Difference between amillennialism & preterism

Copperhead said:

Since, as far as I can tell, you could use a remedial reading course, I do take the letters to the seven churches literally.

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So you believe the coming of Christ as a thief LITERALLY befell those at the first century church at Sardis who did not watch? (Revelation 3:3)

You believe Christ LITERALLY came and destroyed the prophetess Jezebel and her Children in 1st century Thyatira?
(Revelation 2:18-29)

Not sure how you pulled that one out of what I said. You are on some sort of contentious rabbit trail that is not worthy of further response. Shame on you.

Copperhead said:

Not sure how you pulled that one out of what I said. You are on some sort of contentious rabbit trail that is not worthy of further response. Shame on you.

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You said you take the letters literally.
I already suspect you do not, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, I'm merely asking you to demonstrate it.

Can you?

If not, Shame on you for making a claim that you hold a position that you demonstrably do not hold, and then running away when you are called to account for it.

The Scriptural fact is, the glorified Christ, from heaven, promised the first century people at Sardis that His Thief's coming would befall those actual air breathing, blood pumping human beings, who lived there at Sardis, back then in the 1st century, who did not watch for it.

Do you believe the glorified Christ LITERALLY fulfilled that promise TO THEM, or do you believe it is some sort of metaphor to be stretched, twisted and elasticized as a promise not to the very people being addressed, but rather to some other people, thousands of years removed from the very people he made the promise to?

Biblewriter said:

You have chosen to believe that none of these literally hundreds of prophecies actually meant what they so very explicitly and repeatedly said.But our choices have zero effect on the plans of an almighty God, who has clearly declared what He is going to do.

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Like when God promised a New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
I am still waiting to see what you have written in your books about the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

Like when John the Baptist warned his own people in Matthew 3:9 against putting their faith in being Abraham's seed and Jesus did the same thing in John chapter 8.

Timothy warned against using genealogy in 1 Timothy 1:4, but that does not bother some of us.

God never promised a future time of salvation outside of the Church, revealed by Christ in Matthew chapter 16.

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BABerean2 said:

Like when God promised a New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
I am still waiting to see what you have written in your books about the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

Like when John the Baptist warned his own people in Matthew 3:9 against putting their faith in being Abraham's seed and Jesus did the same thing in John chapter 8.

Timothy warned against using genealogy in 1 Timothy 1:4, but that does not bother some of us.

God never promised a future time of salvation outside of the Church, revealed by Christ in Matthew chapter 16.

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You continue to falsely imply that Dispensationalists teach that salvation is possible outside of faith in Christ, even though you know perfectly well that this is simply not true.

Copperhead said:

You speak totally from the physical realm. I was speaking from the position of the spiritual condition of mankind.

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And the inner drive of mankind to use their God Given ingenuity to cure disease, provide a constitutional fabric guaranteeing individuals of God given rights is NOT indicative of a positive spiritual condition/trend?
Really?

China has more Christians now than the U.S. and Europe combined. They are persecuted, yet the church grows.

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How is that possible in your stated worldview of a defeated Church that is totally and completely powerless to affect real and lasting change on earth today?

CryptoLutheran said:

Amillennialism is a specific position in regard to the Millennium, it says that the Millennium isn't intended to describe a literal period of time, but rather describes Christ's reign at the Father's right hand until the time of His coming.

Preterism is a position in regard to prophetic interpretation, sometimes contrasted with Futurism and Historicism. Historicism would argue, for example, that what St. John the Revelator wrote has had an ongoing fulfillment since his day to ours, the earliest Protestants were Historicists, which led Luther, Calvin (et al) to conclude that the Papacy fulfilled the eschatological role of Antichrist and Beast (not the person of the Pope, per se, but rather the office of Pope). Futurists would posit that all or most of everything in the Revelation will be fulfilled at a heretofore unspecified point in the future, Dispensationalists fall in this category (and they are also Premillennialists).

