Why Luther was Wrong

The Apostle paul preached righteousness/ justification by faith apart from works/observing the law.
In that context I would say faith is all important.
In my experience, those who believe they are justified by faith alone before God, are the most loving, merciful and compassionate Christians.
That would sum up Pauls message well:
Do we then nullify the law by this faith( righteousness through faith/ not works, law) not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom3:31

Well you could end up in an in depth discussion concerning the NC.
Love is the most Important commandment as to how one must live their life. But Paul preached: believe you are justified/ righteous by faith and you will live as God desires you to, which would include loving others.
So I would say, faith is the most important thing where righteousness before God is concerned

bettercallpaul said:

"Your life is meant to be a life of love" It is not enough to just believe. We have to at least try to love or pray that God loves through us.

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At least in Lutheranism, that is implied in the practice of the faith. For indeed, faith without works is dead. We take seriously God's commandments and the threatened punishments for those who do not obey them. But we know that if we sin, we have an advocate with God, Jesus Christ. So what we have is a dialectic that transcends simplistic "work your way to heaven" or "easy-believism".

bettercallpaul said:

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It's a 50 minute video. Could you give us the bullet points?

stuart lawrence said:

The Apostle paul preached righteousness/ justification by faith apart from works/observing the law.
In that context I would say faith is all important.
In my experience, those who believe they are justified by faith alone before God, are the most loving, merciful and compassionate Christians.
That would sum up Pauls message well:
Do we then nullify the law by this faith( righteousness through faith/ not works, law) not at all! Rather we uphold the law
Rom3:31

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Then why did St Paul place charity (agape) over faith?

In all reality if you want simplify salvation down to a simple statement then "we are saved by faith, hope, and charity", would be more accurate.

bettercallpaul said:

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Excellent video.
Robert Haddad is good, I've met him before.

Erose said:

Then why did St Paul place charity (agape) over faith?

In all reality if you want simplify salvation down to a simple statement then "we are saved by faith, hope, and charity", would be more accurate.

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Faith is the most important thing where righteousness/ justification is concerned before God. Love is most important as to how you must live out your Christian life with others. Hence your quote from 1cor ch13

You guys are missing the whole concept of "saved by Grace". You put in the faith and are saved, then God puts the love in your heart by way of the Holy Spirit. You can not produce love on your own, your old heart does not have that in it ( not the kind of love spoken of in 1 Corinthians 13 which is agape). In the Grace way your old heart is replaced with a new heart ( spiritual heart not our mechanical heart), thus the verse about being a New creation/creature in Christ Jesus, which speaks of the new born again believer:
2 Corinthians 5:17New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, a]">[a]he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Same thing of works, works come out of the new heart, it isn't something that gets you the new heart. We are born already fallen if we don't find Jesus. We aren't equipped with this stuff in us, God has to put it there and that comes after salvation. We can't work our way to salvation period:
Ephesians 2:8-9New International Version (NIV)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

The veil was torn at the cross guys, things are different now. People get all confused when they try and mix pre cross rituals with post cross grace. We have direct access now to the Holy of Holy's. It can't be any plainer to me than the very daylight outside today. I've lived my life both ways and when you come to Christ in the Grace way it's like a huge weight gets lifted off of you. Your heart is light, you feel love and compassion and Jesus Christ means everything to you. You're changed.

bettercallpaul said:

...Interpreting scripture accurately?

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No.

bettercallpaul said:

It seems Catholics choose scripture to suit their argument and non-catholics choose different scripture to support theirs.

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"seems", perhaps.
Read I and II Thessalonians and see if that's the case.

Just throw away the Apostle Paul and God's word and believe what you wish? That is in itself, lawlessness, because you refuse to submit yourself to the righteousness of God in Christ, and seek to establish your own righteousness by works..

Romans 4:5-8New King James Version (NKJV)

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

If God imputes righteousness apart from works, then salvation is of God and not of yourselves.
But if you must work to obtain righteousness, then you are owed wages, and your sins are not covered by the blood, by faith in His shed blood and your going to be judged. Since God says all men sin, and the soul that sins shall die, the wages of sin is death, your end will be to be burned up in the fire if you do not believe what God says. Christ will say I never knew you depart from me you that work lawlessness. Those that He forced to depart, did many interesting and 'good' spiritual things it seemed.

Jude
5 But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

Matthew 7:21-23New King James Version (NKJV)
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Many will say to Christ look what we did, look at our works, and Christ will tell them He never knew them.

MANY PEOPLE, not a few, many Christ said will be deceived.

bettercallpaul said:

He quotes a lot of scripture from the gospels and saint Paul.
He say faith alone is not enough in opposition to Luther.
He summarises various Protestant views including the evangelical pov.
He says we need to live a life of love as well as faith. Thus obeying the Commandments.
He wants Catholics to be more aware of what Catholics stand for.
He promotes adult faith education for Catholics in Australia.

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No, that argument fails. It makes a straw man fallacy of what "faith alone" means.

Faith being the only thing that saves does NOT mean works will not be present. His argument ignores the fact that Protestants acknowledge that saving faith produces works and produces that "life of love".

But, while necessarily present, that doesn't mean they do anything to save you. Works are a RESULT of salvation, NOT a CAUSE.

bettercallpaul said:

Do you think this speaker is well-informed? Interpreting scripture accurately?

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I'm certainly not going to invest over 49 minutes to find out, bcp!

Albion said:

I'm certainly not going to invest over 49 minutes to find out, bcp!

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He did provide a Cliffs Notes version in post #11.