- Jul 22, 2014
- 41,508
- 7,861
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Last edited:
Upvote
0
The Double Message of Eternal Security.
- Thread starter Bible Highlighter
- Start date
- Jul 22, 2014
- 41,508
- 7,861
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Actually George Sodini, Kenneth Nally, and Buddy believed in Christ crucified and committed suicide because they thought Christ paid for all their sins.
George Sodini
Kenneth Nally
Buddy.
I believe these are the fruits of OSAS.
Simply click on their names above that I turned into a link (for you to check them out).
...
Upvote
0
- Jul 22, 2014
- 41,508
- 7,861
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
As for Jim Jones: Well, Jim Jones did not believe the King James Bible was from God in any way. He wrote an article called: "The letter kills" on that one.
The Letter Killeth, by Jim Jones – Alternative Considerations of Jonestown & Peoples Temple
Jim Jones did not really believe Jesus was God almighty in the flesh and who was our one and only Savior because he confessed or claimed that we can be reincarnated back into different people.
He claimed to be God and that there was no God up in the sky to answer a person's prayers.
Drinking the Kool-Aid: A Survivor Remembers Jim Jones
Smiling Through the Tears – Alternative Considerations of Jonestown & Peoples Temple
...
The Letter Killeth, by Jim Jones – Alternative Considerations of Jonestown & Peoples Temple
Jim Jones did not really believe Jesus was God almighty in the flesh and who was our one and only Savior because he confessed or claimed that we can be reincarnated back into different people.
He claimed to be God and that there was no God up in the sky to answer a person's prayers.
Drinking the Kool-Aid: A Survivor Remembers Jim Jones
Smiling Through the Tears – Alternative Considerations of Jonestown & Peoples Temple
...
Upvote
0
The idea that the primary difference between the saved and the unsaved is that the saved are 'sorry' for their continual sinning is rather lame - where is the power to deliver in such a belief ? Not that I have experienced a perfect walk with God to this point - but to accept sin as 'unavoidable' and to therefore (pretty much) be 'expected', sounds like - as 'believers' we're not actually saved from sin or delivered from the power of Satan, but still fail miserably...only we're sorry about it.
That's not deliverance, that's a watered down form of repentance. Godly sorrow leads to repentance...but it is not repentance itself.
Our falling away from the original meaning is seen in modern dictionaries where repentance is defined as feeling sorry for sin or wrongdoing.
But the root meaning of repentance is to 'think differently' to have a 'changed mind' - so we no longer then therefore think, speak, or act the same as before.
Whenever / wherever we think, speak, and / or act like 'the old man' rather than the 'new' such is evidence of unrepentance...and possibly the worst thing anyone can do (in such a state) is to rationalize it away, so that it can seem to be acceptable...closely followed by (basically just as bad) is to give up completely - because living right doesn't come easy.
Fight, fight, fight we have to fight against both these extremes - for both of them lead no where near to The Kingdom of Heaven / Kingdom of Overcomers.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. <---> Revelation 3:5
And May The Lord Be Pleased !
That's not deliverance, that's a watered down form of repentance. Godly sorrow leads to repentance...but it is not repentance itself.
Our falling away from the original meaning is seen in modern dictionaries where repentance is defined as feeling sorry for sin or wrongdoing.
But the root meaning of repentance is to 'think differently' to have a 'changed mind' - so we no longer then therefore think, speak, or act the same as before.
Whenever / wherever we think, speak, and / or act like 'the old man' rather than the 'new' such is evidence of unrepentance...and possibly the worst thing anyone can do (in such a state) is to rationalize it away, so that it can seem to be acceptable...closely followed by (basically just as bad) is to give up completely - because living right doesn't come easy.
Fight, fight, fight we have to fight against both these extremes - for both of them lead no where near to The Kingdom of Heaven / Kingdom of Overcomers.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. <---> Revelation 3:5
And May The Lord Be Pleased !
Last edited:
Upvote
0
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
Repentance is turning away FROM sin, and turning TO Christ. Without Christ giving us His Spirit, it would be hard not to turn back to the sin. But with the power of the Spirit it is easy. He does all the heavy lifting.
Upvote
0
stuart lawrence
Well-Known Member
Paul, mightily filled with the Holy Spirit said, in the present tense:
The letter kills
He was referring to the TC
Upvote
0
stuart lawrence
Well-Known Member
To say it is easy not to sin, shows little understanding I am afraid of the pristine level Gods laws are set at.
Many, in charismatic circles believe, in effect in a covenant of striving to obey the letter of the law by the power of the holy spirit to be justified/ righteous before God
That is NOT the gospel message
Many, in charismatic circles believe, in effect in a covenant of striving to obey the letter of the law by the power of the holy spirit to be justified/ righteous before God
That is NOT the gospel message
Upvote
0
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
Upvote
0
stuart lawrence
Well-Known Member
Actually, where many charismatics and RC are concerned, regarding justification/ sanctification, they might as well form one united church. They could be said to walk hand in hand regarding this subject
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
stuart lawrence
Well-Known Member
If it is easy not to sin.
It is easy never to get angry when you are having a bad day
It is easy never to have unkind thoughts about anyone.
It is easy never to have impure thoughts.
It is easy to faultlessly love all those you meet. Including those who malign, persecute, abuse and mistreat you etc.
Gaga land if you ask me
Superfluous/ shallow thinking
It is easy never to get angry when you are having a bad day
It is easy never to have unkind thoughts about anyone.
It is easy never to have impure thoughts.
It is easy to faultlessly love all those you meet. Including those who malign, persecute, abuse and mistreat you etc.
Gaga land if you ask me
Superfluous/ shallow thinking
Upvote
0
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
Upvote
0
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
Upvote
0
- Feb 13, 2017
- 11,189
- 4,193
- 76
- Country
- United States
- Faith
- Charismatic
- Marital Status
- Celibate
- Politics
- US-Republican
About your theory that charismatics and the RC being alike? Not.
Upvote
0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums
Similar threads
