Why Do We Not Use The Name Of God YHVH?

FredVB · Jun 19, 2017

Jaxxi said:
Because as much as we sin, we are not worthy to utter His name, and it protects His name so that no one is saying His name in vain. It also protects others as well.

No, the Bible never teaches that. And if you say the expression O my G... without meaning to really call on God, you break that commandment that way, not saying the name "Yahweh" is not protection for that, but it is neglecting to keeping remembering God's name.

FredVB · Jun 22, 2017

FredVB said:
"When they say, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
God said, "Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: 'Yahweh God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." Exodus 3

"Yahweh, Yahweh God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation." Exodus 34

This is what Yahweh says, "By those who come near me I must be regarded as holy; and before all the people I must be glorified." Leviticus 10

"Fill their faces with shame, that they may seek your name, O Yahweh. Let them be confounded and dismayed, yes let them be put to shame, that they may know that you, whose name alone is 'Yahweh', are the Most High over all the earth." Psalms 83

"Teach me your way, O Yahweh, I will walk in your truth, unite my heart to fear your name." Psalms 86

"Blessed are the people who know the joyful sound! They walk, O Yahweh, in the light of your countenance. In your name they rejoice all day long, and in your righteousness they are exalted." Psalms 89

"It is good to give thanks to Yahweh. And to sing praises to your name, O Most High. To declare your lovingkindness in the morning, and your faithfulness every night, on an instrument of ten strings, the lute, and the harp, with harmonious sound. For you have made me glad with your work, I will triumph in the work of your hands. O Yahweh, how great are your works! Your thoughts are so very deep." Psalms 92

I said, "Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips, for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of hosts!" Isaiah 6

"Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and who holds fast my covenant, even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer." Isaiah 56

This was not an exhaustive list of passages relevant to the point for this topic, there are so many of such in scriptures that I just won't get to them all, it is too much for me to put my time in trying more, and with these making the point, why add much more for that when it would be seen to be too much text for one to look through, when they might see it from a few such passages? Yahweh would like seeing us remembering his name with use of it for him, along with further obedience to his will anyway.

"Who shall not fear you, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before you, for your judgments have been manifested." Revelation 15

"HalleluYah! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!" Revelation 19

FredVB · Oct 3, 2017

Wgw said:
G-d of course has the unfortunate connotation of referring to a blasphemous damnatory utterance in ordinary English.
Now, within Christianity we do of course routinely refer to God by name (Jesus Christ).

In light of God saying his name is to always be remembered in "all generations" it makes no real sense to conclude that it is reference as a blasphemous damnatory utterance. Certainly if there can be reference to Jesus by name that conclusion would really make no sense.

I think the Tetragrammaton could hypothetically be used to refer to the Trinity in the abstract. I am disinclined however to support the active use of it in contexts where it is not presently used by Orthodox Christians.

Indeed Yahweh is God, as the heavenly Father, Logos, the Word who as God came incarnate as the man Jesus the Son, and the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. There is no reason that is sensibly given to be disinclined to use or support using the name, even where it is not used by other believers, when, again, God said it is to be remembered in all generations.

Just please give us the verse that states we are only to call Him YHWH---and explain why:

(Exo 3:13) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
(Exo 3:14) And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
(Exo 3:15) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Because it is right there, and if you don't see it, where your translation says "the LORD" it says in the original writing of the Bible the name Yahweh.

God said moreover to Moses, “You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.

It is not to say you should only call God Yahweh, that isn't claimed by any. It is saying the name Yahweh isn't to be forgotten, and as it isn't, it is to be used, of course using reference to God, with the name or not, is to be with reverence.

DreamerOfTheHeart · Oct 3, 2017

justlookinla said:
Why use 'God' or 'Lord' when those aren't names?

I see them as operating as names, or nicknames, anyway, which have value.

tturt · Oct 3, 2017

Other religions use the same names to mean another god.

Why leave any doubt?

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 3, 2017

justlookinla said:
Why use 'God' or 'Lord' when those aren't names?

Tradition (not necessarily, perhaps rarely, right), and upbringing, either good or bad - still common.

FredVB · Oct 7, 2017

DreamerOfTheHeart said:
I see them as operating as names, or nicknames, anyway, which have value.

Yahweh does have other names shown in the Bible, and also is designated as God and Lord, but those are words to describe Yahweh, they are not names. "Yahweh" is the one name personally revealed, with it being told that this name is to be remembered in all generations.

FredVB · Oct 8, 2017

Also the name to be remembered, in all generations, is not just for the people of Israel. The Jews are not generally obedient anyway to that, with a position that it is disobedient to speak the name, they are in fact disobedient with not speaking it and thereby not remembering how they would speak it, nothing in the Bible suggests that people were not to speak the name, though there is to be reverence toward Yahweh. But the name is clearly for gentiles coming to godly faith to likewise remember.

