Liberal California Adds Four States To Travel Ban Over Differing Perspectives On Religion And LGBTQ

So the state doesn't want to pay for travel for state business if the travel involves going to places where some people may not be able to recieve services. Seems reasonable. I could see the alternative...filling out travel reimbursement forms for an extra motel room because the motel owner wouldn't allow a woman to room with her lesbian coworker, for example.

There are exceptions to the ban, however. For example, if travel is required to maintain grant funding or licensure, or for auditing and revenue collection purposes.

In other words, it's pretty much virtue signaling and nothing else.

essentialsaltes said:

Jesus never said anything about it.

He said things like 'love your neighbor as you love yourself.'

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So you rest your case on arguments from silence? Jesus endorsed the law, and before you bring up mixed clothing or whatever other silliness, the law is divided into moral laws (mishpatim) and civil laws (hukim/chukim). Sexual behaviors are listed under moral laws, while the rest that people like to point out are civil laws, meant to mark Israel as being separate unto God.

essentialsaltes said:

Jesus never said anything about it.

He said things like 'love your neighbor as you love yourself.'

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Jesus spoke about the sin of homosexuality from Genesis to the Book of Revelation

Desk trauma said:

Yet made no comment on public accommodation business abiding by the laws of their states.



Be that as it may there is equality before the law in the US.



If denying service until people conform to your religion is goal I'm confused as to why this is the only sin Christians focused on. The biggest issue is not believing rather than other actions yet I'm unaware of Christians demanding exemption from religious discrimination laws in public accommodations just ones related to teh gay.



I'm unconvinced that I will exist after my brain ceases to function hence my concern remains on the only existence I know I will have.

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then I suggest you begin looking to the future which is certain for you. You may be interested in the book of John to start. God bless you on your journey

Rion said:

So you rest your case on arguments from silence?

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The person I was replying to talked about what Jesus teaches 'on this one point'. The fact is, Jesus does not address this point.

Jesus endorsed the law, and before you bring up mixed clothing or whatever other silliness, the law is divided into moral laws (mishpatim) and civil laws (hukim/chukim). Sexual behaviors are listed under moral laws, while the rest that people like to point out are civil laws, meant to mark Israel as being separate unto God.

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We know what Jesus teaches about divorce. He said it was generally equivalent to adultery (that would be a sexual behavior law and part of the Ten Commandments). Most Christians today don't care much about that teaching. They'd rather spend their time clamoring about something he never talked about.

FireDragon76 said:

What makes you think gays don't know God? Living in Orlando, I've read/seen alot of the Pulse night club attack survivors talk about their experiences and recovery, and they are not strangers to prayer or faith in God. The reality is that gays now have their own churches and they have allies in many mainline Christian churches. They don't need your "old time religion" based on self-loathing.

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They are strangers to God, FireDragon. One needs to be born again to be a child of God. To become born again, one needs to repent of their sin.
You may be interested in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Ephesians 5:5, Galatians 5:19-21

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

I'm not seeing how it's okay to deny services to a gay people and not other sinners. Maybe the law doesn't allow it. Just like it discrimination shouldn't be allowed with gay people. I really don't care if gays think it's not a sin . It doesn't really matter. When it comes to excluding their sin and not other peoples sins.

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Cakes are being denied because people don't want to endorse immorality. If a Christian is being asked to participate in a homosexual wedding, for example, they should turn it down, as we are instructed to shun the appearance of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22

How did Indiana get left off the list, we have a religious liberty law that protects people who don't want to make cakes for gay marriages.

essentialsaltes said:

The person I was replying to talked about what Jesus teaches 'on this one point'. The fact is, Jesus does not address this point.



We know what Jesus teaches about divorce. He said it was generally equivalent to adultery (that would be a sexual behavior law and part of the Ten Commandments). Most Christians today don't care much about that teaching. They'd rather spend their time clamoring about something he never talked about.

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Because he was speaking to Jewish people. That'd be like telling them not to worship Jupiter. It was kind of a given.

As for divorce, yeah, it's wrong and people like to ignore the parts they don't like. They're hypocrites, but just because some who follow Christ, or say they do, violate one aspect, doesn't mean that they should violate all aspects. Should they take care of their own sin before complaining after others? Absolutely, but if one sees a neighbor sinning and does not say anything, in a loving manner mind you, then you do not love them:

Leviticus 19:9-18

Apparently they only use Ye Olde Translations. Here's a modern translation.

