Speak in Tongues - essential :

1stcenturylady · Jun 28, 2017

redleghunter said:
Does this happen in your church services or prayer meetings/groups? I have attended various Pentecostal worship, prayer and Bible studies and there was not one interpreter of the tongues. Should I assume this was due to everyone praying to God and not for the edification of everyone else?

A good friend did tell me that his Pentecostal church does not allow people speaking out loud in tongues during services. They keep a very strict adherence to 1 Corinthians 12-14. I might just have to visit with that pastor and ask him the same questions.

If someone stands up and speaks in tongues for everyone to hear them, that is a message from God and is the GIFT of diverse kinds of tongues, and MUST be interpreted. If you are in a prayer circle and you hear people quietly praying in tongues, that doesn't need to be interpreted, as they are praying to God. However, there are times when the whole room is INSTRUCTED to collectively give praise to God, as the 120 did on Pentecost, but everyone is in agreement. Or to sing in tongues collectively in praise. (Sounds awesome) As long as no one is left in the dark to what is going on, this usually happens in a believer's evening service as opposed to a Sunday morning service where visitors could be present, then it is still scriptural.

geiroffenberg · Jun 28, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
Sorry, but the tongues on Pentecost was the sign of tongues in praises TO God, but in this instance the devout Jews were each sovereignly given the gift of interpretation of tongues, that sometimes is manifested for the interpretation to understand (ALL OF) THEM speaking their own language.

oh ok

Then thats a second version of interpreting tongues that i never have experience, or heard about anyone who have exprienced.

1stcenturylady · Jun 28, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
oh ok

Then thats a second version of interpreting tongues that i never have experience, or heard about anyone who have exprienced.

I have. It happened at my church in Arizona. An unsaved highschool girl went up for prayer, and part of the prayer was in tongues. She didn't hear tongues, she heard English.

Marvin Knox · Jun 28, 2017

pescador said:
I speak in tongues (glossolalia) and have done so since a day after I declared that Christ is my savior. And I'm not a Pentecostal. I'm a sincere, mature Christian and have no problem using this gift whenever I feel it's appropriate.

Theorizing and statements of doctrine won't change that.

It sounds a lot like me.

Except I haven't spoken in tongues from the very beginning. For me it was just after I decided that asking for the Holy Spirit was scriptural and asked the Lord to give me His Spirit in any way He desired.

He didn't give me a snake or a rock.

I'm happy with my decision and I have prayed in the Spirit quite often since then.I have also revisited the scriptural basis for it several times and I see no reason to change my mind.

Being a "Reformed" charismatic is sometimes being the odd man out. But that's OK by me if it is with the Lord - as I'm sure it is.

Waggles · Jun 28, 2017

Saint JOHN said:
Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues as the spirit gives direct undefileable contact with GOD !

Good day there Saint John. Greetings from another Pentecostal brother.
The Revival Fellowship - South Australia - Gawler Assembly - born again by water and the Spirit with
the Bible evidence of speaking [praying] in tongues since December 1996.

I'm afraid your in for a roller-coaster of a ride here on this Forum. Pentecost is not popular (but it
was never meant to be mainstream) and those who deny the truth of the original first century Church
and the Acts of the Apostles are all pretty convinced that they are right and true and that we are
fanatical and peculiar.
Much of the problem lies with the growth of the Charismatic churches wherein what passes for Pentecostal worship these days is dysfunctional and out of order. Outsiders looking in see much
that is embarrassing to notions of proper Christian worship; like dancing and emotionalism.

But thankfully, there is still straightforward conservative Pentecostalism whereby we keep the Word
of God faithfully and do all things decently and in order. No show bizz.

Acts 2: 38 is the gospel. The common salvation once delivered unto the saints.

Saint Nick.

Waggles · Jun 28, 2017

And these signs shall follow them that believe ... still works for me.

friend of · Jun 28, 2017

When Pentecostal adherents undergo water baptism do they all come out speaking in tongues?

If so, then it's a clear case of confirmation bias, unless you want to invalidate the baptisms of other denominations which do not witness their Christians speaking in tongues upon water baptism.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jun 28, 2017

friend of said:
When Pentecostal adherents undergo water baptism do they all come out speaking in tongues?

If so, then it's a clear case of confirmation bias, unless you want to invalidate the baptisms of other denominations which do not witness their Christians speaking in tongues upon water baptism.

