A Religious Spirit (moved)

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I personally have ran across my fair share of this kind. Have you and how did it change/affect you, did it change you for the better or the worse? What does a religious spirited person sound like? Is there any good fruit that comes from these? Do they tear up more than they build one up (as long as it is fitting to them and their opinions and beliefs)?

1. You judge other people by their appearance.

God judges us by our heart, but man judges by outward appearance (1 Sam. 16:7). I have heard of many churches where young people have not felt welcome or have even been condemned by church leadership because they had a tattoo, a nose ring, or dressed a certain way. (In some legalistic churches men have to wear a suit and tie to attend church and ladies are not allowed to wear makeup and pants or cut their hair.) Although I believe mature believers should dress modestly, we especially need to allow visitors to come as they are and all believers should dress as they feel comfortable (with moderation). Legalistic churches that forbid folks to attend services because of their attire have exhibited one of the signs of having a religious spirit.

2. You try to earn God's love and salvation.

Since religion in this article refers to a man-made effort to please God—the motivation behind those efforts in this category has to do with following certain rules, or regulations regarding the outward man, in order to be in right standing with God. This is a clear violation of passages that teach us that we are saved by grace and not by our own works (Eph. 2:8-9).

3. You try to conform to outward holiness without inward transformation.

The Scriptures teach us that God is more concerned with cleansing the inward man (Ps. 51:6) than our outward conformity to rules and regulations. Those that only have a form of godliness without inward transformation deny His power (2 Tim. 3:5). Jesus strongly rebuked those who merely attempted to cleanse the outer man without allowing God to deal with the heart (Matt. 23). In my experience, I have observed that very religious people usually have sinful habit patterns that eventually manifest because they don't allow God to change their inner being. The more we attempt to follow God merely by the letter of the law—the more it will incite our sinful tendencies (Rom. 7:7-25).

4. You are always critical of other people's walks with God.

I have noticed that the more religious a person is, the more critical they are of other believers and ministers. Since they are so hard on themselves (religious people generally don't understand grace and walk in self-condemnation), they are also equally hard on other people.

5. Your closest Christian relationships are based only on ministry activities.

Religious people are not only superficial with God but with others as well. Since they attempt to connect with the "other" merely by activities, they are disengaged emotionally and do not know how to connect heart to heart with those they interface with. Church-related ministry or functions usually hold their friendships together.

6. You perform Christian duties but have no passion or hunger for God.

Religious people sustain their version of Christianity by performing ministry or church attendance. They do not have a deep relationship with God nor do they hunger and thirst for Him.

7. You desire position and honor in the church more than honor from God.

Those with a religious spirit hinge their life and identity upon their outward man. Hence, they are drawn to having recognition and titles in the church world. If they cannot legitimately get a ministerial title from their local church, they will hook up with an online course or other entity that will give them some kind of badge or card signifying they are a minister or chaplain.

8. Your identity is rooted in a lifestyle of Christianity instead of in Christ.

Mature Christ-followers receive their main identity in the fact they are "sons" of God, whereas religious people receive their main identity in the things they attempt to do for God and their church.

9. You know about the truth of Jesus but not the way of Jesus.

Religious people make a big deal about the doctrines they accumulate through head knowledge. They make the mistake of thinking that having good doctrine means they are mature believers. Just because we may know about God doesn't mean we commune with God and know Him experientially.

10. You project righteousness but inwardly are filled with anger and resentment.

Religious people know the entire Christian lingo, know how to act and project themselves in certain settings and use this "act" to gain influence in church circles. However, projecting ourselves to create a Christian persona will not last long. Those who depend upon this superficial personality projection are merely being religious and will not have the sustainability to deal with the hurt, pain, and disappointments of life. This results in a duality in which they appear righteous but inside are filled with anger, resentment, and envy.
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Happened to the Lord Jesus kiddo, i.e., the Pharisees. They were religious but not godly. Yes, they do more harm than good. But you're strong in the Holy Spirit kid and you can always counter them the way Christ did. God bless :). Your big brother in Christ.
 
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Your words, remind me of how where I work, was once described. It is like a man that was sent to an apple field to collect apples. He knew that he would be there most of the day so he worked steady, but not to fast so that he could finish the day. At the end of the day he had picked a hundred apples so he brought the basket full of apples to the inspector. The inspector reached in the basket and picked out a apple that had a worm in it. It was rotten. The inspector then then started to scold the man for the one apple that was rotten but overlooked the other 99. You see, this truly comes from darkness. What I have learned, the hard way, is not to care what people say or think of me, but only care what The Lord thinks of what I do or say. When we are truly led by Him he will tell us the truth about any matter. Being wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove is how we should handle these types.
Very true, like I had spoken of on an earlier post, concerning the movie I watched and how awful and sad it was, this man seemed consumed with following Jesus to condemn Him and judge Him, to point Him out in public to accuse Him of things this man knew nothing about, because He came from a religious mindset (in my opinion) and was closed minded and hearted to ANYTHING possibly being of God. He just tore Jesus into pieces because he wasn't used to this "blasphemy" he called it at one point. Jesus NEVER once came after him, nor argued with him, Jesus kept right on doing what HIS FATHER called Him to do, and as He died on the cross He still said Father forgive them cause they know not what they do, that's mercy, that's love, that's compassion, that is what we are to be known by, the fruit of the Spirit. For me, I constantly remind myself, judge not least ye be judged. I do not wanna place judgment on another, knowing that my fate will rest on the same scales of judgment I used on others.
 
