Death encompasses all sin... All sin results in death...
I agree with you here. Now where I think we part ways, is how sin is committed? The Reformed view is by breaking God's Law. You said before and please correct me if I am wrong. That in EOC position there is no legal ratifications. So if there is no ramifications for sin. How do people sin, if not by breaking God's commandments?
I can show you death in a new-born...
Can YOU show me his or her SIN???
Are you only talking about physical death? Look at the daily news. I think that sin is the most verifiable doctrine of the Bible that we can see everyday. Just take a look around. But again I will provide Scripture, in Psalms 51, King David says to God.
5Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and
in sin did my mother
conceive me.
We get death from Adam because he died when he sinned and only AFTER that sin did he conceive by his seed...
Romans 6:
23 For the wages of sin is death...
We 'earn' the death we have inherited by sinning,
for "upon this death all have sinned..."
We are sentenced to condemnation & death, because of the imputation of Adam's sin. In that One Act we are sentenced to death and condemnation. Sin came into this world THROUGH One Man, and death and through Sin, by One Act of obedience. In that One Act we 'ALL SINNED'.
Read the following very S-L-O-W-L-Y...
5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come.
I know I am the dumbest Christian in Christendom, but please dear friend, bear with me in my learning limitations. I am trying my hardest to grasp your EOC position.
Now answering your point here, which is a very excellent point, indeed. I will quote the two vss. 13,14. To get a better picture.
13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Now, the key here to understand is that Death still reigned. Paul makes a emphasis on Death still Reigned, between Adam & Moses. But sin is not counted where there is no Law, Paul says. So if they did not have the Law, then no sin is counted against them. So if there is no sin, then there is no death.
But Paul says that Death stilled Reigned. Why? We must ask ourselves. Paul answers this question in vs. 19.
19For as by the
one man’s disobedience the many
were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
So the reason why Death & Condemnation stilled REIGNED was because of the imputation of that One Act of disobedience. This is the point Paul is driving home because it leads or drives us to Christ; so by the
one man’s obedience the many will be
made righteous.
Adam is the Old Man...
He is dead...
He was born dead...
Save his life and you will lose YOUR life...
Lose his life so as to find YOUR life in Christ...
We did not receive the death sentence...
We received the opportunity for repentance!
Arsenios
I beg to differ, Adam was not born dead.
12Therefore, just as sin came into the world
through one man, and
death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned...
So Adam was not born dead.
Re-read the following very S-L-O-W-L-Y...
5:14
Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come.
Your confusion is with Scripture, not with me.
My confusion is with Scripture??? Why such a comment, my friend. I know I am not a smart person. I know what I believe and why I believe it. But do not worry I am not offended. All I want to do is discuss theology, because I love to read, study and learn God's word. Thanks for your comments, and have a bless day.
Oh, BTW I answered the last part already.