part of the abolished OC law?
Wow!!!!!

How can what has been written on your mind and placed on your heart been abolished???

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. Not on tablets of stone( TC) but in tablets of human hearts 2cor3:3

If a Christian stole something, would they be specifically conscious they committed sin by stealing?

Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

If a Christian committed adultery, would they specifically be conscious they sinned because they committed adultery?

Through the law we become conscious of sin ,Rom3:20

If a Christian covers/ lusts, are they specifically conscious they sin because they Lust/ covet?

Through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

You must have the law my friend to be conscious of sin.

Besides which:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.....
Matt 5:17

And finally:

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop) for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

The law of righteousness got abolished for the believer, not the moral law!
 
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You don't find the law reflected in your life by looking to the letter of Commandments and striving to obey them, fearing hell if you don't! That is the law of sin and death that Christ did end!
You obey by looking to Christ, trusting he is your righteousness before the Father, and trusting him, through the Spirit to do in you what you cannot do for yourself. So you don't look to the letter of Commandments for obedience, but to Christ.
The more you do this, the more the fruit of the Spirit will grow in you( gal5:22). The more the fruit of the Spirit grows in you, the more Godly a life you will live. For that fruit is the embodiment of how God wants you to live, and that fruit is therefore in no contradiction to Gods good and holy laws:

Against such fruit there is no law Gal5:23

However, many don't understand the true message, and relentlessly preach you must obey the letter of Commandments to be righteous/justified, rather than victory by faith in Christ.

Obedience comes from faith ( rom1:5)
 
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Obedience is a fruit not a root, it happens as a process after you have been born again with most people... We die to a former self of the world, (the seed goes in the ground), (we get born again by pursuing a personal relationship with God) We die to a former self, and self, and we get planted in the ground, and we start to grow roots first, and roots are not fruits, they are thing that solidify and support our faith, a foundation of a building, is another way of putting it, but, were gonna go with the plant analogy for now...

As you mature and grow in your faith, it is like a plant growing fed by the roots, and we produce the fruits of repentance, or being repentant up to that point, and we will get fruits...

One fruit is obedience and there are others... And, and you come into who you were meant to be and produce much fruit, after a period of growth and continuing to be faithful when you were in growth and there was no fruit (of say, Obedience) yet...

But you remained repentant and faithful, you will have fruit and benefit many and yourself, then you'll have seed, a lot of seed, afterwards, and you sow or the plant drops or spreads those seeds, and we sow into others, and and then, we hope to leave a legacy and die...

God Bless!
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #339:

The Christian is released from the law
(Rom7:4-6)

Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for:

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away . . .

This refers to Christians, who are branches in the vine of Jesus Christ, wrongly employing their free will in such a way they fail to produce good fruit, so that ultimately they're taken away from Jesus (John 15:2a), cut off from Him for their unrepentant laziness, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30).

Christians can also be ultimately cut off from Jesus, cast away, and burned; they can ultimately lose their salvation, for not continuing to abide in Jesus (John 15:6), in the sense of committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 2:12b) or unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27).
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #341:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.....
Matt 5:17

This means Jesus Christ came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for He did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for He couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with His own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow His disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #341:

The letter of the TC was part of the abolished OC law?
Wow!!!!!

How can what has been written on your mind and placed on your heart been abolished???

For example, Christians keep the spirit of: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14) by not committing adultery out of love for the spouses whom they would otherwise wrong (Romans 13:8-10), not out of a mistaken desire to place themselves under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18). For Christians "should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" (Romans 7:6). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b).

An analogy would be a street which once had, by law, a 25 mph (40 kph) speed-limit sign on it. But then the law was changed, the sign was removed and replaced by a new sign which simply said: "Drive Carefully". One day, a man was driving with his wife down the street with the new sign, and his wife looked over at the speedometer and said: "Why are you only going 25? Why are you still obeying that old sign which was removed?". The man answered: "I'm not obeying the old sign. I'm driving carefully".