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I personally have ran across my fair share of this kind. Have you and how did it change/affect you, did it change you for the better or the worse? What does a religious spirited person sound like? Is there any good fruit that comes from these? Do they tear up more than they build one up (as long as it is fitting to them and their opinions and beliefs)?

1. You judge other people by their appearance.

God judges us by our heart, but man judges by outward appearance (1 Sam. 16:7). I have heard of many churches where young people have not felt welcome or have even been condemned by church leadership because they had a tattoo, a nose ring, or dressed a certain way. (In some legalistic churches men have to wear a suit and tie to attend church and ladies are not allowed to wear makeup and pants or cut their hair.) Although I believe mature believers should dress modestly, we especially need to allow visitors to come as they are and all believers should dress as they feel comfortable (with moderation). Legalistic churches that forbid folks to attend services because of their attire have exhibited one of the signs of having a religious spirit.

2. You try to earn God's love and salvation.

Since religion in this article refers to a man-made effort to please God—the motivation behind those efforts in this category has to do with following certain rules, or regulations regarding the outward man, in order to be in right standing with God. This is a clear violation of passages that teach us that we are saved by grace and not by our own works (Eph. 2:8-9).

3. You try to conform to outward holiness without inward transformation.

The Scriptures teach us that God is more concerned with cleansing the inward man (Ps. 51:6) than our outward conformity to rules and regulations. Those that only have a form of godliness without inward transformation deny His power (2 Tim. 3:5). Jesus strongly rebuked those who merely attempted to cleanse the outer man without allowing God to deal with the heart (Matt. 23). In my experience, I have observed that very religious people usually have sinful habit patterns that eventually manifest because they don't allow God to change their inner being. The more we attempt to follow God merely by the letter of the law—the more it will incite our sinful tendencies (Rom. 7:7-25).

4. You are always critical of other people's walks with God.

I have noticed that the more religious a person is, the more critical they are of other believers and ministers. Since they are so hard on themselves (religious people generally don't understand grace and walk in self-condemnation), they are also equally hard on other people.

5. Your closest Christian relationships are based only on ministry activities.

Religious people are not only superficial with God but with others as well. Since they attempt to connect with the "other" merely by activities, they are disengaged emotionally and do not know how to connect heart to heart with those they interface with. Church-related ministry or functions usually hold their friendships together.

6. You perform Christian duties but have no passion or hunger for God.

Religious people sustain their version of Christianity by performing ministry or church attendance. They do not have a deep relationship with God nor do they hunger and thirst for Him.

7. You desire position and honor in the church more than honor from God.

Those with a religious spirit hinge their life and identity upon their outward man. Hence, they are drawn to having recognition and titles in the church world. If they cannot legitimately get a ministerial title from their local church, they will hook up with an online course or other entity that will give them some kind of badge or card signifying they are a minister or chaplain.

8. Your identity is rooted in a lifestyle of Christianity instead of in Christ.

Mature Christ-followers receive their main identity in the fact they are "sons" of God, whereas religious people receive their main identity in the things they attempt to do for God and their church.

9. You know about the truth of Jesus but not the way of Jesus.

Religious people make a big deal about the doctrines they accumulate through head knowledge. They make the mistake of thinking that having good doctrine means they are mature believers. Just because we may know about God doesn't mean we commune with God and know Him experientially.

10. You project righteousness but inwardly are filled with anger and resentment.

Religious people know the entire Christian lingo, know how to act and project themselves in certain settings and use this "act" to gain influence in church circles. However, projecting ourselves to create a Christian persona will not last long. Those who depend upon this superficial personality projection are merely being religious and will not have the sustainability to deal with the hurt, pain, and disappointments of life. This results in a duality in which they appear righteous but inside are filled with anger, resentment, and envy.
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Some churches have unwritten dress codes. If everyone is dressed semi-formal and one walks in with sandals, jeans and a t-shirt, they might not think the attire is appropriate. Some other church might have a large percentage of people showing up casual. I think they call it a contemporary service. There might be guitars instead of organ music. I suppose the message given in church is more important than what people are wearing, but some cannot forgive dress code violations.

