What must we do for the forgiveness of sins?

redleghunter said:

Is salvation based on our obedience or the Obedience of Jesus Christ?

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the way of salvation was made freely and graciously to us by christs obedience.
(its why in Acts they were called followers of The way)
but the application ofit to us is through our obedience.
since sin is disobedience and we are commanded to repent.
this oppurtunity to repent would not even exist with out the Obedience of Jesus.

It is gods love displayed to make it available.
it is our love returned to obey his instructions.

this is why there is dire warning to those who Disobey the Gospel.

ViaCrucis said:

And yet it was those who were the "most obedient" that Jesus condemned as white washed tombs, hypocrites, and as children of hell.

It is just as easy to feign righteousness through works as it is anything else.

-CryptoLutheran

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rubbish.
they were obedient to thier own ways and Man made rules and made mockary of the law.
they were not obedient to God.
they did not even care for truth.

they were driven by self acclaim and power and greed.
thier action proved the true state of thier hearts...they crucified the one he sent.

Alithis said:

the way of salvation was made freely and graciously to us by christs obedience.
(its why in Acts they were called followers of The way)
but the application ofit to us is through our obedience.
since sin is disobedience and we are commanded to repent.
this oppurtunity to repent would not even exist with out the Obedience of Jesus.

It is gods love displayed to make it available.
it is our love returned to obey his instructions.

this is why there is dire warning to those who Disobey the Gospel.

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Whose power is it to obey?

Meaning, is it our nature which causes us to obey or an act of the Holy Spirit?

I'm referencing Ezekiel 36:25-27

Alithis said:

the way of salvation was made freely and graciously to us by christs obedience.
(its why in Acts they were called followers of The way)
but the application ofit to us is through our obedience.
since sin is disobedience and we are commanded to repent.
this oppurtunity to repent would not even exist with out the Obedience of Jesus.

It is gods love displayed to make it available.
it is our love returned to obey his instructions.

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Whether we think of it as "works righteousness" or not, this talk about "obedience" comes across as the same thing.

disciple1 said:

Isaiah chapter 16 verse 5
In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it-- one from the house of David-- one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

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yes? and?

yet its not what the apostles preached on how to be saved is it.nope...
they preached repentance.
but that is because they agreed with the Holy Spirit who only speaks from God.
and Jesus said "that in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations,
so
"Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins ..."

redleghunter said:

Whose power is it to obey?

Meaning, is it our nature which causes us to obey or an act of the Holy Spirit?

I'm referencing Ezekiel 36:25-27

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Well let's think that through... Is it an act of the Holy spirit that makes us disobey?
Are we then greater then God that we can overide the spirit of God who would never make us disobey .nope
Adam was in perfection,without sin
.Did he disobey by his sinful nature...nope he didn't have a sinful nature.
Your trying to excuse .but you can't.
Your going to have to obey and repent and cease practicing your sin in order to be saved.

Its just what scripture states.

Albion said:

Whether we think of it as "works righteousness" or not, this talk about "obedience" comes across as the same thing.

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And again .. Works Paul spoke against ...
What were they?
The command to repent and STOP going your own disobedient way
Cannot be done without ceasing from DISobedience and beginning Obedience.

Alithis said:

yes? and?

yet its not what the apostles preached on hiw to be saved is it.nope...
they preached repentance.
but that is because they agreed with the Holy Spirit who only speaks from God.
and Jesus said "that in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations,
so
"Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins ..."

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Alithis said:

they preached repentance

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Matthew chapter 21
32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Luke chapter 3

7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”

13 “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.

14 Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

Alithis said:

The command to repent and STOP going your own disobedient way
Cannot be done without ceasing from DISobedience and beginning Obedience.

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As has been pointed out many times before, anyone who has received the gift of saving faith necessarily will become faithful. They are inseparable.

There are no two ways around that, and there's no great mystery about the linkage. Faith saves, and people who have faith will demonstrate it.

But you cannot enhance your salvation or improve your chances by going around collecting chits from God for performing good deeds! You have already been saved, which is why you'd feel the desire follow the Lord and do good.

disciple1 said:

Matthew chapter 21
32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Luke chapter 3

7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”

13 “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.