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stuart lawrence said in post #342:

However, many don't understand the true message, and relentlessly preach you must obey the letter of Commandments to be righteous/justified, rather than victory by faith in Christ.

Note that it's not either/or, but both/and. For:

James 2:24 . . . by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

stuart lawrence said in post #342:

Obedience comes from faith ( rom1:5)

Not automatically. For those with faith can wrongly employ their free will to be disobedient, even to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29).

stuart lawrence said in post #342:

So you don't look to the letter of Commandments for obedience, but to Christ.

That's right:

John 15:5 . . . for without me ye can do nothing.

But Christians still need to look to the letter of Christ's commandments to know what obedience is, for:

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me . . .
 
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Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for:

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away . . .

This refers to Christians, who are branches in the vine of Jesus Christ, wrongly employing their free will in such a way they fail to produce good fruit, so that ultimately they're taken away from Jesus (John 15:2a), cut off from Him for their unrepentant laziness, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30).

Christians can also be ultimately cut off from Jesus, cast away, and burned; they can ultimately lose their salvation, for not continuing to abide in Jesus (John 15:6), in the sense of committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 2:12b) or unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27).
Christians are released from the law.
Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for:

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away . . .

This refers to Christians, who are branches in the vine of Jesus Christ, wrongly employing their free will in such a way they fail to produce good fruit, so that ultimately they're taken away from Jesus (John 15:2a), cut off from Him for their unrepentant laziness, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30).

Christians can also be ultimately cut off from Jesus, cast away, and burned; they can ultimately lose their salvation, for not continuing to abide in Jesus (John 15:6), in the sense of committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 2:12b) or unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27).
As you don't strive to obey each and every literal command of Christ, you may continually say you are not released from a righteousness of observing that law from your head. But practically speaking, how you live out your life is another matter entirely. So, bearing in mind what you wrote, should I consider you a lazy person who doesn't love Christ?
Or just someone who doesn't practice what they preach?

Your continued insistence Paul is not speaking of NC law in rom7:4-6 is ridiculous. All Christians know murdering, coveting, stealing, taking the Lord's name in vain etc is In corporated into NC comnandments, and you accept the TC are included in those verses.
The reason the TC are the letter that kills and the ministry of death and condemnation is because you cannot be righteous by trying to obey those commands. Christ's literal Commandments are to a higher standard than the TC.
So, although the believer could not be righteous by observing OC law, you are stating, they are righteous by observing law that is to a higher standard than law no one could be righteous by trying to obey.

Your confusion and inconsistencies are ever more obvious as time goes by
 
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This means Jesus Christ came the first time not to abolish the prophecies in the Mosaic law and the Old Testament prophets regarding the Messiah's/the Christ's first coming, but to fulfill all those prophecies (Luke 24:44-48; e.g. Acts 3:22-26, Isaiah 53). Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean Jesus came not to abolish the letter of the commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, for He did come to do that, on the Cross (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19). Also, Matthew 5:17-18 can't mean Jesus came to fulfill the letter of all the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments, for He couldn't possibly have done that. For example, some of those commandments applied only to women after childbirth (Leviticus 12:4-8), or to wives suspected of adultery by their husbands (Numbers 5:19-31).

As the Christ (Matthew 5:17, Luke 24:44-46), the mediator of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-9), Jesus had the divine authority to contradict the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments and replace them with His own, even better, New Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:38-44, Matthew 19:7-9, John 8:5-7), such as those He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29) and in the epistles of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37; 1 Thessalonians 4:2). And as the Christ, Jesus had the divine authority to allow His disciples to break the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Matthew 12:1-8).
Jesus didn't come to abolish the TC, if anything he added to them. For example:

You have heard that it was said: Do not commit adultery, but I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart
Matt5:27&28

You have heard that it was said: Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgement. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement
Matt5:21&22

So on the one hand, you accept a righteousness of observing the TC under the OC was the ministry


of death and condemnation/ the letter that kills, for no one could obey to that standard to be righteous. But then you repeatedly claim Paul only refers to this law as law you have no righteousness by observing. Law to a higher standard than the law referred to as the letter that kills, you believe the Christian is under a righteousness of observing.