Preterism, on the other hand, states that much (partial) or all (full) of what St. John wrote, or what Jesus spoke about in the Olivet Discourse (etc) had its fulfillment, or was primarily about, stuff that took place in the first century and the time of John himself. Hyper-Preterism goes so far as to argue that the Parousia--the Second Coming--occurred in 70 AD when the Roman army destroyed the Temple, they believe this was a visitation of Judgment, the return or appearing of Christ, against the old order represented by Jerusalem and the Temple. Hyper-Preterism is regarded as heretical by mainstream Christianity as the Historic Creeds are clear that the Lord will return at the end to raise the dead bodily (Hyper-Preterism denies the resurrection of the body, which is, again, heretical).

The two involve different aspects of eschatology, one could be both Amillennial and a Preterist, one could be Amillennial but not a Preterist. Luther, Calvin and other early Protestants were Amillennialists and Historicists, one can also be Amillennial and a Futurist.
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So am I correct in assuming that Amillennialism is an orthodox doctrine?
Seem to me that is about as close to Full Preterism as on can get.
So count me in as an a Preterist Amillennialist...........

parousia70 said:

So you believe the coming of Christ as a thief LITERALLY befell those at the first century church at Sardis who did not watch? (Revelation 3:3)

You believe Christ LITERALLY came and destroyed the prophetess Jezebel and her Children in 1st century Thyatira?
(Revelation 2:18-29)

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Doesn't the RCC view 1st century Jerusalem as that Great City in Revelation?

yedida said:

Could someone please tell me the differences between amillennialism and preterism (partial vs full as well)?
I've tried googling and found several websites, but truth be told, I got so lost in it that I quit still not really knowing any answers.
Thanks in advance.
Just dumb it down royally, please.

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This page should help. Preterism, whether full (which I reject) or partial, regards only what has already been fulfilled in the past. Amillenialism regards only the view of the millenium in Rev. 20 as symbolic instead of a literal 1000 years after Christ's return. The two tend to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists. https://www.preteristarchive.com/Administrative/index.html

mister rogers said:

This page should help. Preterism, whether full (which I reject) or partial, regards only what has already been fulfilled in the past. Amillenialism regards only the view of the millenium in Rev. 20 as symbolic instead of a literal 1000 years after Christ's return. The two tend to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists. https://www.preteristarchive.com/Administrative/index.html

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Sorry, worded that a little strange: meant to say *preterism of some kind tends to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists

LittleLambofJesus said:

Doesn't the RCC view 1st century Jerusalem as that Great City in Revelation?

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So your doctrine is based on RCC's view? Bad move.

My view on the false doctrine of Preterism. The term Preterit or Praeterit identifies Christians who believe that most or nearly all of Bible Prophecy have already been fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom. The word Preterit is derived from the Latin "praeterit" meaning before or past. i.e., [L. praeteritus, gone by]. It is expressing time fulfilled. In theological terms, it is the doctrine of Past-fulfillment of most of Christian prophecy. Those who hold to this eschatological view point to the witness of Scripture that Jesus and his apostles said that His coming (or presence) and the end of all things would occur soon, meaning (ironically) "literally" in that generation.

What does Preterist mean? Well, like the doctrine of Premillennialism, there are different versions or off-shoots of this eschatology. There are "Partial Preterists" who only spiritualize some prophecies as being fulfilled. While those calling themselves "consistent Preterists" (also known as full preterists) spiritualize nearly all of the passages like Matthew chapter 24 and Revelation as having already taken place in the past. They also teach that Christ actually returned in 70 A.D., fulfilling prophecy of the second advent.

