Can a Christian lose his/her salvation?

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The BEMA judgment of Christ, is not to determine our salvation, but rather, that which pertains to rewards we have earned, if any, or those we my have los, as recorded in the following:

1 Cor.3:10 "By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."

2 Cor.5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body," whether good or bad.



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Peace be with you.

Good luck with that.

God bless you.
 
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Thinking about this issue lets talk about the "treasures" of heaven. Yes we know its not talking about literal things like gold and what not. But the bible talks about those who (for lack of better words) struggle more, mess up at times will receive less treasure in heaven. While no one knows what exactly that means, would the OSAS be wrong then in its thinking in that case?

Because many say OSAS means you are only a good person and never do bad things. And if you do bad things then you were not saved to begin with. But if that is the case how can you receive less "treasure" if your being bad if OSAS people say being bad means your not saved to begin with? Kind of another problem with OSAS.

Though it also does pose a problem with my logic to that OSAS is not true. Because if people who mess up still get into heaven, then it means I am wrong. Or maybe it means we don't exactly know what it means. Bad people as in "Ted over there swore alot as a christian but still went to heaven!" or bad people as in "Tom over there was a rapist and still went to heaven!". I assume maybe it means bad people who still make it are those who stumbled really, not literally bad people who commit evil acts.

But if that is the case then I would be correct on my view of OSAS being false. If you become so far from God and so evil, then you do not enter heaven because of that.

Now people may say "But you cant lose salvation!". True you cannot lose it, hence why you can repent even if your so far gone and then still go into heaven. But if you don't repent and are so far gone, then you do not get into heaven.


On the contrary, how do you answer Him when asked about burning so many souls out with your 24/7 rule-keeping and ultimately driving them away from Him?
Same could be said for those who believe in OSAS.

disagree; the idea of lose-able salvation was what eventually burned me out to the point of complacency
I definitely understand where your coming from. I went through the same thing. However if someone is burned out then it means they lacked the hope and trust in God so realize if they are on a good path or not. Yes that includes me from before. After all if we have nothing to fear and are saved no matter what then we really can do anything we want without worry. Become a bank robber, get into fights, maybe just be lazy and do nothing with our lives.

If we realize we can lose out on heaven then it means we will actually be better at trying to make sure we are always trying to be the best christian we can.

So then a lot more people are deceived into beleiving they are saved,
than get saved and later lose their salvation.
Either way, they perish.
 
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Forgot to mention this article about where OSAS started and proof of it being a false doctrine:
Once Saved, Always Saved? | Inside Report Magazine | Amazing Facts

This also shows me since its from calvanists, then its a smaller view that is not common and makes me wonder why non-calvanists would preach OSAS. I mean let's say your baptist and preach OSAS, wouldn't that go against baptists views?
 
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What prophecy of John 10:27-28 is not fulfilled?

Regardless one cannot be of the sheep of verse 28 without a faithful present tense hearing and following of Christ per v 27. So we have both sides of the salvation equation:

1) faithfulness to Christ and His word Revelation 2:10; 1 Cor 4:1-2
2) God's faithfulness to the group Christian, Christ's sheep

Another passage when OSASers pull a verse out of context in regards to #2 but ignore #1.

Phil 1:6 "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

It is ASSUMED Paul's confidence God would continue a good work in them was based upon OSAS.

Yet verse 5 says "For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;" Says they faithfully remained in the gospel from the first say until now which is the same as they continued to hear and follow Christ from the first day until now. Their faithfulness in remaining in the gospel is the basis of Paul's confidence of God's continued work in them.... not OSAS.

There were those in Galatia that did not faithfully remain in the gospel (Galatians 1:6-7) unlike those in Philippi. And unlike in Philippi Paul does NOT say anything about God continuing a good work in those in Galatia that were unfaithful and did not continue to hear and follow Christ. Instead Paul told those unfaithful Galatians they had fallen from grace Gal 5:4.
Brother, you do not even see that you are as the foolish Galatians.
Gal. 3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
 
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Thinking about this issue lets talk about the "treasures" of heaven. Yes we know its not talking about literal things like gold and what not. But the bible talks about those who (for lack of better words) struggle more, mess up at times will receive less treasure in heaven. While no one knows what exactly that means, would the OSAS be wrong then in its thinking in that case?
This is a topic for another thread. Let us not change the subject or hijack this thread. Start another thread and post the link here. :)
 
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Because many say OSAS means you are only a good person and never do bad things. And if you do bad things then you were not saved to begin with. But if that is the case how can you receive less "treasure" if your being bad if OSAS people say being bad means your not saved to begin with? Kind of another problem with OSAS.
This is NOT what OSAS says! OSAS says that we are redeemed, bought with a price. The price being the precious blood of Lord Jesus. You do understand what happens when you buy something don't you?
 