9 “When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, neither shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. 10 And you shall not strip your vineyard bare, neither shall you gather the fallen grapes of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.

11 “You shall not steal; you shall not deal falsely; you shall not lie to one another. 12 You shall not swear by my name falsely, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.

13 “You shall not oppress your neighbor or rob him. The wages of a hired worker shall not remain with you all night until the morning. 14 You shall not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block before the blind, but you shall fear your God: I am the Lord.

15 “You shall do no injustice in court. You shall not be partial to the poor or defer to the great, but in righteousness shall you judge your neighbor. 16 You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life[a] of your neighbor: I am the Lord.

17 “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. 18 You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

mark kennedy said:

How did Indiana get left off the list, we have a religious liberty law that protects people who don't want to make cakes for gay marriages.

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Mike Pence assured everybody the law did not do that. Nobody believed him, and so later an amendment was passed and signed by Pence.

"Last weekend I called upon the Indiana General Assembly to clarify that this new judicial standard would not create a license to discriminate or to deny services to any individual as its critics have alleged. I am grateful for the efforts of legislators, business and other community leaders who came together to forge this clarifying language in the law."

So, no, there is no such law in Indiana.

Mrs.PGL said:

I'm pleased to hear there are 4 states left who care about morality and that people journey toward Heaven and not Hell. Let's pray that more come to their senses.

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Is that really the government's job?

mark kennedy said:

How did Indiana get left off the list, we have a religious liberty law that protects people who don't want to make cakes for gay marriages.

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Apparently that isn't the case, but honestly, if someone doesn't want to make a cake because they think your union is sinful, why would you want to force them to in the first place? Take your business to someone who agrees with you.

Cearbhall said:

Is that really the government's job?

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Only when it's a Republican government.

Mrs.PGL said:

then I suggest you begin looking to the future which is certain for you.

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I do my best to think long term, but in ~50 or so years this whole show is over for me.

You may be interested in the book of John to start. God bless you on your journey

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I read that in the past, granted it has been years, but it would be way down my ever growing reading list.

Mrs.PGL said:

Cakes are being denied because people don't want to endorse immorality. If a Christian is being asked to participate in a homosexual wedding, for example, they should turn it down, as we are instructed to shun the appearance of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:22

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Making a cake. Is just making a cake. Why are they just denying cakes for gay people. But not other sinners.

777Sloan said:

『California has issued a ban on state-funded and state-sponsored travel to four more states that it says have laws discriminating against LGBTQ people.

The travel ban was first put into effect January 1 when state measure AB 1887 became law. The law says California is "a leader in protecting civil rights and preventing discrimination" and should not support or finance "discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people."

The travel ban list also includes states that California believes don't protect religious freedoms and states that it says use religious freedom as a basis of discrimination.』

California travel ban: 4 states added to list - CNN.com

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So this doesn't actually restrict travel...it just avoids using taxpayer money for it?

Seems like something republicans can get behind.

Ana the Ist said:

So this doesn't actually restrict travel...it just avoids using taxpayer money for it?

Seems like something republicans can get behind.

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I think I read that the financial kicker here is that this restricts State University sports teams' travel ... think bowl games, etc.

FireDragon76 said:

My church teaches we are born again when we have faith, whether that is as an adult or a child being gifted it in baptism, does not matter. Repentance is a fruit of faith, it is not a work we do.

Gay people can have faith the same as anybody else, therefore they can be saved. It's not your place to judge their repentance, you have no authority over them. I am afraid for you that many of them are closer to God than you are.



Of course, humans are so depraved even the good gifts of God are misused at times.

If fundamentalist evangelical spent even half the time they did fighting their own sins, that they do trying to fight everybody's else, the world might be a paradise. The pharisees never died, they just found a new host. Jesus warned us about their leaven centuries ago.

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Homosexuals are not saved. A Christian does not unrepentantly sin against Christ.

Hebrews 10:26-27New International Version (NIV)

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

1 John 2: 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”

1 John 1:6 - If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

1 John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

Galatians 6:7-8

New Living Translation (NLT)

7 Don’t be misled—you cannot mock the justice of God. You will always harvest what you plant. 8 Those who live only to satisfy their own sinful nature will harvest decay and death from that sinful nature. But those who live to please the Spirit will harvest everlasting life from the Spirit.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Cearbhall said:

Is that really the government's job?

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You would have them pushing immorality?

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Making a cake. Is just making a cake. Why are they just denying cakes for gay people. But not other sinners.

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They do not want to take part of an immoral act. Grant them some respect.