Question about the Reformation

Sooooo, you're down to using the much-debunked Loraine Boettner's list in your link??
Good grief - this is precisely why there is so much abject ignorance among Protestants as it pertains to the Catholic Church.
Allow me to educate you:

First of all - there is NO such thing as the "Roman Catholic" Church. There is only the "Catholic" Church. The official name of the Church is "The Catholic Church."

"Roman" or "Latin" refers to one of twenty RITES - not churches. As I have educated others on this forum - there is also the Melkite Rite, Ruthenbian Rite, Coptic Rite, Alexandrian Rite, Byzantine Rite, Syro-Malabar Rite and several others. They are ALL in full communion with the Pope.

What your fellow anti-Catholic, Albion refuses to understand is that the 300 or so dissident groups that refer to themselves as "Catholic" (Polish Catholic, Irish Catholic, Traditional Catholic, Independent Catholic, etc.) are schismatic, dissident groups that are separated from the Catholic Church. In short - they are Protestants.

Now - about that incredibly stupid Boettner's List - you might want to visit my blog where I destroy every one of his moronic assertions with the facts:
http://catholicfaithfacts.blogspot.com/

As to the idiotic quote in your other link: "Outside the Church there is no salvation, thus membership in the Church is necessary."
This is NOT what the church teaches and is therefore hogwash and cannot be used in an intelligent exchange.

Finally - the Catholic Church has NEVER changed a single doctrine - period.
If you want to take that challenge - then put your money where your mouth is and produce some actual evidence to the contrary . . .

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Post #162: Q1" " The problem with this is that Jesus didn’t speak Greek to his Apostles - he spoke Aramaic. "
RESPONSE: Specious argument.
The Gospel "author" , the apostle Matthew, WITNESSED the conversation between Jesus and Peter. Relying on perfect spiritual recall and "oral tradition", he much later dictated the original MSS to a scribe who penned it in GREEK, the international language of Jesus' time.

Jesus never "WROTE" anything that is in our Bible. Scholars surmise that He READ and SPOKE in several languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and you guessed it: GREEK.

If you do not go back to the original meaningsof Hebrew and Greek, you are not allowing God the Holy Spirit to interpret the Scriptures.

Post #161: Q1: " there is NO such thing as the "Roman Catholic" Church."

RESPONSE: Wrong.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)he largest Christian Church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide. As one of the oldest religious institutions in the world, it has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilisation. Headed by the Bishop of Rome, known as the Pope, the church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Its central administration, the Holy See, is in the Vatican City, enclaved within Rome, Italy.

REF: Catholic Church - Wikipedia

The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) is a Catholic translation of the Bible published in 1985. The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) has become the most widely used Roman Catholic Bible outside of the United States. It has the imprimatur of Cardinal George Basil Hume.

REF: Bible - Catholic Online

Ron Gurley said:

Post #162: Q1" " The problem with this is that Jesus didn’t speak Greek to his Apostles - he spoke Aramaic. "
RESPONSE: Specious argument.
The Gospel "author" , the apostle Matthew, WITNESSED the conversation between Jesus and Peter. Relying on perfect spiritual recall and "oral tradition", he much later dictated the original MSS to a scribe who penned it in GREEK, the international language of Jesus' time.

Jesus never "WROTE" anything that is in our Bible. Scholars surmise that He READ and SPOKE in several languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and you guessed it: GREEK.

If you do not go back to the original meaningsof Hebrew and Greek, you are not allowing God the Holy Spirit to interpret the Scriptures.

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Ummmm, NOT according to the Early Church Fathers . . .

A little over 100 years after Matthew wrote his Gospel, Irenaeus wrote the following:
Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews IN THEIR OWN DIALECT, while Peter and Paul were preaching in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon his breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia. (Against Heresies 3:1:1, AD 180)

50 years earlier , the bishop of Hieropolis, Papais wrote:
"Matthew compiled the sayings of the Lord in the ARAMAIC language, and everyone translated them as well as he could" (Explanation of the Sayings of the Lord [cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 3:39]).