While most learned Theologians understand that some spiritualizing or figurative language is a sound fundamental part of the exegesis of, and discernment in Scripture, there generally must be some strong and clear justification in Scripture for it. It is generally believed that Preterism takes a very liberal approach to this rule of sound hermeneutics. Another of the passages that Preterists use to support their belief is Matthew chapter 23:

Matthew 23:37-39

• "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
  • Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
  • For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

Using Scriptures such as Matthew 23, they hypothesize that when His disciples asked about the end of the world [aion] or age, it was in referral to the end of a dispensation which they believe took place in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Thus Preterists' generally hold that the "age to come," is a designation by Christ for the Christian era.

One of the weaknesses in this position is that they selectively interpret the word "age/world" [aion], and then arbitrarily make the supposition that there was an end of the age in 70 A.D with the destruction of Jerusalem. However, this does not agree with, nor explain, verses such as:

Luke 18:30

• "Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting."

The word translated world is this exact same word [aion], meaning age. If that present time or age was before 70 A.D., and the age to come is eternal life, then 70 A.D. (being the coming age according to their hypothesis), was the start of this eternal life. This is inconsistent with Christ's words concerning salvation and the Spirit of Pentecost many years before.

So what does Preterism mean? Simply defined, Preterism is the view that much or all of the eschatological prophesies have already been fulfilled, with the emphasis on the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

mister rogers said:

Sorry, worded that a little strange: meant to say *preterism of some kind tends to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists

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Yes I gree. In fact I would say most of Partial Preterism, Amill and Post Mills are pretty much the same when it comes to Revelation and the 1000yr period.

CryptoLutheran said:

The two involve different aspects of eschatology, one could be both Amillennial and a Preterist, one could be Amillennial but not a Preterist. Luther, Calvin and other early Protestants were Amillennialists and Historicists, one can also be Amillennial and a Futurist.
-CryptoLutheran

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Nice..................
How about Preterist Idealism?

C. Preterist Idealism

This system was first developed by former Full Preterist Todd Dennis, and presented at the first annual “Carlsbad Eschatology Conference” in 2007 (hosted by Kurt Simmons); though it integrates elements from Preterism and other systems.
Preterist Idealism teaches that the historical fulfillment of prophecy constitutes only the “shadows” of an eternal spiritual substance which believers obtain “in Christ.” New Testament typology is vertical rather than horizontal; and meant to point to the higher realties of the Christian life, rather than foreshadow things to come. Idealism relies heavily on the allegorical interpretation of prophetic texts. The system has a small number of adherents, most of them former Full Preterists.
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Idealist Only - What are the eschatological views of "IDEALISTS"?

LittleLambofJesus said:

I noticed this "Idealist Only" tag on the drop down menu when creating a thread.
What are the Idealists eschatological views concerning prophecy fulfillment and is it an orthodox view?

Are there any on this Forum that are "Idealists?
Thanks............


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BABerean2 said: ↑
Like when God promised a New Covenant to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
I am still waiting to see what you have written in your books about the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

Like when John the Baptist warned his own people in Matthew 3:9 against putting their faith in being Abraham's seed and Jesus did the same thing in John chapter 8.

Timothy warned against using genealogy in 1 Timothy 1:4, but that does not bother some of us.

God never promised a future time of salvation outside of the Church, revealed by Christ in Matthew chapter 16.

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Biblewriter said:

You continue to falsely imply that Dispensationalists teach that salvation is possible outside of faith in Christ, even though you know perfectly well that this is simply not true.

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How is what Dispensationalism teaches any different about Salvation of the faith of Christ compared to Amill and Preterism?

Copperhead said: ↑
Since, as far as I can tell, you could use a remedial reading course, I do take the letters to the seven churches literally.

