Does God Love Everyone, "Unconditionally"?

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But scripture says that we love because He first loved us. His love is causal. It does something.
Nothing i have said contradicts the scripture you have brought up.. Yes he loved us first thats true but we still have to come to love Him and knowing that He died for us sinners really helps to win our admiration and affection towards Him.. Along with all the other awesome teachings of wisdom He revealed to us in His Word..

I would never call the Love of God casuel.. That's a faulty kind of love humans are often guilty of..
 
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If I read the Bible as you do, I could make it say just about anything I wanted it to.

If the apostle Paul is addressing Christians in Rome, then we can definitely understand that his words apply to those particular people. We might also find indirect application to all Christians; however, being faithful students of scripture, cannot make Paul's words apply to all mankind.
Explain to me how I twisted Romans 8, Romans 5, John 3:16 and Acts 17 by applying God's love unconditionally to the world.

I have try my absolute hardest to interpret the Scripture according to the Holy Spirit that dwells in me, so if I am misunderstanding the scriptures then I can assume that the Spirit needs me corrected. So, please explain how I misunderstood those scriptures.

Oh, btw, reframe from assuming something about me without first asking.
 
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Nothing i have said contradicts the scripture you have brought up.. Yes he loved us first thats true but we still have to come to love Him and knowing that He died for us sinners really helps to win our admiration and affection towards Him.. Along with all the other awesome teachings of wisdom He revealed to us in His Word..

I would never call the Love of God casuel.. That's a faulty kind of love humans are often guilty of..
I didn't say casual. I said causal. His love causes something to happen.
 
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Explain to me how I twisted Romans 8, Romans 5, John 3:16 and Acts 17 by applying God's love unconditionally to the world.

I have try my absolute hardest to interpret the Scripture according to the Holy Spirit that dwells in me, so if I am misunderstanding the scriptures then I can assume that the Spirit needs me corrected. So, please explain how I misunderstood those scriptures.

Oh, btw, reframe from assuming something about me without first asking.

Why ask me if you have no need for instruction, as the Holy Spirit directly tells you the things? BTW, The Holy Spirit also gifted teachers. . .
 
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Why ask me if you have no need for instruction, as the Holy Spirit directly tells you the things? BTW, The Holy Spirit also gifted teachers. . .
I'm done. If you want to correct my misunderstanding that's fine, like we saw from Aquila and Priscilla who corrected Apollos even though all 3 had the Spirit, but I'm not here to go around in circles.
 
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The use of the world, "world" there is talking about the world system - the world order. It's referring to the "badness" of the world, not the "bigness" of the world. In other words, it does not say, God loved every single person, without exception, in this manner, that He gave. . . It says, God loved this evil place in such a manner, He gave. . .

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/does-god-love-everyone-the-same
 
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I didn't say casual. I said causal. His love causes something to happen.

Oh sorry about that miss reading of causal.. Well I am not sure about Him focing us to or causing us to love Him.. In the end a lot of people do.. But some don't.. A lot of people are offended by the Way of salvation..

When i discovered the Way of slavation i was so over the moon with joy i thought all i would have to do is tell people about the good news of the Way that God has made for us to be reconsiled with Him that everyone i talked to would jump for joy and become Christians right away.. But i have learned from years of experience some people just hate the message and think it is insulting..
 
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Many ways in which the word, "world" is used.

"But when they did not find them, they dragged before the city officials, shouting: “These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here," (Acts 17:6)

So the Pharisees said to one another, “You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him.” (John 12:19)
 
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Oh sorry about that miss reading of causal.. Well I am not sure about Him focing us to or causing us to love Him.. In the end a lot of people do.. But some don't.. A lot of people are offended by the Way of salvation..

When i discovered the Way of slavation i was so over the moon with joy i thought all i would have to do is tell people about the good news of the Way that God has made for us to be reconsiled with Him that everyone i talked to would jump for joy and become Christians right away.. But i have learned from years of experience some people just hate the message and think it is insulting..

Why did you receive the good news with joy, but others, as you say, are "offended by the way of salvation"?
 
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Oh sorry about that miss reading of causal.. Well I am not sure about Him focing us to or causing us to love Him.. In the end a lot of people do.. But some don't.. A lot of people are offended by the Way of salvation..

