"Gay iconoclasm: Holding the Line...."

I didn't know wanting tolerance and equal rights was vile to some people. Werid.

By the way, most lgbtq are religious.

Motherofkittens said:

I didn't know wanting tolerance and equal rights was vile to some people. Werid.

By the way, most lgbtq are religious.

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It concerns me that so many are vocal against homosexual activity while being silent against the great tsunami of extra marital heterosexual sex going on.

Paul of Eugene OR said:

It concerns me that so many are vocal against homosexual activity while being silent against the great tsunami of extra marital heterosexual sex going on.

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That is a good point. Sin is sin. In God's eyes all sin is just as evil as the next.

Motherofkittens said:

I didn't know wanting tolerance and equal rights was vile to some people. Werid.

By the way, most lgbtq are religious.

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They already have and have had equal rights. They wanted special rights. And they're the most intolerant people I've ever met. They might be 'tolerant' because they accept others who are gay and believe there are 70 genders, but if there's anyone who disagrees with them, they aren't too tolerant.

Paul of Eugene OR said:

It concerns me that so many are vocal against homosexual activity while being silent against the great tsunami of extra marital heterosexual sex going on.

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I don't know anyone who doesn't think divorce is wrong. The church speaks against it, but it's just another way we're considered intolerant and judgmental. Sex before marriage, divorce, homosexuality, etc, these are all things the church knows is wrong and we speak out equally against them all.

Saucy said:

I don't know anyone who doesn't think divorce is wrong. The church speaks against it, but it's just another way we're considered intolerant and judgmental. Sex before marriage, divorce, homosexuality, etc, these are all things the church knows is wrong and we speak out equally against them all.

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Oh no they don't. There are some people who commit sin after sin but somehow think being gay is the most sinful.

Saucy said:

I don't know anyone who doesn't think divorce is wrong. The church speaks against it, but it's just another way we're considered intolerant and judgmental. Sex before marriage, divorce, homosexuality, etc, these are all things the church knows is wrong and we speak out equally against them all.

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You are generalzing. And you dont have to tolerant untolerance. What special privilege do they want?

Saucy said:

I don't know anyone who doesn't think divorce is wrong. The church speaks against it, but it's just another way we're considered intolerant and judgmental. Sex before marriage, divorce, homosexuality, etc, these are all things the church knows is wrong and we speak out equally against them all.

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My point is we DO NOT speak out equally against them all.

Motherofkittens said:

That is a good point. Sin is sin. In God's eyes all sin is just as evil as the next.

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There are gradations of sin. Some sin under the Mosaic Law demanded the death penalty. Other sins did not. Also, the NT speaks of sin that is unforgivable and sin that is forgivable in God's eyes. So not all sin is equal for god just as all lawlessness isn't equal in a human court of law.

- Jesus answered Pilate: "the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin." John 19:11

- "You who judged your sisters, bear your own shame also, because the sins which you committed were more abominable than theirs..." Ezekiel 16:51-52

Motherofkittens said:

You are generalzing. And you dont have to tolerant untolerance. What special privilege do they want?

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They already had every single right every other American has. They want extra rights. They want special protections. They want to be able to call whatever they want a hate crime. They want to be able to force someone to bake a cake for their gay wedding or it's discrimination. They want homosexuality to be accepted by everyone and they will keep dancing naked in the streets and doing all sorts of disgusting things to prove their point.

The bible says God considers homosexuality an ABOMINATION. That doesn't sound like every other sin to me. Homosexuals will not make it to Heaven, so all this fake crap about 'tolerance' is really hurting them in the long run and letting them get away with sin. That's ultimately the goal right? To make homosexuality acceptable and fun for all?

Radrook said:

There are gradations of sin. Some sin under the Mosaic Law demanded the death penalty. Other sins did not. Also, the NT speaks of sin that is unforgivable and sin that is forgivable in God's eyes. So not all sin is equal for god just as all lawlessness isn't equal in a human court of law.

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Being not gay doesn't even make the ten commandments. Do you know the verse that says all sin is equal in God's eyes?

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Saucy said:

They already had every single right every other American has. They want extra rights. They want special protections. They want to be able to call whatever they want a hate crime. They want to be able to force someone to bake a cake for their gay wedding or it's discrimination. They want homosexuality to be accepted by everyone and they will keep dancing naked in the streets and doing all sorts of disgusting things to prove their point.