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parousia70 said:

So you believe the coming of Christ as a thief LITERALLY befell those at the first century church at Sardis who did not watch? (Revelation 3:3)

314. anaginosko from 303 and 1097;
to know again, i.e. (by extension) to read:--read. [Used 32 times in NT.
303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.):--and, apiece, by, each, every (man), in, through. In compounds (as a prefix) it often means (by implication) repetition, intensity, reversal, etc.
1097. ginosko ghin-oce'-ko a prolonged form of a primary verb;
to "know" (absolutely) in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as follow, with others not thus clearly expressed):--allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) know(-ledge), perceived, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

Strong's Number G314 ἀναγινώσκω (anaginōskō) occurs 41 times in 30 verses


You believe Christ LITERALLY came and destroyed the prophetess Jezebel and her Children in 1st century Thyatira?
(Revelation 2:18-29)

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Remedial reading......

Matthew 24:15 "Whenever then ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation, the being declared thru Daniel the Prophet having-stood in a place, holy (the one-reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be minding/understanding/noeitw <3539> (5720)" [Mark 13:14]

Mark 13:14 Whenever yet ye may be seeing the abomination of the desolation having stood the-where not it is binding, (the one reading/anaginwskwn <314> (5723) let him be understanding!/noeitw <3539> (5720), then the ones in the Judea let be fleeing! into the mountains

Revelation 1:3 Happy/blessed the one reading/ana-ginwskwn <314> (5723) and the ones hearing the words of the prophecy and keepings the in it having been written for the time nigh.
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Revelation 1:3. The first of the seven beatitudes in the Apocalypse (Revelation 14:13, Revelation 16:15, Revelation 19:9, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 22:7; Revelation 22:14), endorsing the book as a whole. In the worship of the Christian communities one member read aloud, originally from the O.T. as in the synagogues, and afterwards from Christian literature as well (apostolic epistles, Colossians 4:16, and sub-apostolic epistles), while the rest of the audience listened (Eus. H. E. iv. 23). In its present form the Apocalypse was composed with this object in view. Cf. Justin’s description of the Christinn assemblies on Sunday, when, as the first business, τὰ ἀπομνημονεύματα τῶν ἀποστόλων ἢ τὰ συγγράμματα τῶν προφητῶν ἀναγινώσκεται (Apol. i. 67). The art of reading was not a general accomplishment in the circles from which the Christian societies were for the most part recruited, and this office of reader (ἀναγνώστης), as distinct from that of the president, soon became one of the regular minor positions in the worship of the church. Here the reader’s function resembles that of Baruch (cf. Jeremiah 22:5-6). τηροῦντες τὰ, κ.τ.λ., carefully heeding the warnings of the book, observing its injunctions, and expecting the fulfilment of its predictions, instead of losing heart and faith (Luke 18:8). Cf. Hipp. De Antich. 2 and En. civ. 12, “books will be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom”. The content of the Apocalypse is not merely prediction; moral counsel and religious instruction are the primary burden of its pages. The bliss of the obedient and attentive, however, is bound up with the certainty that the crisis at which the predictions of the book are to be realised is imminent; they have not to wait long for the fulfilment of their hopes. This, with the assurance of God’s interest and intervention, represented the ethical content of early Christian prediction, which would have been otherwise a mere satisfaction of curiosity; see on Revelation 1:19.
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The Lord Jesus has comprised in the Apocalypse the Remainder [Supplement] of the old prophecy, which belongs to the times subsequent to His Ascension and the coming of the Comforter, and the end of the Jewish system. And thus the book reaches from the old Jerusalem to the new Jerusalem, all things being reduced to one sum and to harmonious order; and it has great similarity to the ancient prophets. The beginning and the conclusion agree with Daniel; the description of the male child, and the promises given to Sion, agree with Isaiah; the judgment of Babylon, with Jeremiah; the fixing of the times, again, with Daniel, who followed Jeremiah; the architecture of the holy city, with Ezekiel, who followed Isaiah; the emblems of horses, of candlesticks, etc., with Zechariah.