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So all christians are perfect once saved? Its impossible to become a monster?

In a sense, they are perfect, once saved. Every person who is born again is placed in Christ, clothed in his perfect righteousness, and thereby stand before God justified and accepted by Him. But this is a forensic state of affairs, a positional reality, for every believer, not necessarily a reality of their experience. The Christian life is the process whereby what is true of a believer positionally is more and more reflected in their daily living.

The true disciple of Christ has been indwelt by the Spirit of the God of the Universe. It is strange how little significance people give this fact. What has happened, I think, is that many people claiming to be saved are not and so give no evidence of the Holy Spirit within them. I don't mean speaking in tongues, prophecy, being slain in the Spirit and all that silly hyper-charismatic stuff, but the things the Bible tells us we ought to look for as evidence of the Spirit indwelling: Love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, etc.; a hunger for the word of God; a new sensitivity to sin; love of the Christian brethren; victory over sin, and so on. Because the Spirit isn't in evidence in the lives of so many of those claiming to be saved, the belief that has settled upon Christians is that being saved, being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, is not a particularly transformative event. But those who have the Spirit of the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of the Universe living within them cannot be the people they once were, they are fundamentally altered and cannot, I believe, ever become a monster.

What if a christian who became a monster changed their life yet again and lived like Jesus, after all we repent and what not. Would you say they are not saved still? Thats the flaw in OSAS.

You can't make up hypotheticals that are so removed from reality and expect to come to legitimate conclusions about OSAS. Your odd imaginings do not serve as good ground for thinking out the ramifications of OSAS.

I also would assume you are perfect of course in terms of being a christian. You have never messed up once you were saved? To say you have never messed up would mean you are lying and thus you have now messed up.

What are you going on about here? Yikes! I have never asserted I was sinlessly perfect. There is, then, no lie I've told in this regard and therefore no mess up.

So stating one is a true christian (which is what you are doing) means you are uttering words that could come back around later in life and cause you to stumble hard when a trial hits.

I'm afraid this is just more of your imaginative extrapolating which has no weight outside of your own mind.

There are many scriptures I could throw at you but thats not really my thing. Becasuse anyone can throw a scripture and twist what it says or take it out of context.

And so? How do you know when someone is doing this? What hermeneutical standards do have by which to judge the legitimacy of a person's views on Scripture? Just because people can twist the truth doesn't mean the truth ceases to exist or is impossible to find. Just watch an episode of "Columbo" and you'll see what I mean.

So is it unreal or is it just to hard for you to answer it because you may be wrong about it? Seems your side skirting/redirecting to avoid it.

As far as I'm concerned, your hypothetical is just as I said it was. I am not obliged to answer to whatever kooky imaginings you are able to draw up in an effort to make your point.

How do you know this? Because you have not snapped? Have you had a family member murdered? Lost a child? Maybe went bankrupt? Prideful christians tend to talk the talk until something happens to them, then they learn the art of being humble.

This is just one long deflection from my questions and their underlying point. Will you answer my questions? Or continue to deflect and so concede my point?

You doubt it, but you also said OSAS is true. So Hitler didn't make it? And you can't say "He wasn't really saved then!" because again its wiggling out of truth.

??? Hitler wasn't a Christian. Surely this is starkly obvious to you. Where, then, is my "wiggling out of the truth"?

What do you think of the apostle "Doubting Thomas"? If we go by what you say then wasn't really saved because He still had doubts even after all he went through. Right?

What has this got to do with Hitler and whether or not I think he could be saved?


I gave you my answer:

"Why wait? Because we love God and so desire to serve Him here on earth as He has made us to do."

What about this answer is hard for you to understand?

If OSAS is true then it doesn't matter what we do on earth because death is a easy way to see God right?