When i discovered the Way of slavation i was so over the moon with joy i thought all i would have to do is tell people about the good news of the Way that God has made for us to be reconsiled with Him that everyone i talked to would jump for joy and become Christians right away.. But i have learned from years of experience some people just hate the message and think it is insulting..
The verse does say that we love because. It doesn't say that we were allowed to love, or were freed to love if we wanted. It says because.
 
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The use of the world, "world" there is talking about the world system - the world order. It's referring to the "badness" of the world, not the "bigness" of the world. In other words, it does not say, God loved every single person, without exception, in this manner, that He gave. . . It says, God loved this evil place in such a manner, He gave. . .

Does God Love Everyone the Same?

You may want to rephrase that statement. God doesnt love the world system, its antithetical to Him. You choose God or the world. Kosmos is just a catch phrase for "all", "everybody"...


To find out what kind of love God has for us we must study all the analogies/parables used in the Bible.


However, we know , parables do not walk on all fours: the analogy fails after a certain point, there is no full one to one correspondence. For example in the parable of the lost coin, God rejoices when the coin which was lost is found. But we do not share the other attributes of the coin, except for the lost experience.


We know that God loves us.

Let's consider what kind of love God really has for us.


Is it the love of an artist/builder for his painting/building?

The Bible does say we are God’s temple, where His Holy Spirit dwells. But sometimes we allow ungodly things or persons into our lives, and the analogy fails, because it is a caretaker who allows trespassers to unlawfully enter a building.


Is it the love of a master/leader for a servant/team member?

Sure the Bible uses the example of a master/servant relationship, but Jesus teaches that it a temporary phase, because He tells His disciples that He no longer calls them servants, but friends


However, the love that is manifested by laying down your life is more closer to the love that a parent or brother or spouse or other family member manifests for another member than the love of a friend for a friend, so are we family?



Sufficiently confused?


Since we see all the analogies of house, servant, friend, family laid out, and are confused by what the love is for, the best option is to choose the analogy which has the most boxes checked.


We are family in the sense He is our Father, but He cares for us in the sense that we have the potential to grow into His likeness. In the sense that we are potentially capable of manifesting His image, we are seeds. He has provided everything in every sentient human the ability to do this. Those who do mature as desired when nurtured, guided, pruned, grafted, continue into life. He has a lot invested in every seed, possibly sacrificially, and the result isn't anything to be sneezed at, and again, possibly, priceless, ie not achievable any other way.


Those who are yet to mature through age, or can not mature because of physical inability, Scripture tells us that their angels always have their faces turned towards God. They are in their natural state, having no responsibility for contributing any input in terms of manifesting the full image of God. They are still seed, but God's seed still.


Those who consciously refuse to respond to the nudging of God's revelations and instructions through nature, conscience, or law finally face the fate of the unfruitful plant. Meant only to be cut down and consigned to the bonfire.


But see how much leeway, mercy and care is shown before that happens:


Let's give extra nurturing and wait for a year says the Master to the gardener, before deciding that the plant is wasting the resources used for its growth.

It is not that God’s love is unconditional which makes it marvelous and wonderful. It is the compassion and mercy that that love is filled with and rides on which is:


Exodus 34:6
Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth;


Psalm 86:5
For You, Lord, are good, and ready to forgive, And abundant in lovingkindness to all who call upon You.


Psalm 103:8
The LORD is compassionate and gracious, Slow to anger and abounding in lovingkindness.


Psalm 111:4
He has made His wonders to be remembered; The LORD is gracious and compassionate.


Psalm 116:5
Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; Yes, our God is compassionate.


Psalm 145:8
The LORD is gracious and merciful; Slow to anger and great in lovingkindness.


Ecclesiastes 8:11
Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed quickly, therefore the hearts of the sons of men among them are given fully to do evil.


Isaiah 63:7
I shall make mention of the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, the praises of the LORD, According to all that the LORD has granted us, And the great goodness toward the house of Israel, Which He has granted them according to His compassion And according to the abundance of His lovingkindnesses.


Jeremiah 3:12
"Go and proclaim these words toward the north and say, 'Return, faithless Israel,' declares the LORD; 'I will not look upon you in anger. For I am gracious,' declares the LORD; 'I will not be angry forever.


Jonah 4:2
He prayed to the LORD and said, "Please LORD, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that You are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, and one who relents concerning calamity.
 
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Why did you receive the good news with joy, but others, as you say, are "offended by the way of salvation"?