—ὁ ἀναγινώσκων καὶ οἱ ἀκούοντες, he who reads and they who hear) One person, and, in the first instance, he, by whom John sent the book from Patmos into Asia, used to read publicly in the churches and many used to hear. Scripture highly commends the public reading of itself: Deuteronomy 31:11; Nehemiah 8:8; Jeremiah 36:6; Luke 4:16; Acts 15:21; Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27; 1 Timothy 4:13. There would be more edification, if teachers would speak less of themselves, or, at any rate, if Scripture were more fully read to the multitude who are unlearned.—τῆς προφητείας, of the prophecy) In relation to Jesus Christ, it is a revelation; it is a prophecy in relation to John; and it is not until he is mentioned that the word prophecy is introduced.
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Verse 3. - He that readeth this book publicly in the church, and they that hear the book read, are equally blessed. There is grace promised to both minister and congregation who live up to the spirit of the Scriptures. St. John here suggests that a usage common in the Jewish Church (Luke 4:16; Acts 15:21; 2 Corinthians 3:15) may be adopted in the Christian Church. Probably this verse is the earliest authority for the public reading of the New Testament Scripture. It is very precarious to argue that "the Apocalypse, which points to this custom, cannot have been composed in the year 68," because this Christian custom is of later origin than 68. The official communications of apostles were sure to be read publicly in the churches (see Lightfoot on Colossians 4:16). Until the new lectionary came into use, the blessing here promised to the liturgical use of the Apocalypse was sadly neglected in the English Church. One might almost have supposed that a blessing had been pronounced on those who do not read and do not hear the prophecy. The words of this prophecy; literally, of the prophecy; i.e. "the prophecy of this book" (Revelation 22:7, 18).[/quote][/quote]

yedida said:

Could someone please tell me the differences between amillennialism and preterism (partial vs full as well)?
I've tried googling and found several websites, but truth be told, I got so lost in it that I quit still not really knowing any answers.
Thanks in advance.
Just dumb it down royally, please.

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CryptoLutheran said:

Amillennialism is a specific position in regard to the Millennium, it says that the Millennium isn't intended to describe a literal period of time, but rather describes Christ's reign at the Father's right hand until the time of His coming.

Preterism is a position in regard to prophetic interpretation, sometimes contrasted with Futurism and Historicism. Historicism would argue, for example, that what St. John the Revelator wrote has had an ongoing fulfillment since his day to ours, the earliest Protestants were Historicists, which led Luther, Calvin (et al) to conclude that the Papacy fulfilled the eschatological role of Antichrist and Beast (not the person of the Pope, per se, but rather the office of Pope). Futurists would posit that all or most of everything in the Revelation will be fulfilled at a heretofore unspecified point in the future, Dispensationalists fall in this category (and they are also Premillennialists).

Preterism, on the other hand, states that much (partial) or all (full) of what St. John wrote, or what Jesus spoke about in the Olivet Discourse (etc) had its fulfillment, or was primarily about, stuff that took place in the first century and the time of John himself. Hyper-Preterism goes so far as to argue that the Parousia--the Second Coming--occurred in 70 AD when the Roman army destroyed the Temple, they believe this was a visitation of Judgment, the return or appearing of Christ, against the old order represented by Jerusalem and the Temple. Hyper-Preterism is regarded as heretical by mainstream Christianity as the Historic Creeds are clear that the Lord will return at the end to raise the dead bodily (Hyper-Preterism denies the resurrection of the body, which is, again, heretical).

The two involve different aspects of eschatology, one could be both Amillennial and a Preterist, one could be Amillennial but not a Preterist. Luther, Calvin and other early Protestants were Amillennialists and Historicists, one can also be Amillennial and a Futurist.

-CryptoLutheran

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Are there any online resources one could view concerning both of those views? Thank you.

mister rogers said: ↑
This page should help. Preterism, whether full (which I reject) or partial, regards only what has already been fulfilled in the past. Amillenialism regards only the view of the millenium in Rev. 20 as symbolic instead of a literal 1000 years after Christ's return. The two tend to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists. Introduction to PreteristArchive.com Doctrinal Classifications @ www.PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism, preterist archives

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mister rogers said:

Sorry, worded that a little strange: meant to say *preterism of some kind tends to go together with many amillenialists and postmillenialists

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I am not seeing much of a difference between as they both view the final resurrection and judgement happening after the Gog Magog war, which I would assume is still future......