Sometime after 244 the Scripture scholar Origen wrote:
"Among the four Gospels, which are the only indisputable ones in the Church of God under heaven, I have learned by tradition that the first was written by Matthew, who was once a publican, but afterwards an apostle of Jesus Christ, and it was prepared for the converts from Judaism and published in the HEBREW language" (Commentaries on Matthew [cited by Eusebius in History of the Church 6:25]).

Eusebius also declared:
"Matthew had begun by preaching to the Hebrews, and when he made up his mind to go to others too, he committed his own Gospel to writing in his native tongue [ARAMAIC], so that for those with whom he was no longer present the gap left by his departure was filled by what he wrote" (History of the Church 3:24 [inter 300-325]).

As a matter of fact - the whole idea that Matthew DIDN'T write his Gospel in Hebrew or Aramaic didn't surface until the 16th century Dutch theologian, Erasmus posited that there was no manuscript evidence at the time.

You also have to explain why Paul referred to Peter as "CEPHAS" and NOT as "Petros".

Nope - there is no getting around the fact that Jesus gave Simon the title of "KEPHA", which means "ROCK" - and nothing else.

MarysSon said:

What your fellow anti-Catholic, Albion refuses to understand is that the 300 or so dissident groups that refer to themselves as "Catholic" (Polish Catholic, Irish Catholic, Traditional Catholic, Independent Catholic, etc.) are schismatic, dissident groups that are separated from the Catholic Church. In short - they are Protestants.

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Try as you might to rewrite the report, it does not refer to different rites. It refers to different churches that all are Roman Catholic.

No, the one you belong to doesn't recognize the others as such, but neither do all Protestant denominations consider the split-offs from them to be authentic Methodists or whatever. Fortunately for them, most do not care to make that claim.

nd it's nonsense to try to claim, as you have, that a Catholic church such as the Society of St. Pius X, is "Protestant" simply because it's a Catholic body that Rome doesn't recognize. In addition, I am not an anti-Catholic and I ask that you do not repeat that accusation.

Ron Gurley said:

Post #161: Q1: " there is NO such thing as the "Roman Catholic" Church."

RESPONSE: Wrong.

The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC)he largest Christian Church, with more than 1.29 billion members worldwide. As one of the oldest religious institutions in the world, it has played a prominent role in the history and development of Western civilisation. Headed by the Bishop of Rome, known as the Pope, the church's doctrines are summarised in the Nicene Creed. Its central administration, the Holy See, is in the Vatican City, enclaved within Rome, Italy.

REF: Catholic Church - Wikipedia

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A little advice: Don't get your theology from wikipedia.
It's hardly a mystery that you're so confused.

And you wonder why I said your posts are so easily debunked . . .

Ron Gurley said:

The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) is a Catholic translation of the Bible published in 1985. The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) has become the most widely used Roman Catholic Bible outside of the United States. It has the imprimatur of Cardinal George Basil Hume.

REF: Bible - Catholic Online

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Once again, the term Roman Catholic Church is not referring to the 19 other Rites that help make up the Church - and who DON'T use the Jerusalem Bible.

You can kick and scream all you want but the official title of the Catholic Church is The Catholic Church - and not The Roman Catholic Church.

The shift to materialism provoked by the industrial Revolution demanded a more Earth-based perspective that would allow total dedication to materialism while tagging the results as God's blessings.

Radrook said:

The shift to materialism provoked by the industrial Revolution demanded a more Earth-based perspective that would allow total dedication to materialism while tagging the results as God's blessings.

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Perhaps for most of the leaders, and maybe most of the people , of the world and children of the devil/ sons of disobedience, yes, definitely.

Sons of disobedience opposed to Jesus every day, are free to continue posting every day, many times, as they do anyway,
arguing to try to drag more people down with them,
as that is their nature ,
and they are not prevented nor stopped from doing so.

Only a few post warnings so others seeking God's Kingdom might be warned/ alerted to the deviousness of the sons of disobedience and the continuing deception.

Praise be to YHWH CREATOR of HEAVEN AND EARTH a
and HIS SALVATION IN JESUS THE SAVIORMESSIAH KING AND HEALER !