I'm just confused where these sterotypes come from man.... and to answer your question no not everyone comes up speaking in fact a lot don't. I didn't myself some do though.

friend of · Jun 28, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
I'm just confused where these sterotypes come from man

I am not stereotyping all Pentecostals.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jun 28, 2017

friend of said:
I am not stereotyping all Pentecostals.

k just checking cause two came at me about speaking in an angelic tounque assuming I believed in that for no reason was just making sure.

friend of · Jun 28, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
k just checking cause two came at me about speaking in an angelic tounque assuming I believed in that for no reason was just making sure.

No, I should probably have clarified better. I'm only focusing on Pentacostals who:

1) Were aware of how cherished the doctrine of speaking in tongues is to the denomination prior to undergoing water baptism
2) Witnessed others speaking in tongues after their baptisms

In contrast with denominations that do not promote speaking in tongues to the same extent as Pentacostalism, I think it's a clear case of human nature doing what it does best and following the crowd. And to state, as OP stated, that baptism is invalidated if it is not accompanied by this phenomena is, excuse my language, caustically erroneous.

wayfaring man · Jun 28, 2017

Yeah, and Yeshua said - Ye shall know them by their fruit...not by their 'gifts'.

So if someone claims to be full of God's Spirit because they speak in a 'strange sounding tongue', but they also exhibit carnality, worldliness, unChristlike characteristics in their day to day life - we are wise to be skeptical of all such claims.

1miraclechild · Jun 28, 2017

Saint JOHN said:
Absolutely !!!

Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues as the spirit gives direct undefileable contact with GOD !

Just as in the beginning ..Acts 2v4.. included Mary the mother of Jesus....

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth....according to the word, to pray in the Spirit :

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

the first 2 is your part...the third is Gods seal of approval !

Holy Ghost + speaking in tongues .. no tongues no Spirit..

Ro 8:9 .............Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Not to be confused with the demonstration IN THE CHURCH (max 3) to show you are who you say you are !!
when you pray..go to your closet, private place and pray...

confess Jesus Christ..his way...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

package deal

obtain the Grace,Mercy and Faith that Jesus Christ has made avaliable to whomsoever will..

or have the adversaries religious confusion..just words no power !

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jun 28, 2017

wayfaring man said:
Yeah, and Yeshua said - Ye shall know them by their fruit...not by their 'gifts'.

So if someone claims to be full of God's Spirit because they speak in a 'strange sounding tongue', but they also exhibit carnality, worldliness, unChristlike characteristics in their day to day life - we are wise to be skeptical of all such claims.

yep gifts and signs aren't all you gotta look for need to look at the fruit of the spirit. Someone could be saved displaying signs and even anointed with a spiritual gift or gifts but in the process of backsliding.

swordsman1 · Jun 28, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
One thing you fail to realize is that there is the GIFT of diverse kinds of tongues (1 Cor. 12) that MUST be accompanied by a supernatural interpretation, as they are messages FROM God only given to a few for each, and the SIGN of tongues (Mark 16:17) which is our prayer and praise language TO God, given to all who BELIEVE.

In other words, there are two different abilities, both called tongues, but the difference is in the direction, either TO God, or FROM God. To God doesn't always require interpretation, but the gift does.

There are not 2 separate kinds of tongues - a gift and a sign.

The sign of tongues in Mark 16, along with the sign of miracles (such as picking up deadly snakes), driving out demons, and healing people, was a sign to authenticate the early believers and their message in their missionary endevours. Carry on reading the next couple of verses of Mark 16...

Mark 16:20 "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

All those abilities were miraculous powers given to the early believers as confirming signs to others. They would 'wow' others and cause them to recognize that God was indeed with them, and so pay attention to the message they brought. Just as the tongues at Pentecost did. The other tongues in Acts has a similar confirming function - they caused the apostles to recognize that whole new groups of people were also genuine believers and should be accepted into the church.

This ability to perform miraculous signs was given by the Holy Spirit (Rom 15:19, Heb 2:4). It is therefore a gift of the Spirit - the same gift of tongues, miracles and healing as mentioned in 1 Cor 12.

The list of abilities in Mark 16:17 were not given to all believers. Although it happened in the first century, such miracles as picking up deadly snakes and drinking poison without harm are clearly not given to everyone today. Such confirming signs were only for the foundation of the church.

