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I won't mention them here due to risk of derailing this thread. Those topics can be quite controversial (but still abiding by the rules of this section).

I can however, post some of them in their separate threads in this section soon. Separately, they don't sound controversial and of good discussion here to keep ourselves in track with our faith and avoid false teachers.

I'm not necessarily encouraging you to, werx. It invites trouble, so you should only do it if you feel specifically led of the Lord to. I was just saying when it comes to this kind of subject, one can only glean so much without specifics.
 
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I'm not necessarily encouraging you to, werx. It invites trouble, so you should only do it if you feel specifically led of the Lord to. I was just saying when it comes to this kind of subject, one can only glean so much without specifics.

I'll try to give it a catchy title. Sadly, I don't have a talent for it but I'll try!
 
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All of us are deceived in many ways. We must remember that Satan is in control of the world. And that means the systems like education, government and many of their leaders and most certainly books and ideologies. So why are we so surprised by this? It is because we think OUR worldview is correct while everyone else believes incorrect things.
I'll admit that's it is very likely that I believe some bogus things. I was able to uncover many and I thank God for that but I am sure there is much more.

This scenario is nothing new to the Father. He sees His children deceived by the wisdom of the world and I don't think He is mad at us for it. It's OK because believing the right things just can't be a prerequisite for salvation due to the sheer immensity and variety of it all.
After tens of thousands of hours of reading and study and numerous life experiences of over 30 years as a believer I am convinced that it is all a test. We are free to believe whatever revelations we currently hold because we are all in a growing process. Growing in the knowledge of the true character of our God - not the ones promulgated by organized authorities is the goal.
There are three things we must do to progress:
1. Be open and be aware that we are probably wrong about many assumptions
2. Take off our ego suits and put on humility
3. Spend much time searching and digging.

Finding the pearls of truth requires much time and devotion. Its like searching for buried treasure. We have the map....the word and Spirit of God, but if we only look at what others have uncovered, then we may be led astray. I believe that it is not possible to know and obtain every nuance of God in this world. Me simply must spend time digging on our own. If we don't spend our own time searching, we probably won't find much.
We each are individuals to Him like our children are with us and He deals with all differently. He reveals who He really is to each of us in unique ways. It s great to share with others but we should not expect others to conform. We should be open to others but not follow teachers or denominations blindly.

None of us are above being deceived but all of us are able to uncover the truths He is telling us.
 
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A good question would be HOW does one KNOW he follows Christ , the Spirit
and has not been deceived.
AND YES their is an answer. Its the only way to know what SPIRIT we follow.
The HOLY SPIRIT would teach and magnify JESUS SAYINGS
not twist or allow one to go around it. Many with remarriage
prosperity gospel, emergent church, a false love
a false peace , a false unity focused on the world. NOT ON CHRIST
if any likes I can bring the whole list..........but man its much easier to just
say ANY SPIRIT that contradicts ANYTHING JESUS said, that makes it seem okay
to go around anything he said.........IS OF SATAN. and that is truth as simple as I can say it.
 
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If I ask any Christian if they are deceived, I believe no one will admit it.... But there will be many Christians who are deceived who aren't aware of it, otherwise, Matthew 7:22-23 would be false.


Remember, the Bible separates Christians into TWO GROUPS
(a) the saved "wheat/sheep" and
(b) the unsaved "tares/goats"

When you say the word "Christian" you are talking about either BOTH the "wheat and tares"
or you are talking about ONLY the saved "wheat".... depending on the CONTEXT of the verse.

Bottom Line:
When talking about "Christians" you need to specify whether you are talking about
the saved "wheat" or the unsaved "tares"... because (after the separation) one group
is promised eternal salvation while the other group is promised eternal torment.

BTW.... add Luke 13:23-30 to Matthew 7:21-23


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There are three things we must do to progress:
1. Be open and be aware that we are probably wrong about many assumptions
2. Take off our ego suits and put on humility
3. Spend much time searching and digging.

Sadly, many won't think like that.
 
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Sadly, many won't think like that.
Not all are deceived. JESUS don't come to let us remain deceived. Nor trapped in sin.
HE comes to set us free. The thing is most have not been made free
or if they had, they went back to wallowing in the sin pit.
Believe me, confusion is not of Christ . He wont let us be deceived.
WE are deceived when we love our own carnal ways and twist HIS sayings
change his sayings to mold Him into our image .
Yes, I know most would say they are not deceived..and they would BELIEVE it.
Their is only one way to truly KNOW if we follow Christ or our own image of
who man has made him into , to suit their carnal ways.
The way to KNOW if you truly follow HIM..................LOVE HIS SAYINGS
and twist not a one....they are just pure and set one free.
But concering anything
remarriage, swearing , self defense, war, money loving
if we have twisted anything HE said to suit what we want to believe
WE ARE DECIEVED
HIS SYAINGS are like HONEY to the soul.
This might sting most a bit. for I would sadly have to say
about ninety or ninety five percent of those who claim they love him
have twisted at least one or two of his sayings.
THEY DONT KNOW HIM ...............they call him LORD , LORD
but do not do the things he said.
Many , my oh my , many have been deceived and loved to have it so.
of course they don't realize it.
My JESUS is love...........they say...........he wants me happy
as they twist his sayings to find the happiness and peace they think has set them free.
When in fact their own lust has left them only blind
and they have not the peace nor fullfllment that I do.
By just living HIS sayings out.
IF any likes I will list them all. I bet most have twisted some
and you would be surprised at the who . Very surprised.
 