Pride... I think pride is the greatest detrament to a person comming to the LORD... You got to know and aknowledge you are a sinner in need of Gods forgivness and in need of God to save you.. A lot of people want to justify themselves.. Pride tells us to make it on our own merits and that anyone getting their off Someone elses merit is a thief and a fraud.. So if one tells them they they are relying 100% on the merit of Jesus they recoil at the thought of it..
 
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The God I serve, loves all the same. I am not loved more or better than the one who doesn't know/seek God. The grace of God is a gift not given by merit....it would be misguided to believe you are loved more than anyone else. What you do the least you do to Him.
Actually you are, because God's spirit lives in you. He does not live in the nonchristian.
You recieve the peace of God, something the nonchristian knows nothing about.
You have communion with God which again the nonchristian does not have.
Above all the second person of the trinity died in order that you might live you are loved and valued that much, but the nonchristian, while the potental for that same love is there, they know none of it.
 
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Okay. God love those who do good, and loves less than those who don't.
No his love is different not a case of greater or lesser.
A nonchristian gets the same sunshine as a christian, the same rain, wind etc etc
It is only in the spiritual realm that Gods love for Christians is lavish and extravagant.
 
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The use of the world, "world" there is talking about the world system - the world order. It's referring to the "badness" of the world, not the "bigness" of the world. In other words, it does not say, God loved every single person, without exception, in this manner, that He gave. . . It says, God loved this evil place in such a manner, He gave. . .

Does God Love Everyone the Same?
My biggest thing is to read Scripture in light of Scripture. When someone states something, I have to run to Scripture to see if what they say is true based on Scripture. I also am a sucker for reading every link that people give me, so I read the one you gave me...

This is particularly interesting...

3. God’s redeeming stance toward his fallen world
God so loved the world that he gave his Son (John 3:16). Some try to take kosmos (“world”) here to refer to the elect, but that really will not do. All the evidence of the word’s usage in John’s Gospel works against the suggestion. “World” in John refers more to badness than to bigness. It’s primarily the moral order in willful and culpable rebellion against God. In John 3:16, God’s sending love is to be admired not because it’s extended to so big a thing as the world, but to so bad a thing; not to so many people, but to such wicked people.

Nevertheless, John can elsewhere speak of the “whole world” (1 John 2:2), bringing bigness and badness together. More importantly, the disciples themselves once belonged to the world but were drawn out of it (e.g., John 15:19). God’s love for the world cannot be collapsed into his love for the elect.​

Now, these words were written by a man, so it is what it is, but I find the usage interesting. First, the word "world" is referred to people based on what he states because "badness/bad a thing" is referred to "not to so many people, but to such wicked people", secondly he says that God's love extended to "not to so many people, but to such wicked people, I now refer to Romans 3 but particularly the verse 23

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Here is the definition for "all". Strong's Greek: 3956. πᾶς (pas) -- all, every
We are ALL wicked before God because we all rebelled/sinned against Him. John 3:16 still reads that God loved everyone without condition by sending His Son.

But aside from that, the word "world" have five meanings: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment based on the link that I gave you. When reading it in context, the meaning "inhabitants in the world" is the only thing that fits the context.

I might still be misunderstanding what you're telling me, but as I read the link, I didn't see the idea that the world isn't related to all people.

EDIT: Thank you for the link, I am going to have to read it some more and I'll continue to study Scripture on this but I actually have to go. You have a great day.
 
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Pride... I think pride is the greatest detrament to a person comming to the LORD... You got to know and aknowledge you are a sinner in need of Gods forgivness and in need of God to save you.. A lot of people want to justify themselves.. Pride tells us to make it on our own merits and that anyone getting their off Someone elses merit is a thief and a fraud.. So if one tells them they they are relying 100% on the merit of Jesus they recoil at the thought of it..
So you were more humble than them. Okay.
 
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So you were more humble than them. Okay.

The conviction of the Holy Spirit effects different people differently.. But yes in the end the Bible message caused me to swallow my pride and aknowledge i was not good enough to win eternity by my personal merit. :)
 
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God loves everyone in that everyone has a life, sunshine, air, water, food etc as well as the knowledge that there is a God.

God's love for Christians is greater than his love for nonchristians, simple because one group is seeking to obey while the other is deliberatly not obeying.
I do not agree.
Yu might read my post 82. God would love everyone equally.
 
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