The end is come, the end is come

James Honigman said:

Generationally (is that a word?) speaking, it has been exactly 2 days since our Beloved was crucified. As it is repeatedly written, and the third day, He shall rise again. Is our Lord about to rise again, to begin the 3rd day?
Moreover, generationally speaking, our generation (2017) is exactly 6 days out from Adam's creation. Is the 7th day, the millennial day, about to begin?
Any thoughts are appreciated. Bless this forum.

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Well if your theory is correct and we are to take each day as representative of 1000 years and this IS the 6th day think of this?

Christ rose just before sunup and the Hebrew day began at sundown (around 6 or 7 pm in our time). Counting forward to His rise time (around 5 or 6 am in our time) then around 10 hours had passed before He rose. Now apply this to your theory...

!000 years = a day (symbolically a 24 hour period) and Christ rose around the 9th or 10th hour according to the Hebrew concept of a day...and the millennial sabbath occurs AFTER He returns...

So now if we speculate this to be the sixth day (the 6th 1000 year) then if we divide 1000 by 24 we get around 41 years as 1 hour...so according to the theory (if correct and this is THE 6th 1000 year as opposed to a or some 6th 1000th year) we need to multiply the 41 years by 9 or 10 which means it will not begin until sometime near or after the year 2375 to 2416...

BUT if one speculates this to be the end of the 6th day...then Adstar's analysis is correct plus or minus about 4 years (some calculate a birth of our 4 BC and some calculate His death to be around 33 AD)

HenryM said:

For example, Israel, or Jewish nation, is fig tree per parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. Jesus did curse fig tree in Jerusalem, but He had to curse it somewhere. Had He cursed fig tree in Bethsaida, would you think that fig tree is Bethsaida? It doesn't mean fig tree isn't Jerusalem, but I think it's primarily whole Israel.

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Was Daniel a Jew? Yes, he was a Jew. The 70weeks of years were determined in Daniel 9 on Daniel's people, the Jews, and Jerusalem.

So although I recognize that Israel is compared to a fig tree in the Tanach. The 70 weeks of years addressed the Jews and Jerusalem. When Jesus returns, the 70 weeks of years will be complete.

Jerusalem is a focal point in the end times prophecies. I can't say the same for Bethsaida

HenryM said:

So not only do you have a problem by simplifying it to one simplest calculation (a+b=c), your one calculation is arbitrary in nature.

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Not arbritary, Henry. There is a bible basis for what the fig tree is and the length of a generation (Psalms 90:10)

If a person wants to use some "abritrary" statistics, city or only one country in the world as you present as a possibility for the basis of a generation, fine, but it is not a biblical basis.

HenryM said:

Now, if fig tree is actually Israel, and if generation is 82 years, then we have 1948+82=2030 as last possible final year. But what does this calculation mean? Not a lot, since I am not sure if either 1948 and 82 are correct numbers to calculate. We are in the season, but since we are so close, arbitrary calculations (not to mention one-trick-natured arbitrary calculations) can end up to be very misleading.

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Fine, if you want to use modern day statistics of one group of people, as opposed to a bible basis. But if you do, sticking with Israel as the fig tree, the seven years must begin not later that 2023. It might workout to be before then. I don't know. The combination I think is the right one - would necessitate that the 7 years start before 2030.

Douggg said:

Not arbritary, Henry. There is a bible basis for what the fig tree is and the length of a generation (Psalms 90:10)

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Yes, you arbitrarily chose 70 instead of 80, which is also noted in Psalms 90:10. So you may be off for 10 years. And since this is already the season, your calculation then is practically as good as being void. Not to mention the main thing - you are relying on one "lone ranger" calculation to get the most sought-after year of all creation.

HenryM said:

Yes, you arbitrarily chose 70 instead of 80, which is also noted in Psalms 90:10. So you may be off for 10 years. And since this is already the season, your calculation then is practically as good as being void. Not to mention the main thing - you are relying on one "lone ranger" calculation to get the most sought-after year of all creation.

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80 years is the exception, not the rule. King David died at how old? 70 years.

