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If the Gospel's so easy, ( BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED), but then why are there so many different teachings? According to Paul in Corinthians 15 the true Gospel is:

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This should be good. Let everyone come forth and proclaim what those scriptures are, if you really know them. But remember, the Gospel is a powerful concept, and you best think well on what you come up with.

Sincerely:
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If the Gospel's so easy, ( BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED), but then why are there so many different teachings?
When Jesus walked on earth,
why did only a few disciples follow Him ?

Most of the disciples that started to follow Him,
apparently,
walked away when the cost got to great. He did not go after them to bring them back.

Later, the Apostles warned the ekklesia assemblies of followers of Jesus
that wolves already then were circling the flock, ready to tear it to pieces as soon as the Apostles departed.

And that's what happened.

There were and continued and are a few exceptions. (faithful ekklesia who follow Jesus)
 
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When Jesus walked on earth,
why did only a few disciples follow Him ?

Most of the disciples that started to follow Him,
apparently,
walked away when the cost got to great. He did not go after them to bring them back.

Later, the Apostles warned the ekklesia assemblies of followers of Jesus
that wolves already then were circling the flock, ready to tear it to pieces as soon as the Apostles departed.

And that's what happened.

There were and continued and are a few exceptions. (faithful ekklesia who follow Jesus)

QUOTE="yeshuaslavejeff, post: 71423213, member: 96665"]When Jesus walked on earth,
why did only a few disciples follow Him ?

Most of the disciples that started to follow Him,
apparently,
walked away when the cost got to great. He did not go after them to bring them back.


Later, the Apostles warned the ekklesia assemblies of followers of Jesus
that wolves already then were circling the flock, ready to tear it to pieces as soon as the Apostles departed.

And that's what happened.

There were and continued and are a few exceptions. (faithful ekklesia who follow Jesus)[/QUOTE]

I agree that wolves moved in as it says in Acts 20, but I was looking for the scriptural basis of Paul's statement in 1st Cor. 15 as I listed above. Thanks for your input.

P.S. The apostles were having a difficult time with Christ and His spiritual knowledge, and there is really no difference today. If I start talking about sacrifice, people are immediately lost.

Sincerely
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If the Gospel's so easy, ( BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED), but then why are there so many different teachings
IMO......because people, with their own agendas, have hijacked the Gospel for their own purpose to the point where their version is hardly "good news".
 
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IMO......because people, with their own agendas, have hijacked the Gospel for their own purpose to the point where their version is hardly "good news".
Bravo, I guess i'm not just crazy after all. I agree perfectly with you, now though, if you can, give the scriptures that Paul was referring to concerning the Gospel.
 
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That is entirely Scriptural- as YHWH Says, and Verifies, and Breathed, so what
is actually the question ?
The question is: What are the scriptures that Paul was referring too when he said:

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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If the Gospel's so easy, ( BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND YOU SHALL BE SAVED), but then why are there so many different teachings? According to Paul in Corinthians 15 the true Gospel is:

1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This should be good. Let everyone come forth and proclaim what those scriptures are, if you really know them. But remember, the Gospel is a powerful concept, and you best think well on what you come up with.

I don't see any particular problem here. What you started out with here is the Gospel boiled down to its most important essential. But at the same time as we remain cognizant of it, we know that the Gospels teach much more in addition. What's the problem?[/QUOTE]
 
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I don't see any particular problem here. What you started out with here is the Gospel boiled down to its most important essential. But at the same time as we remain cognizant of it, we know that the Gospels teach much more in addition. What's the problem?
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I think in part, that is a good answer, for the entire Gospel is the Word of God and how it bares witness to the Christ. The early temple had ceremonies that had to be fulfilled for the basis of it's operation. I would think that a true believing, well read Jew would come up with the best answer. What was the fundamental law that established the temple service of the old testament? What is the OT law that bears witness to the resurrection, for this will establish the law of faith. and the operation of the NT.
 
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The question is: What are the scriptures that Paul was referring too when he said: .... .... ..... ....
...... how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
There's only ONE SCRIPTURES. (as Y'SHUA always referred to, grew up with , and all the disciples and all the JEWS had and used and read and studied all the time in Temple and in Synagogues world wide) YHWH'S BREATHED WORD, as He Planned All Along, Always, Forever, from before the Creation of the World and the Universe and the Sun and all LIFE everywhere.....