The more I look into the Amill doctrine, the more intrigued I become with it.
I copied this post from another member over to this board since he goes into detail on his view of the Amill doctrine.
A basic flaw in Partial Preterist interpretation

claninja said:

One way to look at is that all modern Amils are partial preterist, but not all partial preterists are modern amil.

The term Amil literally means "no millennium", however to be considered Amil by today's standards, one must believe the "1,000" years is symbolic for the time period between Christ 1st advent and his future 2nd coming. The belief of this symbolic "1,000" for time between the 1st and 2nd advent is partially based on statements made by Augustine in his work "city of god". Most amil early church fathers are silent on their belief of the 1,000 years symbolized.

As a partial preterist, I don't believe in a literal millennium like Amils, however, I don't believe that the millennium is symbolic for the time between the 1st advent and 2nd coming, and thus wouldn't be considered Amil by modern standards.

I don't believe the 1,000 years is symbolic for the time between the 1st and 2nd advent because according to revelation, the 1,000 years doesn't end at Christ coming. When the 1,000 years are completed, satan is loosed.

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison.

And while revelation does say "after the 1,000 years" the dead come to life, it isn't until after the 1,000 years AND after satan's little season that the dead come to life to be judged.

Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done

Thus the timeline of the parabolic language of revelation 20 has: 1.) the completion of the 1,000 years, followed by 2.) satan loosed for a little season, followed by 3.) the great white throne judgment and resurrection of the dead. And this doesn't add up with the traditional teachings of Amil.

My belief is that the 1,000 years is symbolic for the restoration of the Davidic throne through Christ's 1st advent (ministry, death, ressurection, ascension, and sending of the Spirit).


The results of this "1000 years" are:

1.) Satan is bound by Christ's 1st advent:
Revelation 20:2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Matthew 12:29 Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house

Luke 11:21-22 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe; but when one stronger than he attacks him and overcomes him, he takes away his armor in which he trusted and divides his spoil

2.) Satan is cast out by Christ's 1st advent:
Revelation 20:3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer

John 12:31-33 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” He said this to show by what kind of death he was going to die.

Revelation 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.

3.) The 1st resurrection is Christ being raised from the dead at his 1st advent, which results in those in Christ being born again and a kingdom of priests
Revelation 20:4-6 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Ephesians 2:4-7 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.


4.) Upon on the completion of this "1,000" symbolic years Satan is released to have a "little season"

Revelation 20:3 until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison

John 14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

Revelation 12:12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

Romans 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

I would argue the 1,000 years are derived from the time period between David and Christ. This is inspired by Steve Hahn who wrote in his book The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible: The New Testament "The background of the millennium may be traced to the period of the Davidic Covenant, which was established almost exactly 1,000 years before the coming of Christ."

Thus the Davidic covenant was fulfilled at Christ's 1st advent, 1000 years after the promise was given to David.

Luke 1:32-33 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Acts 2:30-31 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Acts 15:15-16 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, “‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it,

And the results of the fulfillment are listed in points 1-4 above and testified by the Gospels and Epistles.

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TribulationSigns said:

My view on the false doctrine of Preterism. The term Preterit or Praeterit identifies Christians who believe that most or nearly all of Bible Prophecy have already been fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom.
So what does Preterism mean? Simply defined, Preterism is the view that much or all of the eschatological prophesies have already been fulfilled, with the emphasis on the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

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The only false doctrine of Preterism CF recognizes is that of the "full/hyper" preterist doctrine [which can only be discussed on CTS board].

Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose

V. Additional Rules

• Full preterism is not allowed.