See, this is why the SAL doctrine is so destructive. It has blinded you so thoroughly to the motive of love for God in living the Christian life that when it is offered to you as the motive for living for God rather than suicide, your response is to just ignore it entirely! Yikes!

I mean I know plenty of people who undoubtingly love the Lord that are near walk the walk and talk the talk who, if they thought it was possilbe, would kill themselves just to see Jesus sooner than later.

Yes, and? They don't suicide because? They love God and so desire to serve Him here on earth as He has made them to do.

Against the rules to even hint someone may not be saved.

My comments were issued with a general character. I made no specific reference to anyone. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't.

I guess the difference between me and the few who believe in OSAS is I am humble enough to admit I am not perfect.

This is silly. I know of no one who holds to OSAS who thinks they are perfect. It is also rather ironic (and not a little hypocritical) to point to the pride in others so that you may point to the humility in yourself.

So if you assume anyone is not really a christian because they did something bad, then God will judge you the same and say "Remember when did that one thing......".

I have never contended for the idea that any sin of any proportion proves a person is not saved. That is not the OSAS view, or mine, at all.

A. A person that says they can be saved, but if they don't become perfect, then they were never saved begin with and go to hell.

or

B. A person who says they can be saved, but it may not mean they will be as perfect as Jesus was, but as long as they remain on the righteous path, they will see heaven. And then the you share with them things that open you wide to them so they see the love of Jesus.

I'd choose B. I see the A person as the sorty of person that lets say stands outside certain events and holds up signs saying "Your going to burn in hell you <nasty slang for the person!" then shouts verses at them. I do not see Gods love in those people who do that.

Strawman arguing and a false dichotomy.
 
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In the NT "metanoeō" (repent) is used 34 times, according to Strong's lexicon its meaning is more than just a change of mind, it encompases having complete abhorrence for past actions. If so, one can't go "oops, I did it again..."

I entirely agree!
 
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"Works" as used in this context refers to converts, (1 Corinthians 9:1) Paul refers to his Corinthian coverts as his 'work' in the Lord.

I disagree. The immediate context of 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 gives the reader no reason to think that Paul meant "my converts" when he used the term "works." That is a bit of a stretch, I think - especially when you connect the term to a verse six chapters farther on in Paul's letter to make your case for such a meaning. No, "works," it seems to me, means exactly what it says in this case.
 
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No, my friend I don't believe any such thing. All comes in the Scriptures in its proper order of events for fulfillment. Jesus came in His first advent, preached the Gospel, the people His mission was directed to and for, [Israel - Mt.15:24] rejected Him, except for the minority who believed in Him. He was falsely accused, sent to a cross, shed His blood and died; resurrected on the third day. Was seen for 40 days after His resurrection by more than 500 witnesses. Ascended into heaven and ten days later, the Holy Spirit arrived, in Acts 2:1-3, and the New Covenant together with the Church age began. All believers, before and after Jesus death, fall under God's free gift of Grace.

Non-believing Israel will not accept Jesus as their Messiah, or fall under the New Covenant of Grace, until Jesus second coming, as recorded in Zech.12:10 and 14:4-5.


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I believe all that you just said. However, I sure don't agree with what you said earlier. You said that what Jesus said about the Galatians in Luke 13 was not applicable to us because it was before the New Covenant. Then you went on to quote John 10 as being applicable to us even though it was also before the New Covenant.

You can't have it both ways. Either they are both applicable to us or both just for the Jews. I don't think there is any doubt that they are both for us.

God bless Quasar92,
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I disagree.



Well, as an argument, it is no argument, really, at all.
Hello Aiki,

Sorry if I am not being clear. I find that the statement in Luke 8:13 is so clear that there can't be an argument over it.

The verse says, "... They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away". You said that "believe" in this verse does not mean "believe for salvation". Therefore, you have the verse saying, "They weren't saved for a while but in the time of testing they fall away". I ask two things:
1) What did Jesus mean about testing the unsaved?
2) How do the unsaved fall away?

The verse only makes sense when it says they were saved for a while, tested, and then fall away.

God bless,
Mick
 
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In a sense, they are perfect, once saved. Every person who is born again is placed in Christ, clothed in his perfect righteousness, and thereby stand before God justified and accepted by Him. But this is a forensic state of affairs, a positional reality, for every believer, not necessarily a reality of their experience. The Christian life is the process whereby what is true of a believer positionally is more and more reflected in their daily living.

