Someone posted earlier in this thread:
Water baptism saves,
puts on in the kingdom,
is where sins are washed away,
is where one puts on Christ,
where one walks in newness of life,
is accepting and obeying the gospel.
So one can be saved without being saved,
without being in the kingdom
without putting on Christ
without walking in newness of life
without accepting and obeying the gospel?
1 Cor 12:3 "Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and
that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost."
This verse does NOT mean one must have some miraculous zapping by the Holy Spirit to enlighten one's knowledge that Jesus is Lord. If this were true, then what basis is used for the HS to zap one person with this knowledge that Jesus is Lord but not another person? Such a thing makes the HS a respecter of person and culpable for those that do not know Jesus is Lord.
The Holy Spirit is the author of the word thruogh inspired writers of the bible. When one hears/reads the word thsoe inspired writers wrote down, then one learns THROUGH THE WORD that Jesus is Lord.
Paul was one of those inspired writers that received revelations from the HS, Paul wrote those inspire revelations down "
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)"
Ephesians 3:3-4. Note all that is needed to 'understand' that Jesus is Lord is reading the word that the HS authored.
Further reading on this 1 Cor 12:3 verse:
1 Corinthians 12:3
“That no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, ‘Jesus is accursed’; and no one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord’, except by the Holy Spirit”
John Calvin appealed to the above verse, and argued that this passage is teaching that due to man’s supposed corrupted nature, he cannot even believe what the Bible says about Jesus without the miraculous aid of the Holy Spirit. But Jackson notes, “This Corinthian passage merely asserts that belief in Christ’s lordship is dependent upon the revelatory mission of the Spirit. To suggest that it affirms that each individual must have a direct, personal enlightenment of the Spirit, is to assume more than the text says. The Holy Spirit is the author of the Scriptures; apart from that body of information, no man can declare Christ’s lordship” (Christian Courier). In addition, Paul in this context is talking about inspired men. No man who is truly inspired would ever say anything against Jesus (remember in Corinth all sorts of false religions and false prophets existed). Paul is not teaching that only an inspired person can say, “Jesus is Lord”, because people who will end up lost also professed that Jesus was Lord (Matthew 7:21-23). Even unsaved people can profess that “Jesus is Lord”. “And why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord’, and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46).
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