How will the little horn change times and laws?

GingerBeer said:

By second commandment I am guessing you mean second according to some particular numbering system. I number the commandments this way

1. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
   
2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
   
3. Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your manservant, or your maidservant, or your ox, or your ass, or any of your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your manservant and your maidservant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out thence with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
   
4. Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you; that your days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with you, in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
   
5. You shall not kill.
   
6. Neither shall you commit adultery.
   
7. Neither shall you steal.
   
8. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.
   
9. Neither shall you covet your neighbor's wife.
   
10. You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's.

Deuteronomy 5:6-21
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How about this, our neighbour has had a few tom cats through the years. The grandfather tomcat coveted our cat, the father did and the son tom cat is now running under the bushes coveting our precious old cat maid. Is it ok for single cats? Our cat does not seem amused.

Roseonathorn said:

How about this, our neighbour has had a few tom cats through the years. The grandfather tomcat coveted our cat, the father did and the son tom cat is now running under the bushes coveting our precious old cat maid. Is it ok for single cats? Our cat does not seem amused.

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Amusing little story. Do you think that the Law of Moses was aimed at cats?

Yahchristian
I think that the commandment to keep the seventh day was for Israel. That's what scripture says.
Aaronic priesthood and offering go hand in hand with seventh day observance under the Law and the offering obligation is perpetual for Aaron. But it is not an obligation for you, is it?

Yahchristian said:

Do you think any more of the Ten Commandments "were for Israel"?

In other words, do we have Nine Commandments or fewer?

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Each commandment was given to Israel as their law. If the commandment is part of the Christian faith because it is explicitly restated as binding on Christians then it is for Christians.

Yahchristian said:

Do you think any more of the Ten Commandments "were for Israel"?

In other words, do we have Nine Commandments or fewer?

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Why all of this focus on the Law of Moses?
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The legalism of keeping a sabbath does not please God because keeping the sabbath is not the whole of the Law. If you keep the sabbath and fail in the rest of the Law, then your keeping the sabbath is in vain.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Salvation and righteousness does not come by your work, but by the finished work of Lord Jesus on the cross, His resurrection from the dead, and His righteousness is what is imputed unto the born again believer.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

So keeping the sabbath does not earn brownie points with our Father. Lord Jesus leaves us with one new commandment.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

That is Lord Jesus speaking. Note, He did not say keep the sabbath and you shall be righteous before our Father. Nuff said.

Yahchristian said:

So how many of Israel's Ten Commandments are "binding on Christians"?

Do you think we have Nine Commandments or fewer?

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Check the new testament for yourself and let us know what conclusion you reach. You can pay special attention to the seventh day commandment if you like. See if you can find a command for Christians to keep the seventh day. If you can then tell us where it is.

Yahchristian said:

This thread concerns the question "How will the little horn change times and laws?"

I think changing man's laws is no big deal. It happens all the time. So that prophecy must be concerning changing God's laws.

I am showing that the Roman Catholic Church did not simply say the Ten Commandment were for Israel, instead they actually changed the Ten Commandments.

Here is one example...

God made this commandment...
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: (Exodus 20:8-10)

The Roman Catholic Church made this commandment...
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (Council of Laodicea Canon 29)

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Oh, I see. But what does it matter? Man, has corrupted all of our Father's Law. Man has corrupted even the natural law that our Father instituted in the beginning. THAT is why He sent Lord Jesus. Man in his carnality is totally corrupt. It is as it was in the days of Noah. We must have faith in the finished work of our Lord Jesus and not on the doctrines of men. But that is my opinion. I think I have already given my opinion on how the times will be changed.

GingerBeer said:

Amusing little story. Do you think that the Law of Moses was aimed at cats?

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One could only speculate, The grandpa dissapeared, the father, bless His brave soul was driven over on a very calm road by some stranger once when he was on His way home or to us. We buried Him, the neighbours allowed it, and decorated with flowers but some animal dig him up and ate him during the night. The cats were golden reddish and beautiful but our lady acts like a grumpy madam towards them all.

Roseonathorn said:

One could only speculate, The grandpa dissapeared, the father, bless His brave soul was driven over on a very calm road by some stranger once when he was on His way home or to us. We buried Him, the neighbours allowed it, and decorated with flowers but some animal dig him up and ate him during the night. The cats were golden reddish and beautiful but our lady acts like a grumpy madam towards them all.

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Thank you for the levity of your two cat posts.

Yahchristian said:

Yes, man's laws often go against God's laws.

But they don't claim that their new law is one of the Ten Commandments.

The Roman Catholic Church says their changed laws are the new Ten Commandments.

That is the difference.

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It is a problem inherent in all denominations, imho, not just the RCC.

Yahchristian said:

I didn't say the law was binding on Christians.

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Good. Are you of the view that the law is not binding on Christians?

If it is not then the Catholics could not have changed it since they are not under it.

I was told to read my bible and once I came across the sabbath commandment and learned it was Saturday, I was around 8 years or so. I asked why should we work on Sabbath? The respons was, If we do not work we do not eat. Saturdays was workdays and we grew a lot of vedgetables ourselves and sold them, the rest of the week was workdays too. Sunday was restday some day because then there was church. If church would have been on Saturday then work would have been on Sunday. And to further twist my brains dad said sabbath is for Jews and Sunday for Christians and then I replied so Christians should not follow Gods command. I still had to come for church, my mom only brushed my hair a bit harder and said the Bible was not aimed for the brood of Vikings that moved out of their countries. We were probably the unclean heathens from the north. We have to behave ourself and have really no place in a holy history. We get saved by grace. Years later I begin to look at some old familyphotos and not all of them looked like Vikings. If we break Gods commandments we ruin our lives in one way or another whether we are Jews, Christian, heathen or animal.

Yahchristian said:

I have shown you an example of how the Roman Catholic Church has changed the Ten Commandments.

Can you please post an example of what your are talking about.

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No, it is too exhaustive. I don't feel like it. But I got into a discussion with a person of one denomination his denomination does not require repentance, but Lord Jesus said repent or perish.