Isaiah 56:6 and 7
Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve him,
and to love Yahweh’s name, to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it, and holds fast my covenant; I will bring these to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer.

Copperhead · Oct 8, 2017

Jaxxi said:
Because as much as we sin, we are not worthy to utter His name, and it protects His name so that no one is saying His name in vain. It also protects others as well.

The 3rd commandment has lot more than speaking in mind. It has more to do with how one carries or represents His name. So while one may seem to be avoiding violating the commandment by not speaking the name, how their actions and life reflect upon the Name has the same effect.

Actually, a realistic argument can be asserted that when we sin, we are guilty of violating the 3rd commandment as well.

But we speak the name all the time. When we mention the names of several of the people written about in scripture, we say the name. Many of them had the name of the Lord in their own name. Elijah, or more accurately, Eliyahu, has both the shortened form of Yahweh, or Yah, along with the shortened form of Elohim, or simply El.

And that is in keeping with the Shema, which is also a commandment. Shema, Yisrael. Yahweh Elohim. Yahweh Echad. (Deut 6:4). The most profound statement of who Yahweh is in scripture and the most important proclamation of the Lord anyone can make, and should be on our lips and part of our prayers to Him daily. It confirms not only His name, but the triune nature He is. Yeshua Himself made this part of the His answer when the religious leaders asked Him what the greatest commandment was.

Phantasman · Oct 8, 2017

justlookinla said:
Why use 'God' or 'Lord' when those aren't names?

Names are for flesh, not spirit. The Father has no name in word. Neither does the Holy Spirit. Neither does the Son. Jesus was the son of the Father in flesh. Jesus was crucified.

YHWH, Jehovah, Yeshua, Jesus, etc. are what you make them. Or the way men define them. Names are of no use in the kingdom of God. They are used to make us know something. In the kingdom we will know as we are known.

Copperhead · Oct 8, 2017

That is one perspective. One I would not be comfortable with. Throughout scripture, the Lord bases much of His promises and character on His name. So I would gather that He feels that His name is central to everything. That would seem to correspond with that He made sure He told us His name. And the name Yeshua has as much importance. That is why the angel told Mary that His name would be Yeshua (salvation of YHWH) because He would be the salvation of His people.

FredVB · Oct 12, 2017

Phantasman said:
Names are for flesh, not spirit. The Father has no name in word. Neither does the Holy Spirit. Neither does the Son. Jesus was the son of the Father in flesh. Jesus was crucified.
YHWH, Jehovah, Yeshua, Jesus, etc. are what you make them. Or the way men define them. Names are of no use in the kingdom of God. They are used to make us know something. In the kingdom we will know as we are known.

It may be that from eternity between the heavenly Father, Logos the Word with him, and the Spirit of the Creator, there were not in their communication names and words that we as humans could ever speak. But for us the name is given, through direct revelation, to always and forever remember, and the name of the Father, Logos who is the Son in incarnation, and the Spirit is one name, as the three are really one Being. The Supreme Being is Yahweh, and there is no other, Isaiah 43:10-13.
"Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am Yahweh, and besides Me there is no savior."

"When they say, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?"
God said, "Thus you shall say to the people of Israel: 'Yahweh God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." Exodus 3

"Yahweh, Yahweh God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation." Exodus 34

This is what Yahweh says, "By those who come near me I must be regarded as holy; and before all the people I must be glorified." Leviticus 10

"Fill their faces with shame, that they may seek your name, O Yahweh. Let them be confounded and dismayed, yes let them be put to shame, that they may know that you, whose name alone is 'Yahweh', are the Most High over all the earth." Psalms 83

"Teach me your way, O Yahweh, I will walk in your truth, unite my heart to fear your name." Psalms 86

"Blessed are the people who know the joyful sound! They walk, O Yahweh, in the light of your countenance. In your name they rejoice all day long, and in your righteousness they are exalted." Psalms 89

"It is good to give thanks to Yahweh. And to sing praises to your name, O Most High. To declare your lovingkindness in the morning, and your faithfulness every night, on an instrument of ten strings, the lute, and the harp, with harmonious sound. For you have made me glad with your work, I will triumph in the work of your hands. O Yahweh, how great are your works! Your thoughts are so very deep." Psalms 92

I said, "Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips, for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of hosts!" Isaiah 6

"Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and who holds fast my covenant, even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer." Isaiah 56

"Who shall not fear you, O Lord, and glorify your name? For you alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before you, for your judgments have been manifested." Revelation 15

"HalleluYah! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!" Revelation 19

With these making the point, it might be seen, Yahweh would like seeing us remembering his name with use of it for him, along with further obedience to his will anyway.

FredVB · Oct 13, 2017

Yahweh ultimately cares for those who truly follow him, who are obedient to him, and who fear and glorify his name. You may be saved anyway (in Christ), but you are to still grow in what is righteous.