That is the sign giving function of tongues. Tongues spoken in private is not a sign to anyone. In fact private tongues is completely unbiblical. Nowhere in scripture does it advocate speaking in tongues in private. That would be an abuse of a spiritual gift which should only to be used for the benefit of others (1 Cor 12:7, 1 Peter 4:10).

The was also a secondary function of tongues of course when it was spoken in church meetings - to edify others (1 Cor 14) provided it was translated in the assembly.

Charismatics have already invented a new type of tongues, the 'heavenly' tongue to compliment the foreign tongues spoken in Acts which they clearly do not have. Now we have a further subdivision making 4 types of tongues. How many more types of tongues will have to be invented to order to try to get their preconceived ideas and experiences to align with scripture?

A couple more questions..

I take it by this understanding of Mark 16, if there is a sign and a gift of tongues, there must also be 2 types of healing - the sign of healing and the gift of healing and 2 types of miracles the sign of miracles and the gift of miracles. Perhaps you could tell us what the difference between those are?

If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how come 1 Cor 14:2 says tongues were spoken TO God?

If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how comes 1 Cor 14:14 says "if I pray in a tongue"? According to you isn't praying in tongues the SIGN of tongues?

Isn't the 'gift' of tongues in 1 Cor 14:22 also described as a 'sign'?

Sorry but, but like the miracle of hearing at Pentecost theory, there are just too many holes in this idea.

1miraclechild · Jun 28, 2017

Bless you Saint John,
I, myself am Pentecostal & Lots of my Sisters & Brothers Speak in Tongues; Yet I Do Not & I Honestly Know Not Why? I'm Aware God's in No Hurry & Does Things His Way; Although I'm Confused as to Why I as of Now Do Not & Yes I've been Baptized. :'( Sadly I Suppose I am Asking Could you Help me to Understand Why Not Yet?
love & prayers ;-) Rebecca

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JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jun 28, 2017

swordsman1 said:
There are not 2 separate kinds of tongues - a gift and a sign.

The sign of tongues in Mark 16, along with the sign of miracles (such as picking up deadly snakes), driving out demons, and healing people, was a sign to authenticate the early believers and their message in their missionary endevours. Carry on reading the next couple of verses of Mark 16...

Mark 16:20 "Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it."

All those abilities were miraculous powers given to the early believers as confirming signs to others. They would 'wow' others and cause them to recognize that God was indeed with them, and so pay attention to the message they brought. Just as the tongues at Pentecost did. The other tongues in Acts has a similar confirming function - they caused the apostles to recognize that whole new groups of people were also genuine believers and should be accepted into the church.

This ability to perform miraculous signs was given by the Holy Spirit (Rom 15:19, Heb 2:4). It is therefore a gift of the Spirit - the same gift of tongues, miracles and healing as mentioned in 1 Cor 12.

The list of abilities in Mark 16:17 were not given to all believers. Although it happened in the first century, such miracles as picking up deadly snakes and drinking poison without harm are clearly not given to everyone today. Such confirming signs were only for the foundation of the church.

That is the sign giving function of tongues. Tongues spoken in private is not a sign to anyone. In fact private tongues is completely unbiblical. Nowhere in scripture does it advocate speaking in tongues in private. That would be an abuse of a spiritual gift which should only to be used for the benefit of others (1 Cor 12:7, 1 Peter 4:10).

The was also a secondary function of tongues of course when it was spoken in church meetings - to edify others (1 Cor 14) provided it was translated in the assembly.

Charismatics have already invented a new type of tongues, the 'heavenly' tongue to compliment the foreign tongues spoken in Acts which they clearly do not have. Now we have a further subdivision making 4 types of tongues. How many more types of tongues will have to be invented to order to try to get their preconceived ideas and experiences to align with scripture?

A couple more questions..

I take it by this understanding of Mark 16, if there is a sign and a gift of tongues, there must also be 2 types of healing - the sign of healing and the gift of healing and 2 types of miracles the sign of miracles and the gift of miracles. Perhaps you could tell us what the difference between those are?

If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how come 1 Cor 14:2 says tongues were spoken TO God?

If Corinthian tongues is the GIFT of tongues, how comes 1 Cor 14:14 says "if I pray in a tongue"? According to you isn't praying in tongues the SIGN of tongues?