14 Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

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Yes..again .I agree with all these scriptures

But I'm not sure of your point

The OP asks what must we do for forgivness...
The scriptures plainly state .
Repent! And be baptised.

Both of these are acts of faith.
Both are obedience
Both are outward action based upon true inner belief.

Albion said:

As has been pointed out many times before, anyone who has received the gift of saving faith necessarily will become faithful. They are inseparable.

There are no two ways around that, and there's no great mystery about the linkage. Faith saves, and people who have faith will demonstrate it.

But you cannot enhance your salvation or improve your chances by going around collecting chits from God for performing good deeds! You have already been saved, which is why you'd feel the desire follow the Lord and do good.

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None said othewise

Alithis said:

Well let's think that through... Is it an act of the Holy spirit that makes us disobey?
Are we then greater then God that we can overide the spirit of God who would never make us disobey .nope
Adam was in perfection,without sin
.Did he disobey by his sinful nature...nope he didn't have a sinful nature.
Your trying to excuse .but you can't.
Your going to have to obey and repent and cease practicing your sin in order to be saved.

Its just what scripture states.

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I didn't make an excuse. I quoted YHWH.

Our obedience is what is due to our Lord. He will reward us for our service. He does not have to but He says He will.

Sure we sin, however the same Gracious God leads us to repentance.

We are told to examine ourselves before partaking in the Lord's Supper. We are told to continuously examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.

Even with sorrowful repentance, our obedience won't get us in the gates of the Kingdom. Only Christ's imputed righteousness can (Romans 4)

Alithis said:

Yes..again .I agree with all these scriptures

But I'm not sure of your point

The OP asks what must we do for forgivness...
The scriptures plainly state .
Repent! And be baptised.

Both of these are acts of faith.
Both are obedience
Both are outward action based upon true inner belief.

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I would just add we are responding to a calling.

Monk Brendan said:

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved! Yes, believing is WORK. Trusting in work. Praying is work.

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Monk Brendan said:

But all of these are works. What Albion is talking about is trying to BUY your way into heaven. This cannot be done. However, once you are grafted in to the Vine, we produce fruits in the way of love, caring, visiting the sick, feeding the hungry, and all these things.

However, taking a look at Matt 25:31-46, we don't see any of the things that you are saying you must do, and we do see a lot of people doing things that ARE considered work, like feeding the poor, etc. Now, how do we do these good works without forgiving, believing, trusting, asking God for help? We can't.

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I speak from my experience in my growth of faith
There are works that we do from OUR understanding that are directed by the written word of the Bible of what to do. These are works that we take a personal initiative to do. Many of these works are done out of a desire to please God and we go away with the happies of having pleased Him. I suggest these works do not take faith to accomplish them because Lord does not have to show up to validate your obedience. Lord commanded US to "GO". The anointing is within US and can come upon US to do His works requiring faith.
These are GOoD works that the mind of Christ in us gives direction to do. We get quickened with a nudge/thought to step out in faith to go somewhere or phone someone or a thousand other quickening thoughts not of our self. When we obey the Lord's "main" thought and step out, not knowing the why, or how etc and God shows and the super-natural happens (not a COINCIDENCE, or not necessarity in a big way, but in a confirming way. Now we know in our heart that God's hand is on the event "a God work" not of our initiation. We get a boost in understanding of why Lord asked us and our faith is built up, more and more, glory to glory, one event at a time. It is written "I will know your works by your faith". The greater works are in front of US but we need to prove our trust in God and God will return the trust to do greater works. QUESTION TO ALL: with Christ in you, what is your "hope of glory". How is His resurrection life being manifested??? It is a tough question to ask but one His body MUST ask to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. IT is written "those who desire to live Godly in Christ will be persecuted".
Lord bless OUR Body with a deeper touch of Your love, drawing US closer to You; revealing the whole truth of what is required for being a worker in Your harvest.

Alithis said:

Yes..again .I agree with all these scriptures

But I'm not sure of your point

The OP asks what must we do for forgivness...
The scriptures plainly state .
Repent! And be baptised.