I am not saying 2037 as "the" year that Jesus returns. But sometime before the end of 2037.

James Honigman said:

Generationally (is that a word?) speaking, it has been exactly 2 days since our Beloved was crucified. As it is repeatedly written, and the third day, He shall rise again. Is our Lord about to rise again, to begin the 3rd day?
Moreover, generationally speaking, our generation (2017) is exactly 6 days out from Adam's creation. Is the 7th day, the millennial day, about to begin?
Any thoughts are appreciated. Bless this forum.

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God does a lot of this kind of thing, most don't even see it.
But you might really enjoy this man

SeventyOne said:

Well, the Revelation 12 rapture sign will be upon us in 89 days. So, we'll see.

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Yes, this arrangement of the stars, from what I have read, is very interesting. Apparently it has not happened since the about 6000 years ago... This is not just one source that I was reading from. Several sources, unrelated, have similar but slightly different methods but arrive at the same conclusion.

Remember why God gave us the stars and what purpose they serve?

Genesis 1:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Amen and GLORY TO JESUS! So many forget.. Jesus JUST LEFT! And will be right back..

I dont see your sign? END IS COME END IS COME...haha

JacksBratt said:

Yes, this arrangement of the stars, from what I have read, is very interesting. Apparently it has not happened since the about 6000 years ago... This is not just one source that I was reading from. Several sources, unrelated, have similar but slightly different methods but arrive at the same conclusion.

Remember why God gave us the stars and what purpose they serve?

Genesis 1:14King James Version (KJV)

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

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I don't know if you are familiar with Scott Clarke or not. I'd suggest heading out to his YouTube channel and looking at his videos. Very informative.

Scott Clarke

Adstar said:

But again the 1000 year day is a theory... It may or may not be true..

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It's true.
Hebrews 4
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them , not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

James Honigman said:

Thank you all so much for responding. I was afraid no one wanted to talk to the new kid in school. It seems most of us are in agreement that this generation shall not pass, and of course, we are not to know the exact time or the season for our Lord's return. The closest we can come is the generation of His return, as the Lord explained in 3 of His gospels. My "dating" comes from an old 19th century scholar, I'm not sure how to spell his name, Bullinger I think. Thanks again, I'm enjoying the forum.

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E.W. Bullinger (1837-1937) - Companion Bible KJV 1910 &1990 - Bullinger’s career in the Church of England spanned 1861 until 1888. He is so closely tied to what is now called "hyperdispensationalism" that it is sometimes referred to as Bullingerism.

Bullingerism differs from mainstream dispensationalism with regard to the beginning of the church. Mainstream dispensationalism holds that the Church began at Pentecost as described early in the New Testament book entitled "Acts of the Apostles". In stark contrast, Bullinger held that the Church, which the Apostle Paul revealed as the Body of Christ, began after the close of Acts, only revealed in the Prison Epistles of the Apostle Paul. E. W. Bullinger. "The Companion Bible, Appendix 192. THE PAULINE EPISTLES.

Bullinger was also a member of the Universal Zetetic Society and Zetetic Astronomy magazine – a flat earth society.

James Honigman said:

Thank you for your support, brother. I wrote about that 2 day delay in my first book, This Generation Shall Not Pass (I took it off the market a few months ago). Here is another one you might want to look at. When Y'shua met the woman at the well He ended up spending 2 days with the Samaritans, which tells us He would give the nations 2 days to come to Him. The Samaritans were considered Gentiles, therefore the time of the Gentiles is now coming to an end. Fortunately, as it is written, the Samaritans believed upon Him, because of His own word. The New Testament. Thanks for your input.

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That is pretty neat, thank you for sharing that with me. I believe the Lord has spoken about these things in His word, having declared the end from the beginning. The seven days of creation tell us about how things will unfold and end. An example would be that the millennial kingdom, when Christ reigns 1000 years on Earth, is represented in the seven days of creation as the Sabbath, the seventh day. That gives us a clue that the days of creation represent 1000 years of time. The scripture also tells us in 2 Peter 3:8 that a day to the Lord is as 1000 years.