Isn't the 'gift' of tongues in 1 Cor 14:22 also described as a 'sign'?

Sorry but, but like the miracle of hearing at Pentecost theory, there are just too many holes in this idea.

1. It should be pointed out that there are certain cross references that correlate with mark 16:17 where signs were displayed and this is one of them.

Hebrews 2:4King James Version (KJV)
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Conclusion of point 2: Signs and gifts of the spirit aren't the same thing. Gifts like prophecy are gifts you always just have at the ready, if you have a gift of prophecy you're in a sense a prophet and so forth. But signs are just indications of someone being a christian that may manifest from time to time such as speaking in tounques for example which is unique in that it's an initial sign upon reception of the holy spirit. I may one day lay hands on someone and they may be healed of a disease but that doesn't mean I have the gift of healing to where it's a common thing I do and I am called into. The gospel was verified by signs, wonders, and the gifts of the holy spirit and there is a distinction between each listed.

2. Additionally look at 1 corinthians 12:10

1 Corinthians 12:10King James Version (KJV)
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Conclusion of point 2: Diverse kinds of tounques/interpretation of tounques isn't the same as the tounques mentioned in acts.

2. I don't have much to say on this angelic tounque charismatics and certian pentecostals have invented becuase I don't believe in it.

1miraclechild · Jun 28, 2017

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
1. It should be pointed out that there are certain cross references that correlate with mark 16:17 where signs were displayed and this is one of them.

Hebrews 2:4King James Version (KJV)
4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Conclusion of point 2: Signs and gifts of the spirit aren't the same thing. Gifts like prophecy are gifts you always just have at the ready, if you have a gift of prophecy you're in a sense a prophet and so forth. But signs are just indications of someone being a christian that may manifest from time to time such as speaking in tounques for example which is unique in that it's an initial sign upon reception of the holy spirit. I may one day lay hands on someone and they may be healed of a disease but that doesn't mean I have the gift of healing to where it's a common thing I do and I am called into. The gospel was verified by signs, wonders, and the gifts of the holy spirit and there is a distinction between each listed.

2. Additionally look at 1 corinthians 12:10

1 Corinthians 12:10King James Version (KJV)
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Conclusion of point 2: Diverse kinds of tounques/interpretation of tounques isn't the same as the tounques mentioned in acts.

2. I don't have much to say on this angelic tounque charismatics and certian pentecostals have invented becuase I don't believe in it.

redleghunter · Jun 28, 2017

1stcenturylady said:
No they weren't, they were praising God. It was Peter who PREACHED.

I don't know you (but welcome) so I don't know if you were taught that speaking in tongues was for the sole purpose of preaching the gospel to foreigners. Were you?

And to answer your question, it contradicts 1 Corinthians 14:2.

Show me the text in Acts 2 where it says they were praising God?

Marvin Knox · Jun 28, 2017

1miraclechild said:
Bless you Saint John,
I, myself am Pentecostal & Lots of my Sisters & Brothers Speak in Tongues; Yet I Do Not & I Honestly Know Not Why? I'm Aware God's in No Hurry & Does Things His Way; Although I'm Confused as to Why I as of Now Do Not & Yes I've been Baptized. :'( Sadly I Suppose I am Asking Could you Help me to Understand Why Not Yet? love & prayers ;-) Rebecca
Another Day Closer To Heaven

I was in a similar situation as the one you are in or a great many years.

I have been around charismatic doctrine for most of my life and yet I did not speak in tongues. I even questioned whether some of the manifestations were real or just human proclivities.

I asked many times for the Lord to give me the ability - if it was truly from Him.

I saw it in scripture but could not see it in my own life.

I found myself in a situation where I was making a very long commute of several hours every few days.

I spent my time listening to the Word of God on tape, listening to praise music and praying to the Lord.

I remember telling Him that i could do as well imitating the tongues I heard spoken in charismatic circles as they could do. In other words what I was hearing was not real and I could mimic it if I wished to.

The Lord "told" me that the reason I could imitate it so well was because my ability to do so was the gift itself being manifested.

I stepped out in faith realizing that the Word of God assured me that I had nothing to fear by doing so.

I began to pray in tongues at length and discovered in time that I too had the gift or the ability to speak and pray in tongues.

My view on the matter has drastically changed since that morning.

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