Oh well.
 
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For example, Christians keep the spirit of: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Exodus 20:14) by not committing adultery out of love for the spouses whom they would otherwise wrong (Romans 13:8-10), not out of a mistaken desire to place themselves under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18). For Christians "should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter" (Romans 7:6). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18-19, Hebrews 10:9b).

An analogy would be a street which once had, by law, a 25 mph (40 kph) speed-limit sign on it. But then the law was changed, the sign was removed and replaced by a new sign which simply said: "Drive Carefully". One day, a man was driving with his wife down the street with the new sign, and his wife looked over at the speedometer and said: "Why are you only going 25? Why are you still obeying that old sign which was removed?". The man answered: "I'm not obeying the old sign. I'm driving carefully".

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Note that it's not either/or, but both/and. For:

James 2:24 . . . by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.



Not automatically. For those with faith can wrongly employ their free will to be disobedient, even to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29).



That's right:

John 15:5 . . . for without me ye can do nothing.

But Christians still need to look to the letter of Christ's commandments to know what obedience is, for:

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me . . .
Your posts are piled high with contradictions.
I'm afraid people who do not practice what they preach/ demand of others. People who make pat statements from their heads as to what literalCommandments must be obeyed, when this has no bearing on the reality of their own life, will never understand the truth, though they can endlessly recite the letter of scripture.
This is as true today as it was in Jesus day
 
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Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for:

John 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away . . .

This refers to Christians, who are branches in the vine of Jesus Christ, wrongly employing their free will in such a way they fail to produce good fruit, so that ultimately they're taken away from Jesus (John 15:2a), cut off from Him for their unrepentant laziness, to the ultimate loss of their salvation (Matthew 25:26,30).

Christians can also be ultimately cut off from Jesus, cast away, and burned; they can ultimately lose their salvation, for not continuing to abide in Jesus (John 15:6), in the sense of committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 2:12b) or unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29, Luke 12:45-46; 1 Corinthians 9:27).
Hold on tightly then!
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #347:

Christians are released from the law.

Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for it will be possible at the future judgment for Jesus to say to a Christian:

Matthew 25:26 . . . Thou wicked and slothful servant . . .

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

This shows that even someone who was a servant of Jesus Christ can ultimately lose his salvation because of unrepentant laziness. One way a Christian could desire to become lazy without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be so pleasurable, and so fulfilling (in the short term), that he continues in it over time until his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12). Love for God means choosing to do what God says to do (1 John 5:3). So if one's love for God grows cold (Matthew 24:12), one will no longer choose to do what God says to do (John 14:24), meaning one will become lazy in God's eyes (Matthew 25:26,30).
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #347:

So, although the believer could not be righteous by observing OC law, you are stating, they are righteous by observing law that is to a higher standard than law no one could be righteous by trying to obey.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect . . .

This is possible by faith in Jesus Christ, and by the Holy Spirit:

2 Corinthians 7:1 . . . let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #348:

Jesus didn't come to abolish the TC . . .

Note that what the apostle Paul shows is abolished in 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 is the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law, including the letter of its Ten Commandments, "written and engraven in stones" (2 Corinthians 3:7,13, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8).
 
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Note that Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ, for it will be possible at the future judgment for Jesus to say to a Christian:

Matthew 25:26 . . . Thou wicked and slothful servant . . .