I personally feel that this view of eschatology is the most firmly rooted in the scriptures. We must let the word of God interpret itself and God has given us clues in the creation account that reveal how the overall timeline of creation plays out. The scripture also admonishes us:

James 1:5

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you

We are all in need of Gods wisdom to understand the things of the end, and to understand setting the proper priorities. Our Lord asked a question in Matthew 24..when the Son of man returns will He really find faith on the Earth? Wisdom tells me that this is of primary importance. Will He find me doing what He told me to do? This is the crux, that without faith I won't be, and with faith I will be. The wise virgins are the ones who had their lamps filled with oil. I think they were called wise because they were properly prepared for the return of the bridegroom.

I think that it is great to understand that although we do not know the day or the hour, we do know the season. I believe we are in that "season".

It is also stated that "when we hear Peace" to be on the look out for His coming.
Is that a cry for peace, like we are hearing now? Or, an up and coming pause in this manic state of violence where everyone is talking of a lasting peace?

Either way, no matter how we speculate, we can be sure it is close and it will come when we don't expect it.

Matthew 24:43-44
“But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.“

SeventyOne said:

I don't know if you are familiar with Scott Clarke or not. I'd suggest heading out to his YouTube channel and looking at his videos. Very informative.

Scott Clarke

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Yes, I stumbled on to this exact presentation, somehow. Very interesting and note worthy theory... this could be a very exciting fall season...
Thanks for the link...

James Honigman said:

Thanks Adstar. By your calculation we have to wait another 13 years? I'm going to be too old to enjoy THE END! However, there may be people out there who could use those years wisely. By the way, the 1000 year/day is not a theory, it is fact. In fact, the Lord told us not to be "ignorant" of that scripture, which gives it even greater meaning. You find it in ll Peter 3.8 and it says, Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. I appreciate your input Adstar.

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You quote Peter 3:8 but it seems to me that you have not got the full meaning of the verse...

If it just said """ Beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the LORD as a thousand years""" Then i would whole heartedly agree with you and leave it at that.. But it then goes on to say """ and a thousand years as one day """ So a thousand years for God can be one day in our time or a day in our time or 1000 years in our time can be one day for the LORD .. Meaning that our time and His time are not linked in any ratio.. His time is not our universe time...

Also i do not think we shall enjoy the end times before the comming of our LORD Jesus... They will be terrible times it is always coldest and darkest just before the Dawn.. Oh yes we shall be joyfull when Jesus arrives but we shall have to go through the most terrible times on earth before He arrives..

James Honigman said:

Thanks Douggg. I'm getting hammered for my math, so I'll beg away from that. However, it is interesting that we both agree "the parable of the fig tree" commenced with Israel's return as a nation. That math is fairly simple, 70 years back this coming May. It is also revealing to analyze Y'shua's response to His disciples when the fig tree had amazingly dried up so quickly. He told them, Have faith in God. Therefore, we also agree that He certainly knew it would be another 2,000 years before the fig tree would make a comeback. I like your math.

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James, I am not thinking that Jesus's Second Coming is between now and May 2018 - simply because there is not enough time for the 7 years of Daniel 9:27 to fit in. I do believe that Israel a nation again, was a monumental end times sign. But the fig tree, I equate with Jerusalem - 1967 back in the hands of the Jews.

That would work out to Jesus returning before the end of 2037. Could be earlier, as long as we can work in the 7 years ahead of it. So whenever that 7 years start - Jesus's return will be at the conclusion of those 7 years.

Here's the combination again, that still everything can fit in....

1967+70 years = 2037. Not later than then, the end of 2037.
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Here's what we have to have before the seven years start.

1. The EU (or something else for those who don't subscribe to the EU theory) has to go to a ten leader form of Government with one leader over them.

2. Then the attack on Israel, by the force called Gog/Magog.

So that is only two things, in order. First the ten kings and the little horn, then the Gog/Magog attack. Follow by the 7 years. At the end of 7 years, Jesus returns.... all to take place between now and the end of 2037.