The true disciple of Christ has been indwelt by the Spirit of the God of the Universe. It is strange how little significance people give this fact. What has happened, I think, is that many people claiming to be saved are not and so give no evidence of the Holy Spirit within them. I don't mean speaking in tongues, prophecy, being slain in the Spirit and all that silly hyper-charismatic stuff, but the things the Bible tells us we ought to look for as evidence of the Spirit indwelling: Love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, etc.; a hunger for the word of God; a new sensitivity to sin; love of the Christian brethren; victory over sin, and so on. Because the Spirit isn't in evidence in the lives of so many of those claiming to be saved, the belief that has settled upon Christians is that being saved, being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, is not a particularly transformative event. But those who have the Spirit of the Almighty Creator and Sustainer of the Universe living within them cannot be the people they once were, they are fundamentally altered and cannot, I believe, ever become a monster.
Thank you! I'm VERY terrible with words, but you described EXACTLY how I feel about it, which is what I have been trying to say. Thats how I was when first saved, once my injury happen I become a horrible person. There was no growth, if anything I was taking steps back. Then after changing my life around again the growth started pouring out like crazy.

So while some may claim anyone who was bad ever as a christian was never saved (slash had a growing/Holy Spirit guidance), that isn't always the truth. Sometimes trials do make the best of christians spiral down a put at first.

Sadly in todays world more just continue to the let the pit get deeper instead of getting out the pit and growing even more as a christian. While I regret my trials, I also am thankful because I can look back and see so much personal growth as a christian and more importantly with my walk with the Lord.

So to that degree I get what you're saying, maybe we can falter, but we will or at least shouldn't be able to become a monster. Because we always return to the Father full of repentance and even more obedience.

See, this is why the SAL doctrine is so destructive. It has blinded you so thoroughly to the motive of love for God in living the Christian life that when it is offered to you as the motive for living for God rather than suicide, your response is to just ignore it entirely! Yikes!
Well I was being sarcastic, obviously anyone who things suicide is ok because they get to see God soon is blind to their purpose here.

This is silly. I know of no one who holds to OSAS who thinks they are perfect. It is also rather ironic (and not a little hypocritical) to point to the pride in others so that you may point to the humility in yourself.
Not you per say, but there are sadly those who do think they are perfect.

I don't see pointing out humbleness as being prideful. Because if pointing out humbleness is prideful then there are no people who are humble then. In my case I pointed out not to pat myself on the back (anyways its only because of Him I have learned to be humble), but to show that someone who is prideful about perfection is not being humble. And yes, just as if your always saying your humble means you are boasting to much. Saying it once though does not make it pride.

If you told me you loved your wife would I say "Talk about prideful!".

Strawman arguing and a false dichotomy.
I don't mind you on the forum, even though we don't always agree. However I often set people to ignore who start using words like fallacies and strawman...etc. They tend to be philosophy students who think using fallacies somehow makes them sound smarter or means they are instantly correct. Especially if they can't even have a conversation without throwing around "This is a fallacy, that is a fallacy!". Some call them trolls.

Someone recently told me they are "pedantic sophists". Not sure what that means. But they said they find those people mostly use fallacies to boast about or growl at something that displeased them.

Sort of like my friend who really understood things like quantum mechanics and super nerdy things. Not only was he always correcting people on how they say words. Or how to use it in a sentence. Or facts they had wrong...etc. He had VERY terrible social skills and didn't know how to act like a mature adult who isn't always about making a big deal/debate about everything, even if its the proper way to leave the toilet seat. Granted he actually did have that argument with his family and got all philosophical on them.

Sorry, now I'm ranting about him. lol
 
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However if someone is burned out then it means they lacked the hope and trust in God so realize if they are on a good path or not.

Pardon my resulting bluntness, but who put you in charge of deciding whether or not "they lacked the hope and trust in God"?

Last I checked, it's between the person themselves and Him.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -- Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)
 
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Pardon my resulting bluntness, but who put you in charge of deciding whether or not "they lacked the hope and trust in God"?

Last I checked, it's between the person themselves and Him.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." -- Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)
Not judging, pointing out one of many reasons people walk away from God (even if for while). And its also going from my experience (with my own walk) and others who have had issues with depression, anxiety, worriers....etc. Some at times focus more on worry then they do focus and hope in God.