The bible says God considers homosexuality an ABOMINATION. That doesn't sound like every other sin to me. Homosexuals will not make it to Heaven, so all this fake crap about 'tolerance' is really hurting them in the long run and letting them get away with sin. That's ultimately the goal right? To make homosexuality acceptable and fun for all?

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This isn't really allowed to be discussed here so I won't. However do you know how many sins you've committed that are called an abomination? Probably many. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

If I am being honest (and I don't condone homosexuality):

For a lot that can't agree on whether or not the 10 commandments should be followed, or can't agree on which laws of God to follow, I find it incredulous to point out the speck of homosexuality when the whole of Christianity has the beam of disunuty.

How is someone who may have homosexual feelings reconcile the spectra of Christianity, and how they should approach their sin (if the denomination, even, rejects it)?

Im so sorry. This thread just poped up and i didnt see where it was posted in. I'll go. Sorry.

Motherofkittens

Thank you for your comment there - it is appreciated.

Grim88 said:

It is abundantly clear that God hates sodomites. We have the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah to warn us of the perils of this vile practice and in the 1980s He sent AIDS as a punishment.

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I get it.

But according to many Christian denominations, the Old Testament does not exist.

Or, "non-Hebrews" (whatever genetic testing you use to figure that out) allegedly do NOT have to follow the same laws as Hebrews - namely the laws of God given by Moses.

Sodom used to attract strangers, tie them up in public, beat and rape them, then kick them out of the city while the derelict scrounge for any loose change the person lost during the experience. And, that is if the visitors are lucky. Sodomites were more than "sodomites," they were vile overall. Gomorrah similarly.

But, your point is inadvertently poignant to my point: there are some Christians that think Sodom was simply about "inhospitality," not actual rape (same or opposite sex,) theft, ruthlessness and downright neglect toward people. When these Christians minister to others, how can they argue Sodom is spiritually related to homosexuality?

Now, let's go back to the OT: on the subject of cherry picking which laws of God we follow, why do we follow the law that literally says homosexuality is "morally and physically nasty" (abomination in Hebrew,) but those same people argue that we can eat bacon wrapped shrimp? What of the laws that say having sex with another soul besides the one you are soul bonded to (intercourse) is adutery?

I agree that homosexuality is not approved by God, but there is a serious disconnect, and hypocrisy in Christianity. Either you are going to respect all of the laws of God, or you arent. It is ridiculous to point out the wrong in someone else when disobedience in the law of God is not only defended, but prided.

Grim88 said:

It is abundantly clear that God hates sodomites. We have the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah to warn us of the perils of this vile practice and in the 1980s He sent AIDS as a punishment.

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And, you may want to rethink the AIDS punishment argument.

AIDS began as a bio weapon tested on an unsuspecting population. The fact that a sexual fluid Westerner spread it amongst the world is a matter of circumstance, not providential punishment.

Homosexuality has existed since the fall; an epidemic tangentially related to a specific sexual preference is not necessarily the punishment, or price.

Ygrene Imref said:

If I am being honest (and I don't condone homosexuality):

For a lot that can't agree on whether or not the 10 commandments should be followed, or can't agree on which laws of God to follow, I find it incredulous to point out the speck of homosexuality when the whole of Christianity has the beam of disunuty.

How is someone who may have homosexual feelings reconcile the spectra of Christianity, and how they should approach their sin (if the denomination, even, rejects it)?

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The difference isn't which sins are worse than others. The difference is what sins we accept and normalize and what sins we repent of.

Yeah, I sin daily. But I repent of my sins. I know they are sins. I work to overcome my sins. But the homosexual community doesn't think it's sin. They want it to be an accepted part of the faith, that it's okay and not a sin to be gay, when it clearly is. That's rewriting scripture and tossing away God's designed plan for marriage.

No one is casting stones by calling a spade a spade. That's what I don't get about people who just take those verses about judging someone out of context. They literally used to throw stones at sinners to kill them. No one is doing that here by saying homosexuality is a sin. Gay is not something that should bring you pride. It's not something you should celebrate. It shouldn't be this big deal where you have to 'come out' and declare it to everyone to get attention.

Jesus told the woman at the well who was sleeping around to "go and sin no more." That's part of the Christian experience, not embracing your sins as a part of you, but dying to self, taking up your cross and following Him.