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It happened before:

John 1:11
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.


It will happen again:

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


It will happen again and again and again...

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.


If I ask any Christian if they are deceived, I believe no one will admit it.... But there will be many Christians who are deceived who aren't aware of it, otherwise, Matthew 7:22-23 would be false.

Peace be with you.

I think the lighthouse is not shining because people are telling it that it's works don't save. So the ships all sink because the lighthouse believed the lie.

I think a lot of us have been tricked, deceived and duped.

God bless you.
 
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It happened before:

John 1:11
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.


It will happen again:

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


It will happen again and again and again...

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.


If I ask any Christian if they are deceived, I believe no one will admit it.... But there will be many Christians who are deceived who aren't aware of it, otherwise, Matthew 7:22-23 would be false.
Some are deceived into thinking the Bible is the 100% true word of God. Others are deceived into thinking the Bible is false, when in fact a diligent student will find truth in it.

It is hard not to be deceived when people are lying. A politician told you he is going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it. Who could believe it? In years gone by, tobacco companies advertised cigarettes are good for people's health. Now they are not allowed to make those claims anymore. There are all sorts of nutritional supplements that are supposed to heal you. Not all of them exceed the effectiveness of sugar pills.

I watched the stock market. Sometimes I thought I knew the truth about the stock market only to find I had been deceived again. With more intense study, a greater probability of gains. Finding good sources is more important than the number of hours spent studying.

'Though shalt not bear false witness' (Exodus 20:16). That is difficult when people are feeding you false information. I recall a statement from the Roman writer Cicero from before the birth of Christ. 'Faith makes good on its promises.'
 
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It happened before:

John 1:11
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.


It will happen again:

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


It will happen again and again and again...

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.


If I ask any Christian if they are deceived, I believe no one will admit it.... But there will be many Christians who are deceived who aren't aware of it, otherwise, Matthew 7:22-23 would be false.

I would say blinded rather than deceived. For example, the Jews were blind to the coming of Christ because they believed the doctrine that Messiah would deliver them from Rome. I think many Christians will be blind to the second coming because of the doctrine of the pre-tribulation rapture.

I understand the use of the term, deceived, however. It connotes to me the statement that Jesus makes regarding the end times: if it were possible even the elect would be deceived.

Mat_24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.​

But this deception is false Christs. I think there will be many who call themselves Christians who do not have the new birth that will be deceived.
 
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It happened before:

John 1:11
He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.


It will happen again:

Matthew 7:22-23
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


It will happen again and again and again...

Ecclesiastes 1:9
What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.


If I ask any Christian if they are deceived, I believe no one will admit it.... But there will be many Christians who are deceived who aren't aware of it, otherwise, Matthew 7:22-23 would be false.
Yeah people are interesting.

bugkiller
 
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The sad thing is that those strategies will work and is recorded in Christ's prophecy and many Christians will not be saved. We're not just talking about a small % of Christians but probably large.
You must be talking about the pseudo christian.

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Not all are deceived. JESUS don't come to let us remain deceived. Nor trapped in sin.
HE comes to set us free. The thing is most have not been made free
or if they had, they went back to wallowing in the sin pit.
Believe me, confusion is not of Christ . He wont let us be deceived.
WE are deceived when we love our own carnal ways and twist HIS sayings
change his sayings to mold Him into our image .
Yes, I know most would say they are not deceived..and they would BELIEVE it.
Their is only one way to truly KNOW if we follow Christ or our own image of
who man has made him into , to suit their carnal ways.
The way to KNOW if you truly follow HIM..................LOVE HIS SAYINGS
and twist not a one....they are just pure and set one free.
But concering anything
remarriage, swearing , self defense, war, money loving
if we have twisted anything HE said to suit what we want to believe
WE ARE DECIEVED
HIS SYAINGS are like HONEY to the soul.
This might sting most a bit. for I would sadly have to say
about ninety or ninety five percent of those who claim they love him
have twisted at least one or two of his sayings.
THEY DONT KNOW HIM ...............they call him LORD , LORD
but do not do the things he said.
Many , my oh my , many have been deceived and loved to have it so.
of course they don't realize it.
My JESUS is love...........they say...........he wants me happy
as they twist his sayings to find the happiness and peace they think has set them free.
When in fact their own lust has left them only blind
and they have not the peace nor fullfllment that I do.
By just living HIS sayings out.
IF any likes I will list them all. I bet most have twisted some
and you would be surprised at the who . Very surprised.

I hope you will list His sayings please, frienden thalord, that might be very helpful to see them all together and examine ourselves in light of them. Jesus said if you love me, you will keep my sayings.
 
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But this deception is false Christs. I think there will be many who call themselves Christians who do not have the new birth that will be deceived.

I don't fully agree.

The **elect** are the elite pedigree of Christians like the 12 disciples. These are people who literally breathe the Word of God day in and day out. Their knowledge of the Word is beyond question.

If even the elect could be deceived, then we are at false doctrines that look close enough to the Word of God....

....A fake theology that looks very much like the real thing that even the experts (elect) could be deceived by it.

And even if the elect could be deceived, we may be looking at a grand scheme of deception where the majority of Christians might already be deceived.
 
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