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Saint JOHN

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Absolutely !!!

Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues as the spirit gives direct undefileable contact with GOD !

Just as in the beginning ..Acts 2v4.. included Mary the mother of Jesus....

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth....according to the word, to pray in the Spirit :

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


the first 2 is your part...the third is Gods seal of approval !

Holy Ghost + speaking in tongues .. no tongues no Spirit..

Ro 8:9 .............Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Not to be confused with the demonstration IN THE CHURCH (max 3) to show you are who you say you are !!
when you pray..go to your closet, private place and pray...


confess Jesus Christ..his way...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

package deal

obtain the Grace,Mercy and Faith that Jesus Christ has made avaliable to whomsoever will..

or have the adversaries religious confusion..just words no power !
 

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Absolutely !
addendum..........
..................Baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit are two separate events; it is not automatic...

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power,........

This con man was willing to pay !! if it was just give your heart to the Lord stuff or sign a card etc he could have conned them, (as they do today;no matter how nice they smile as they murder your spiritual chances !) He saw and heard something actually happen !

Go to your private place and ask GOD (not your own mind or someone else)
its free and will be an amazing event..!!!



5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 
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Hi, SaintJOHN.

So you're making a case for snake handling as evidence of having received the Holy Spirit and as a necessary consequence ("immediate outward evidence") of becoming a Christian.

Interesting. I guess there are a handful of churches in Appalachia that would agree.
 
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'Tongues' today is not the spiritual gift of the Bible.

Not only is it not the same, it is seldom 'performed' under the required circumstances or correct intentions.

Glossolalia is what it is.
 
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Hi, SaintJOHN.

So you're making a case for snake handling as evidence of having received the Holy Spirit and as a necessary consequence ("immediate outward evidence") of becoming a Christian.

Interesting. I guess there are a handful of churches in Appalachia that would agree.
Careful kind Sir....St Patrick of Hibernia drove out all the snakes in Ireland (as lore has it). Don't know if that was 'snake handling' of the Appalachia manner....:)
 
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Oh Boy...why call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say !

I think the apostle Paul made it quite clear the gift of tongues was a gift and not the only gift:

1 Cor. 12:7-11,28-31, "But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills...28 And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. 29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts."
 
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Oh Boy...why call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say !

Jesus didn't tell us to speak in tongues; if that's what you're implying.
 
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Absolutely !!!

Receive the Holy Ghost and the immediate outward evidence speaking in tongues as the spirit gives direct undefileable contact with GOD !

Just as in the beginning ..Acts 2v4.. included Mary the mother of Jesus....

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth....according to the word, to pray in the Spirit :

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


the first 2 is your part...the third is Gods seal of approval !

Holy Ghost + speaking in tongues .. no tongues no Spirit..

Ro 8:9 .............Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Not to be confused with the demonstration IN THE CHURCH (max 3) to show you are who you say you are !!
when you pray..go to your closet, private place and pray...


confess Jesus Christ..his way...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

package deal

obtain the Grace,Mercy and Faith that Jesus Christ has made avaliable to whomsoever will..

or have the adversaries religious confusion..just words no power !

Before the scriptures were completed, God used the voices of people.
 
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As for the snake syndrome !..beside divine protection..thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God !!! so going out of your way to literally pick up snakes is not on !!! as a clue..what did Jesus call the so called God worshipers of his time..vipers snakes..etc etc !! mark 16v16+ ( you got them or not ?)

if you dont worship in the spirit then his command means nothing to you..

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)

symbiotic relationship ..tongues + spirit......!! no tongues = no spirit none of his !! you just religious ..flesh...like those of Jesus Christ time..Just ask God and do it !!!
 
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Before the scriptures were completed, God used the voices of people.
Telling other people the Gospel message, that is. They didn't just come forth with an unintelligible message in an unknown language and hope that pagans would acclaim Christ as Lord and Savior after hearing that.
 
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Oh; and for the GIFT OF TONGUES ... IN THE CHURCH..

18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding:

use gifts in the CHURCH ( when people come together, not a building !) only max 3 then corresponding interpretation and then max 3 prophecy all decent and in ORDER ( is used only to show you are who you say you are !) go into your private room to pray (in the spirit !)
 
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The Spirit is the Heart of the Gospel message !?

Ro 8:9 ...... Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Lu 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

acts 2v4 ...
 
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As for the snake syndrome !..beside divine protection..thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God !!! so going out of your way to literally pick up snakes is not on !!! as a clue..what did Jesus call the so called God worshipers of his time..vipers snakes..etc etc !! mark 16v16+ ( you got them or not ?)

if you dont worship in the spirit then his command means nothing to you..

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (MUST)

symbiotic relationship ..tongues + spirit......!! no tongues = no spirit none of his !! you just religious ..flesh...like those of Jesus Christ time..Just ask God and do it !!!

So if you can't talk in tongues you aren't a Christian? Is that what you're saying?
 
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I can replicate tongues-speaking and so can most members of any church that places a lot of emphasis upon doing so (but not on the other gifts that are harder to imitate, notice). However, that doesn't mean the sounds are what 'tongues' meant in the New Testament.
 
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Its not a matter of REPLICATING anything ! its what happens the moment you recieve the Holy Ghost ! the Spirit does this !!!! or else..

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
 
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Its not a matter of REPLICATING anything !
Sure it is. The original tongues described in the New Testament were nothing like today's imitations. And today's tongues came about because some preachers said believers ought to have that gift. So they produced it. But that's not the nature of a gift.

People can make sounds and think that's the Holy Ghost at work, but you know that tongues are described in the Bible along with other gifts. How many of these others do you see people demonstrating, compared to speaking in unintelligible sounds? That's because the others can't be copied nearly as easily.
 
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NO tongues no spirit ..yep none of his (only religious in your own way not Gods !)

Nope. No Holy Spirit =
- unable to confess Jesus as Lord, 1 Corinthians 12:3
- not born again, John 3:3
- only able to walk in the flesh, Romans 8:5-8, Galatians 5:16-18
- not able to interpret Scripture or understand the things of God, John 14:24; John 16:14-16
- no assurance that you are a child of God, Romans 8:16
- no assurance of the things to come, 2 Corinthians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:13-14
- unable to show the fruits of the Spirit, Galatians 5:22-23.
 
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