Matthew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

This shows that even someone who was a servant of Jesus Christ can ultimately lose his salvation because of unrepentant laziness. One way a Christian could desire to become lazy without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be so pleasurable, and so fulfilling (in the short term), that he continues in it over time until his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12). Love for God means choosing to do what God says to do (1 John 5:3). So if one's love for God grows cold (Matthew 24:12), one will no longer choose to do what God says to do (John 14:24), meaning one will become lazy in God's eyes (Matthew 25:26,30).
So as you do not obey, or even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ, you are saying you are a lazy person who doesn't love God.
OK, if you insist I believe that I will.
As for your continued statements( that have been shown to be false) regarding a Christian being under a law of righteousness concerning NC law and your reasoning behind this. You simply prove you don't understand the basis on which the NC stands
 
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Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect . . .

This is possible by faith in Jesus Christ, and by the Holy Spirit:

2 Corinthians 7:1 . . . let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
So do you claim to be perfect/ sinless?
 
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Note that what the apostle Paul shows is abolished in 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 is the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law, including the letter of its Ten Commandments, "written and engraven in stones" (2 Corinthians 3:7,13, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8).
You robotically repeat yourself.
Those spiritually enlightened know the commands not to murder, commit adultery, take the Lord's name in vain, steal, lie, covet, have not been abolished.
You would have to be Antinomian to believe that. Something did get abolished though:

Christ is the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

The law of righteousness got abolished. The whole structure of looking to the letter on stone and striving to obey it to be righteous before God got abolished. But God WILL NOT abolish the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart, body soul and mind. he will not abolish the law that says you must not covet, steal, murder lie, commit adultery etc.
You are so confused. On the one hand you acknowledge the law of the TC was the letter that kills/ the ministry of death and condemnation. But on the other hand, you say a law of righteousness now exists concerning law to a higher standard than the literal wording of the TC.
So the letter that kills in your view got abolished, to be replaced by a letter that kills more severely if not kept.

Wisdom is always proved right by its inconsistencies.

The law on stone was only the letter that kills if it concerned a law of righteousness, not if it didn't. No law of righteousness, no ministry of death and condemnation
 
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The Christian is called to make Christ Lord and Saviour of their life. They have chosen their master. In their hearts they want to obey God, for that is where His placed his good and holy laws. IN THEIR HEARTS.
But though they ask Christ to be their Lord and Saviour they will not be perfect/ sinless in the flesh. Only Christ lived a sinless life. Yet they will hate their imperfections for they have been born again. And if they commit what is termed wilfull sin their consciences will be seered, for they are going against what is in their hearts.
Those who truly love God, those who have been born again of the Spirit and have been the law in their hearts and minds, don't need any law of righteousness. They obey out of love for God, more than anything they want to please and obey him.
But some would need a law of righteousness. Those who's christianity consists of going to church once a week, and making sure they don't get drunk, use foul language, have extra marital affairs and smoke. They basically believe that will give them a free pass to enter heaven.
And if course, some make a commitment, not because they love God, but simply to try and avoid hell. They also would need a law of righteousness to aid keeping them in line.
But the truly born again believer, who wants to obey because they love God in their heart and has the law placed in their heart and mind has no need of such a righteousness.
The law of righteous is for the religious, who quote the letter and insist you obey it to be righteous before God, while they themselves fail to practice what they demand of you.
Flee such people. They will never understand the true message the letter contains. Nor will they have any love for you in their hearts. There is no love, mercy and compassion in demanding of others what you do not demand of yourself.
It is hypocrisy
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #356:

Those spiritually enlightened know the commands not to murder, commit adultery, take the Lord's name in vain, steal, lie, covet, have not been abolished.

Note that the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ has a list of sins much longer than that in the letter of the Ten Commandments of the Old Covenant Mosaic law which the apostle Paul showed in 2 Corinthians 3:6-18 has been abolished. Also, at the end of the New Covenant list of sins, Paul shows Christians are not released from the New Covenant/New Testament law of Jesus Christ. For if Christians commit any of these sins without repentance, they will ultimately lose their salvation:

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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stuart lawrence said in post #356:

So the letter that kills in your view got abolished, to be replaced by a letter that kills more severely if not kept.

Regarding "kills more severely", that's right. For:

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
 
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