Revelation 11:18
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear You, O Lord, and glorify Your name? For You alone are holy. For all nations shall come and worship before You, For Your judgments have been manifested.”

FredVB · May 4, 2018

Yahweh is the only necessary being. So I want to recognize him, praising the name of Yahweh. It isn't right for another to fault that.

Laureate · May 4, 2018

Phantasman said:
Names are for flesh, not spirit. The Father has no name in word. Neither does the Holy Spirit. Neither does the Son. Jesus was the son of the Father in flesh. Jesus was crucified.

YHWH, Jehovah, Yeshua, Jesus, etc. are what you make them. Or the way men define them. Names are of no use in the kingdom of God. They are used to make us know something. In the kingdom we will know as we are known.

such teachings make the Word of Elohéyîm of non effect, and cannot be substantiated by Torah nor the Talmudim of Immanuel's disciples.

He has a self proclaimed name, and you are calling Him a Liar, and your blasphemy is tolerated by whom? Yet the same would dare reprimand me, if I were to call you a Liar, there is something awfully perverse here.

Copperhead · May 4, 2018

Yeah, the Lord is pretty picky about His name. All of His promises are conditioned upon His name. YHVH is His specific name. It is so important that the Messiah's name, Yeshua, incorporates The Name into it. Many of the names of the prophets include a shortened version of YHVH, Yah, into their names as well. Isaiah for instance, is Yeshayahu. The Name of God is in Isaiah's name. Jeremiah, Yermiyahu, again The Name of God is in the prophet's name.

yeshuaslavejeff · May 5, 2018

The Messiah doing Yahweh's will told people "Turn to Yahweh".

1 Timothy 4:1 · May 5, 2018

I Pray to YHWH does not matter these three are one anyways , you can call him Jesus Christ or Yahoshua or the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and in any language .

Psalms 19:3

Satan try to remove YHWH's name from Bible so Jews won't be able to call upon his name because Satan wants Jews to not be able to fullfill prophecy in Psalms 118:26 and Matthew 23:39 and it should something like

Baruch haba b'shem YHWH

yeshuaslavejeff · May 5, 2018

1 Timothy 4:1 said:
I Pray to YHWH does not matter these three are one anyways , you can call him Jesus Christ or Yahoshua or the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and in any language .

Psalms 19:3

Yes, focus or seek Yahweh and Yeshua for what is needed.
The scribes and pharisees who opposed truth knew very well the original NAME,
and Yeshua's Name,
and so did the seven sons of sceva,
yet they did not benefit at all !

Laureate · May 6, 2018

1 Timothy 4:1 said:
I Pray to YHWH does not matter these three are one anyways , you can call him Jesus Christ or Yahoshua or the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob and in any language .

Psalms 19:3

Satan try to remove YHWH's name from Bible so Jews won't be able to call upon his name because Satan wants Jews to not be able to fullfill prophecy in Psalms 118:26 and Matthew 23:39 and it should something like

Baruch haba b'shem YHWH

Not that you are incorrect, but your wording does warrant clarification to discern between the true and (popular) false notions pertaining to some of the key terms which were brought forth of you.

You said, 'Satan try to remove YHWH's name from bible...', yet the name יהוה has never been stricken from (the [k'boʷd] 'Hard' copy of) the Book of Life, they however, do not call (utter) the name when they read it, or speak of Him.

There are a number of reasons for this anomaly, amongst the most popular we find that, they discourage the Use of H'Shem (The Name) to advert from inadvertent Miss Use of יהוה (Î)yéhûʷəʰ 'Existence [> הוהי Haʷvaî], That Which Is, That Which Was, and That Which Is To Come'.

Yet to read scripture and not read His Name is a Miss Use in it'self, the Christians do not even know they are considered 'Jews' in heaven's eyes, just like Yeshua is, and was considered an adherent of the Jewish Faith;

How much less do the Many who come in His name [i.e., calling themselves Christians (Announted Beings)] deceive Many [i.e., themselves, and those who adhere to their ignorant take of the Truth], especially when they have all been taught to 'Call on the Lord God' for Salvation, a Deity which no biblical Angel or Prophet ever spoke of in reference to Yahweh Elohéyîm.

You also said, '...because Satan wants Jews to not be able to fullfill prophecy...', this (though slightly convoluted) is true, in that El Sʰ'dai [became Adversarial to YHW(D)H, and] has placed them on a free spin if you will, but just until the fullness of the Gentiles are brought into the spiritual fold, then shall the Jews be released from their free spin to fulfill the lot of their end time prophecies.

As for your use of the term 'Satan', it is important to note that, where there is One Sʰ'tən (Adversary, Opponent, etc.) there is always a second Sʰ'tən (Adversary, Opponent, etc.), the difference between an Adversary and an Enemy, is Enmity (Hatred), the Pride of Man is the Adversary who Opposes The Divine Word of Elohéyîm that is sown in a man's consciousness.

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