Also, look for YHWH'S MEANING in the verses:

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And that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was buried in a kever (grave, burial place, YESHAYAH 53:9), and that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was raised in a Techiyah from the mesim on YOM HASHLISHI (BERESHIS 1:11-13 [T.N. Chag HaBikkurim Lev 23:10-11, see 1C 15:20]; SHEMOT 19:11,15-16; YEHOSHUA 1:11; BAMIDBAR 19:11 13; YONAH 1:17; HOSHEA 6:2; MELACHIM BAIS 20:5,8; EZRA 6:15) according to the Kitvei Hakodesh (TEHILLIM 16:10),


1 Corinthians 15:4Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

4 and he was buried; and he was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the Tanakh says;
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
 
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There's only ONE SCRIPTURES. (as Y'SHUA always referred to, grew up with , and all the disciples and all the JEWS had and used and read and studied all the time in Temple and in Synagogues world wide) YHWH'S BREATHED WORD, as He Planned All Along, Always, Forever, from before the Creation of the World and the Universe and the Sun and all LIFE everywhere.....

(CJB)

Wow this was good!
Yes, the scriptures are "all that".
 
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There's only ONE SCRIPTURES. (as Y'SHUA always referred to, grew up with , and all the disciples and all the JEWS had and used and read and studied all the time in Temple and in Synagogues world wide) YHWH'S BREATHED WORD, as He Planned All Along, Always, Forever, from before the Creation of the World and the Universe and the Sun and all LIFE everywhere.....

Also, look for YHWH'S MEANING in the verses:

OJB
And that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was buried in a kever (grave, burial place, YESHAYAH 53:9), and that Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was raised in a Techiyah from the mesim on YOM HASHLISHI (BERESHIS 1:11-13 [T.N. Chag HaBikkurim Lev 23:10-11, see 1C 15:20]; SHEMOT 19:11,15-16; YEHOSHUA 1:11; BAMIDBAR 19:11 13; YONAH 1:17; HOSHEA 6:2; MELACHIM BAIS 20:5,8; EZRA 6:15) according to the Kitvei Hakodesh (TEHILLIM 16:10),


1 Corinthians 15:4Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

4 and he was buried; and he was raised on the third day, in accordance with what the Tanakh says;
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

I believe that when the disciples of Christ met with Jewish leaders among others, they had to present very informative and convincing arguments, and they most likely used the same pitch or forum from one place to another. They would do all this with the scripture, showing how the coming of Christ was predicted, showing how the righteous Christ would be resurrected and deliver man out of sin. So I believe that Paul was referring to specific scripture or scriptures He used that convinced people of the basic or fundamental Gospel.
 
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Yeshua Proclaimed the GOOD NEWS from TORAH, PROPHERS, PSALMS, (THE TANAKH) and also did Stephen in ACTS also, as did all the Apostles and proclaimers of the GOOD NEWS . It is almost like a "lost" Gospel, in many countries/cities/churches, because so few have learnt
the rich amazing fullness PROCLAIMING CHRIST all through the Old Testament.
 
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The answer I have found is non Orthodox. There were almost 100 Gospels (good news) written by the end of the first century by the many that heard the teachings of Jesus from his three year travels.

The pre Nicene Creed (1st and 2nd century) era had many different sects, but all following the teaching of Jesus. There were many scriptures (of Christ) in the pre Nicene era. Very few in the post Nicene era.

Duffy supports this model, noting that Christianity throughout the Roman Empire was "in a state of violent creative ferment" during the 2nd century. Orthodoxy, or proto-orthodoxy, existed alongside forms of Christianity that would become extreme deviance, or "heresy", in the near future, such as Marcionism, Valentinian gnosticism, and Montanism. However, Duffy states that during this period the orthodox and unorthodox were sometimes difficult to distinguish and that Early Christianity in Rome had a wide variety of competing Christian sects.- Eamon Duffy

The early catholic (small c) church fathers (Ignatius, Tertullian, etc.) was the first to accept the Hebrews scriptures as the same truth Jesus said he was. So the division.

By the third century, catholics became the only church recognized by Constantine. And together they created the Catholic (capital c) Church of Rome. Anything heretical (against Catholic thought) was rounded up and destroyed by Rome.

The letters accepted by many Christians as part of Scripture warned about mixing Judaism with Christianity, leading to decisions reached in the first ecumenical council, which was convoked by Emperor Constantine at Nicaea in 325 in response to further disruptive polemical controversy within the Christian community, in that case Arian disputes over the nature of the Trinity. Before 325, the "heretical" nature of some beliefs was a matter of much debate within the churches. After 325, some opinion was formulated as dogma through the canons promulgated by the councils.- This comment is from wiki. It is a compiled comment by the many links within the text.

The actual answer to the OP is that many Christian scriptures written in the first century, and proof is Pauls statement. Which led me to believe that Gospel is much bigger than Catholics lead us to believe.
 
