The "coming of the son of man" already took place?

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Why do you say "the saved" can straight up see ?
What passage are you referring to ?

Revelations where the bible speaks of him returning with the blink of an eye. I wasn't referring to the passage you'll are discussing.

And come on man you can't be that dense. Straight up see as in like see with your eyes.... right now we can't see spiritual things with our eyes but when JESUS returns those who are saved and ready to go up will see him.
 
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...It can't be because when Jesus talks about this "coming of the son of man event" he speaks to them as if they would live to see it.

COOL! Yet what Jesus says is always truth(this never changes). And in english, it apparently is not/ was not so. (in most people's thinking/ western or american or greek thought)
 
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It's in more than one place where Jesus tells them they'd live to see the "coming of the son of man" event.

QUOTE="yeshuaslavejeff, post: 71411624, member: 96665"]COOL! Yet what Jesus says is always truth(this never changes). And in english, it apparently is not/ was not so. (in most people's thinking/ western or american or greek thought)[/QUOTE
 
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Revelations where the bible speaks of him returning with the blink of an eye. I wasn't referring to the passage you'll are discussing.

And come on man you can't be that dense. Straight up see as in like see with your eyes.... right now we can't see spiritual things with our eyes but when JESUS returns those who are saved and ready to go up will see him.
WHO? Who gets to see Jesus return, was/is the point.

Where does it say/ where is it written/ that ONLY the saved see Him return ?
 
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The "coming of the son of man" event is not the physical return of Christ at the resurrection. It can't be because when Jesus talks about this "coming of the son of man event" he speaks to them as if they would live to see it.

The context in chapter 10 is that the 12 are being sent out (for the moment) to preach....

They will not have time to cover all of Israel before a certain thing happens.

That thing is I think Christ returning in the fullness of His Kingdom, upon His resurrection. He returned in the fullness of His Kingdom, with all of His power.

In contrast the Matthew 16 verse is about His final return, with the angels. The "2nd" coming.
 
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WHO? Who gets to see Jesus return, was/is the point.

Where does it say/ where is it written/ that ONLY the saved see Him return ?


Again you're coming off....as dense, the saved people or saints are the ones who see him and are called up. I stated this twice already as to who gets to see JESUS return.

1 Corinthians 15:52King James Version (KJV)
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


but it's made clear in revelations that the sinners/unsaved miss out on this


revelations 20:
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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You haven't really explained it yet.
When/if they tell what school / church/ cult they are in (if it is a cult),
that
will go a long way toward explaining what they are saying.

From Scripture, it is impossible to justify what they are saying, so far.
 
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It's in more than one place where Jesus tells them they'd live to see the "coming of the son of man" event.

You know, the phrase "son of man" has significance. For one thing it refers to Christ in his Human incarnation, and Christ having been in His human incarnation.

Consider -- He died and was buried....and they *all* thought it was all over.

Right? If not sure, read those sections at the ends of the gospels about the discovery at the tomb and their amazement. (And even then, it took more for Thomas than just testimony of others.)

He returned. Back from the dead. In person!
 
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Again you're coming off....as dense, the saved people or saints are the ones who see him and are called up. I stated this twice already as to who gets to see JESUS return.
I guess you're not referring to JESUS RETURN TO EARTH then ?
As written in the BIBLE
when everyone on earth will see Him,
like lightening flashing from east to west -
no secret return ....
everyone saved and the unsaved will all see Him.
 
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I guess you're not referring to JESUS RETURN TO EARTH then ?
As written in the BIBLE
when everyone on earth will see Him,
like lightening flashing from east to west -
no secret return ....
everyone saved and the unsaved will all see Him.
the verse sounds familiar can you post it?
 
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The context in chapter 10 is that the 12 are being sent out (for the moment) to preach....

They will not have time to cover all of Israel before a certain thing happens.

That thing is I think Christ returning in the fullness of His Kingdom, upon His resurrection. He returned in the fullness of His Kingdom, with all of His power.

In contrast the Matthew 16 verse is about His final return, with the angels. The "2nd" coming.
What makes you think Mt. 16 isn't also the coming of the son of man event spoken of in Mt. 10? In Mt. 10:22 Jesus tells them "the one who has endured to the end will be saved."
Mt. 23:34 says that he's sending them out and they will be killed and crucified and scourged in the synagogues and persecuted from city to city and that all this will come upon this generation (pretty much the same thing in Mt. 10). In other words, some would live to see the coming of the son of man. Mt. 24:13 says the one who endures to the end will be saved. Same thing as Mt. 10 where you agree he's taking about the "coming of the son of man" event.
 
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You know, the phrase "son of man" has significance. For one thing it refers to Christ in his Human incarnation, and Christ having been in His human incarnation.

Consider -- He died and was buried....and they *all* thought it was all over.

Right? If not sure, read those sections at the ends of the gospels about the discovery at the tomb and their amazement. (And even then, it took more for Thomas than just testimony of others.)

He returned. Back from the dead. In person!
Are you familiar with the "coming of the son of man" imagery in Daniel 7? It gives this scene where one like the son of man was taken on the clouds of heaven to the "Ancient of Days" to receive a kingdom. This son of man figure symbolizes oppressed Israel and his coming on the clouds represents Israel's vindication over their oppressors. It has been suggested that Jesus was using this imagery and applying it to himself.
 
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We have to know that Jesus Christ comes back for Israel in Revelation, so saying that already happened is IMHO, calling Jesus a liar in a way.

Anyone care to respond as to why if Jesus came back already, He did not redeem the elect of Israel?
The "coming of the son of man" event isn't Jesus' physical return and physical resurrection of all souls.
 
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What makes you think Mt. 16 isn't also the coming of the son of man event spoken of in Mt. 10? In Mt. 10:22 Jesus tells them "the one who has endured to the end will be saved."
Mt. 23:34 says that he's sending them out and they will be killed and crucified and scourged in the synagogues and persecuted from city to city and that all this will come upon this generation (pretty much the same thing in Mt. 10). In other words, some would live to see the coming of the son of man. Mt. 24:13 says the one who endures to the end will be saved. Same thing as Mt. 10 where you agree he's taking about the "coming of the son of man" event.

That He has in Matthew 10, in a continuous passage, all together one passage, one moment in time, sent them out, with this talk, including the verse. So the verse is part of His talk to them, as He sends them out on this temporary mission, like training.
 
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Are you familiar with the "coming of the son of man" imagery in Daniel 7? It gives this scene where one like the son of man was taken on the clouds of heaven to the "Ancient of Days" to receive a kingdom. This son of man figure symbolizes oppressed Israel and his coming on the clouds represents Israel's vindication over their oppressors. It has been suggested that Jesus was using this imagery and applying it to himself.

"Son of man" is wonderfully in the old testament several places. I love that. Ezekiel, for instance (among others). It's in the quote I put under my posts. It's not only a symbolic thing, but also about a tangible thing -- life on Earth as a human in a mortal body.

That's also a deep and meaningful thing. Consider the Words of Christ about it --

"27And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man."

!

John chapter 5. See that word -- "because". See? That's why Christ is given that specific power.
 
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Ah!


Here's a piece of what we need to notice about that "1rst "coming, the one after the (unexpected to the disciples) resurrection.

"Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." -- Matthew 28, after the resurrection.

Not a small thing! This is Christ in the full power of His Kingdom.

I think I just now am learning the bigger import of this. The gospels are so full of meaning, there is so much, it's easy to miss things. He says "All authority".
 
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This is much bigger than many other things we often talk about. "All authority in heaven and on Earth." See? On Earth, He has "all authority", by the gospel. Him alone. There is no other 'authority', but only servants.....
 
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