Jesus went into a synagogue. There was a man with a withered hand. It was Sabbath and the teachers of the law were forbidding doctors from healing on the Sabbath as healing was a form of work and work was not legal on the seventh day. Jesus asked the man to stretch out his hand. The man did and his hand was healed (Mark 3:1-6). The teachers of the law were upset after they learned Jesus broke the Sabbath law. Their law required the death penalty for healing on the Sabbath. Merely being religious and reading the Bible did not mean the teachers of the law were going to make a right judgement. Having good judgement is better than whether or not you attend a religious service, with or without your Sunday best clothes on.
 
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Speaking of "religious" spirits......it's all IN spiritual warfare, amen?

It appears that perhaps we are in the last days.

Deception is everywhere. Telltale signs of it are:

Evil in the Last Days

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." ~II Timothy 3:1-9

What is most profound is the utter un-holiness, entirely bereft of the "fear of the Lord", and that is because they worship themselves. Not the living God. Chaos, drama, derision, quarreling, deception, and hypocrisy is their calling card. And it's all about "me me me".

Thank God that He mooooves as He does. May He do so even moreso.

Yes, the subject of this thread is worth speaking about. It IS a prevalent issue.

God help us.

:sick:

Let it rain.

Break every chain, in Jesus name.
Amen.




 
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This is a clear violation of passages that teach us that we are saved by grace and not by our own works (Eph. 2:8-9).

What does verse 10 say?

Eph. 2:8-10

Read and find out if it continues verse 8 and 9....

We cannot earn salvation, but we are to do works. This is the grace doctrine in these verses.

But what you are saying about a religious spirit, I agree strongly. We are to follow Christ, not men.
 
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What does verse 10 say?

Eph. 2:8-10

Read and find out if it continues verse 8 and 9....

But what you are saying about a religious spirit, I agree strongly. We are to follow Christ, not men.
For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
 
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I was actually watching a movie and was reminded of how people will follow you to find anything wrong with you, to point it out and to tear someone down more than build them up as if they are challenging everything about you without any good reason. I think the character was Nicodemus (not sure atm). As I sat watching the movie I just was thinking to myself how you have Jesus doing all these wonderful things, healing people, speaking love and not hate or judgment, and you have this man following him around just to point him out. Thus the reason of "how" others have come across such people and how it affected them in their walk with Christ and what did they do about it? How did they handle such persons? It's like they look past the 99% of what is good about you just to point out the 1% of bad. Thanks for understanding my question. If the Mods would like to move this, I welcome them to do so :)

Ah, someone acting as an enemy. We can pray for help, to do what He said to do --

Love you enemy

Pray for them

Nothing that is hidden will remain hidden on that day!
 
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Ah, someone acting as an enemy. We can pray for help, to do what He said to do --

Love you enemy

Pray for them

Nothing that is hidden will remain hidden on that day!
And I do love my enemies and I do pray for them :heart:
 
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Ah, someone acting as an enemy. We can pray for help, to do what He said to do --

Love you enemy

Pray for them

Nothing that is hidden will remain hidden on that day!

Amen brother.

God bless you.
 
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I'd add christianity is not a religion and we do no have religious experiences. We have a relationship instead with the one true living God.
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To me, it is someone who is very humble and pious. No negative connotations.

The word "religious" is definitely used in more than one way by people.

It even has two popular useages that are about opposite in a key way. It can mean 'ostentatious rituals done without heart, showy and fake'....OR it can mean something like 'dedicated, authentic, and committed'.
 
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The word "religious" is definitely used in more than one way by people.

It even has two popular useages that are about opposite in a key way. It can mean 'ostentatious rituals done without heart, showy and fake'....OR it can mean something like 'dedicated, authentic, and committed'.

Exactly.

Amen.
 
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A tree is known by its fruit and evil tree does not bear good fruit neither does a good tree bear evil fruit..... Jesus said you can judge a tree by the fruit it bears if I look at an apple tree and you claim that it is bearing bananas I'm going to call you out on it because when I look all I see are bright juicy red apples!!
 
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A tree is known by its fruit and evil tree does not bear good fruit neither does a good tree bear evil fruit..... Jesus said you can judge a tree by the fruit it bears if I look at an apple tree and you claim that it is bearing bananas I'm going to call you out on it because when I look all I see are bright juicy red apples!!

Amen brother!

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I have not been around many ''religious'' people in person in the few years I've known God, I've always been drawn to the right kind of people, but I have seen some on Christian message boards. Honestly, in my early Christian days I think I struggled with a religious spirit a few times. My mentor from my home-church told me I used to hide behind religion sometimes and he was right... it was like a season of self-righteousness but God is really bringing the hammer down on me and making everything in my life fail until I get it right, and I'm so grateful for that.
 
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