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Summary of the "gospel"?:

Jesus the Christ, the God-Man, Son of God, Son of Man, THE Divine Messiah, TRUE Man, TRUE God, (many names/titles) etc...
has come down / was sent down from the heavenly realms to earth to SAVE Man from eternal spiritual death (separation from God).

GOOD NEWS! GLAD TIDINGS!

"the gospel" >used only in the NT!<...Greek 2098...euaggelion...
as the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death,
the narrative of the sayings, deeds, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ
came to be called the "gospel" or "glad tidings".

Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)...Jesus Preaches in Galilee
Now after John (the Baptizer) had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the "gospel of God",and saying,
“The time (prophecy) is fulfilled, and
the "kingdom of God" (Jesus) is AT HAND; (Jesus the Divine Messaiah has COME!)
Repent (turn to God) AND BELIEVE in the (this?) "gospel".”

Jesus was the personification of the "Kingdom of God".

Luke 17:21...nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

GOSPEL of the KINGDOM / GOSPEL of GOD

Matthew 4:23 (NASB) (see also Matthew 9:15; Matthew 24:14)
... [ Ministry in Galilee /synagogues + Prophecy of the end of the ages]
Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and
proclaiming "the gospel of the kingdom", and
healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.

Ephesians 1:13..In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth,
the gospel of your salvation — having also believed,
you were sealed in Him with (God) the Holy Spirit of promise,

1 Timothy 1:11...according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
 
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Yeshua Proclaimed the GOOD NEWS from TORAH, PROPHERS, PSALMS, (THE TANAKH) and also did Stephen in ACTS also, as did all the Apostles and proclaimers of the GOOD NEWS . It is almost like a "lost" Gospel, in many countries/cities/churches, because so few have learnt
the rich amazing fullness PROCLAIMING CHRIST all through the Old Testament.

Say I'm a unbeliever, but I'm wondering about the reason's for your hope. Convince me of your faith.
 
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Summary of the "gospel"?:

Jesus the Christ, the God-Man, Son of God, Son of Man, THE Divine Messiah, TRUE Man, TRUE God, (many names/titles) etc...
has come down / was sent down from the heavenly realms to earth to SAVE Man from eternal spiritual death (separation from God).

GOOD NEWS! GLAD TIDINGS!

"the gospel" >used only in the NT!<...Greek 2098...euaggelion...
as the Messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death,
the narrative of the sayings, deeds, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ
came to be called the "gospel" or "glad tidings".

Mark 1:14-15 (NASB)...Jesus Preaches in Galilee
Now after John (the Baptizer) had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the "gospel of God",and saying,
“The time (prophecy) is fulfilled, and
the "kingdom of God" (Jesus) is AT HAND; (Jesus the Divine Messaiah has COME!)
Repent (turn to God) AND BELIEVE in the (this?) "gospel".”

Jesus was the personification of the "Kingdom of God".

Luke 17:21...nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’
For behold, the "kingdom of God" is (standing) in your midst.”

GOSPEL of the KINGDOM / GOSPEL of GOD

Matthew 4:23 (NASB) (see also Matthew 9:15; Matthew 24:14)
... [ Ministry in Galilee /synagogues + Prophecy of the end of the ages]
Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and
proclaiming "the gospel of the kingdom", and
healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.

Ephesians 1:13..In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth,
the gospel of your salvation — having also believed,
you were sealed in Him with (God) the Holy Spirit of promise,

1 Timothy 1:11...according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

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In preaching the gospel, what scriptures do you think Paul would have highlighted? That is to a people who have no clue of Christ. Today, most people, unbelievers all over the world, are at least familiar with the name of Jesus, and may not even know anything, but all of a sudden for some reason, believe. I'm sure that the scholars at the time of Christ were not moved by an emotional move on faith, but wanted to see the facts. Well, anyway, the Gospel is by faith, and faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Where God places his name, they are the children of faith. Did we choose Him. No, He chose those whom He will, as the scripture says: "many are called but few are chosen"
 
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POST #17: " what Scriptures do you think Paul would have highlighted? "

Romans 10:13
for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Acts 16...Paul & Silas miraculously released: The Jailer Converted
31 They said, “Believe IN the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 8 (NASB)...Deliverance from Bondage
1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 3:22-25
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe;
for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is IN Christ Jesus;
25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith.

Acts 4:10...JESUS: BOTH LORD (MASTER) + Christ (DIVINE MESSIAH)
let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel,
that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene,
whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead —by this name
this man stands here before you in good health.

Paul has the most surviving MSS!
 
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