Both of these are acts of faith.
Both are obedience
Both are outward action based upon true inner belief.

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Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
You sin, and continue to sin.

Jeff4607 said:

Many of the saints seem to be confused as to what constitutes a "work". So I will ask this rhetorical question. What must we do to receive forgiveness, and if there is something we must do, is it work?

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Forgiveness is for the past present and future. We are only are of what is past and maybe current. To sin is to miss the mark. The mark is the target> as long as you are aiming at the target you will sense the need of forgiveness when you do not get hit the "bulls eye" as in archery. Well it has been delt with on the cross! ONCE AND FOR ALL, ALL THE WORLD TO RECEIVE. He will never leave US or forsake US must bring US comfort and not confuse the truth of Lord's grace. I add what I previously wrote on works, in case you do not come across it.
WORKS verses GOoD works
I speak from my experience in my growth of faith
There are works that we do from OUR understanding that are directed by the written word of the Bible of what to do. These are works that we take a personal initiative to do. Many of these works are done out of a desire to please God and we go away with the happies of having pleased Him. I suggest these works do not take faith to accomplish them because Lord does not have to show up to validate your obedience. Lord commanded US to "GO". The anointing is within US and can come upon US to do His works requiring faith.
These are GOoD works that the mind of Christ in us gives direction to do. We get quickened with a nudge/thought to step out in faith to go somewhere or phone someone or a thousand other quickening thoughts not of our self. When we obey the Lord's "main" thought and step out, not knowing the why, or how etc and God shows and the super-natural happens (not a COINCIDENCE, or not necessarity in a big way, but in a confirming way. Now we know in our heart that God's hand is on the event "a God work" not of our initiation. We get a boost in understanding of why Lord asked us and our faith is built up, more and more, glory to glory, one event at a time. It is written "I will know your works by your faith". The greater works are in front of US but we need to prove our trust in God and God will return the trust to do greater works. QUESTION TO ALL: with Christ in you, what is your "hope of glory". How is His resurrection life being manifested??? It is a tough question to ask but one His body MUST ask to work out their salvation with fear and trembling. IT is written "those who desire to live Godly in Christ will be persecuted".
Lord bless OUR Body with a deeper touch of Your love, drawing US closer to You; revealing the whole truth of what is required for being a worker in Your harvest.

redleghunter said:

Whose power is it to obey?

Meaning, is it our nature which causes us to obey or an act of the Holy Spirit?

I'm referencing Ezekiel 36:25-27

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John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words which I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but to work out the good is not. We are weak, weak, weak, only with surrender to the strengthening of our Lord can anything eternal be accomplished.

Alithis said:

rubbish.
they were obedient to thier own ways and Man made rules and made mockary of the law.
they were not obedient to God.
they did not even care for truth.

they were driven by self acclaim and power and greed.
thier action proved the true state of thier hearts...they crucified the one he sent.

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And the same is true of all who believe in their own righteous efforts instead of the righteous obedience of Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

stealthsaint said:

Forgiveness is for the past present and future. We are only are of what is past and maybe current.

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Forgiveness is for the past and present - provided that there is repentance. How can one repent of sins in the future, yet to be committed? As far as I know, there is no scripture that states that future sins are automatically forgiven.

redleghunter said:

I didn't make an excuse. I quoted YHWH.

Our obedience is what is due to our Lord. He will reward us for our service. He does not have to but He says He will.

Sure we sin, however the same Gracious God leads us to repentance.

We are told to examine ourselves before partaking in the Lord's Supper. We are told to continuously examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith.

Even with sorrowful repentance, our obedience won't get us in the gates of the Kingdom. Only Christ's imputed righteousness can (Romans 4)

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And his rightousness is imputed to us How?
By faith... Being what we do in obedience to what he has instructed.
Faith is an action not a thing.

Just Abraham...has faith. How do we know he had faith? He went and Did what he was told to do..ie obedience.

You won't ever exclude it.
But ignore it And remain disobedient and no one will be saved.

Though people do like to be patted on the back and told its ok as long as you believe... But it's not ok to just say you do.