Though to the last point you made, its true, we can assume all we want but only God knows someones heart. No one doubts that. However a classic christian line is "Don't judge lest ye be judged!" when someone points out something. But often the line is used by people who don't really understand the bible fully. And yes, I say that as someone who threw the line out all the time at people.

The bible talks about judging. BUT it also talks about correction/reproofing. It also say:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Proverbs 12:1
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

There are more verses like this. Often people either don't really remember them or ignore them because its easier to tell someone not to judge as to avoid correction. Again I am refer to myself in the past who avoided correction like the plague. Also I am not pointing to you as I type this, my statement is a general statement. :)

Now I will say just because we can reproof/correct doesn't mean we can't abuse it. If someone spends their whole life, day after day, hour after hour reproofing and correcting someone, then they have turned it into judging. Which is bad. Even more so if the person over and over and over tells the person whats wrong with them. All we can do is share what we know, we can't force someone else to correct themselves. Which is why if correction is needed, let it go if the person doesn't listen. Its in Gods hand to help that person.
 
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The true disciple of Christ has been indwelt by the Spirit of the God of the Universe. It is strange how little significance people give this fact. What has happened, I think, is that many people claiming to be saved are not and so give no evidence of the Holy Spirit within them
Yes, I agree. Jesus promises the believer that the Holy Ghost shall be in the believer. But many cannot receive Him because they cannot wrap their heads around the fact that they will be walking around with the God of the universe is inside of their bodies/ jars of clay/earthen vessels.
2 Cor. 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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What prophecy of John 10:27-28 is not fulfilled?

Regardless one cannot be of the sheep of verse 28 without a faithful present tense hearing and following of Christ per v 27. So we have both sides of the salvation equation:

1) faithfulness to Christ and His word Revelation 2:10; 1 Cor 4:1-2
2) God's faithfulness to the group Christian, Christ's sheep

Another passage when OSASers pull a verse out of context in regards to #2 but ignore #1.

Phil 1:6 "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

It is ASSUMED Paul's confidence God would continue a good work in them was based upon OSAS.

Yet verse 5 says "For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now;" Says they faithfully remained in the gospel from the first say until now which is the same as they continued to hear and follow Christ from the first day until now. Their faithfulness in remaining in the gospel is the basis of Paul's confidence of God's continued work in them.... not OSAS.

There were those in Galatia that did not faithfully remain in the gospel (Galatians 1:6-7) unlike those in Philippi. And unlike in Philippi Paul does NOT say anything about God continuing a good work in those in Galatia that were unfaithful and did not continue to hear and follow Christ. Instead Paul told those unfaithful Galatians they had fallen from grace Gal 5:4.


Jn.10:27 "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than allc]">[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."

The sheep Jesus refers yo are those who belong to Him, believers. The prophetic part of it is the eternal life He has promised, that will not begin for believers untii the Church is raptured in 1 Thess.4:16-17.


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My views pertaining to Eternal Security and of free will can be summed up in the ollowing:

Rom.8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi]">[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."


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We are told to continue in His love (John 15:9).
We are told to continue in grace (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
We are told to continue in the faith (Colossians 1:23).

So I do not see how these three things are just automatic.
We are told to do these three things in Scripture.
In other words, these three truths in Scripture suggests that we may not continue in love, grace, or the faith. It's why we are told to continue in them.

In short, these three things are not just forced upon us.


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The BEMA judgment of Christ, is not to determine our salvation, but rather, that which pertains to rewards we have earned, if any, or those we my have los, as recorded in the following:

1 Cor.3:10 "By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."

But notice that those who do not have any works will not be present at this Judgment.
It is not speaking of righteous works and sinful works here, either.
It says that if we defile our temple God will destroy us.
I mean, stop and think for a moment; The idea that God is going to reward us with Heaven quicker for doing evil does not make any sense logically. A king does not reward disloyal servants.

You said:
2 Cor.5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body," whether good or bad.

God is not a respecter of persons (Romans 2:11).

The following pieces of Scripture below is the bad (for sinning believers or believers who justify sin):

8 "But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;" (Romans 2:8-9).

41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
(Matthew 13:41-42).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23).


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