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The Coming of the Lord


Exactly WHAT does that mean to you? Consider this:


God can say HE LIVES THE LIFE FOR AND WITH EACH HUMAN INCARNATION SIMULTANEOUSLY. He is the only “LIVING ONE”! Life emanates from Him! He said, “I will dwell in then and walk in them”, 2 Corinthians 6:16. “In all our afflictions, He is afflicted”, Isaiah 63:6! And “whatever we do or do not do to any man, we do or do not do to Him” personally, Matthew 25:41-45. Furthermore it is written, “Thou hast wrought all our works in us”, Isaiah 26:12. That is because God is sharing His life with each child as He teaches us what life is all about. This is one GREAT SHOCK to demons! Whatever they did to any man, it was a personal assault on Father-God. This may be an ASTONISHING SHOCK to men, too. NO ONE CAN LIE TO GOD about anything. He is both a victim and a Witness to everything done to any and all men by both man and devil.


This being true, Father-God NEVER LEFT US AT ALL! He is with us all every step we take and every breath we breathe. You didn’t hear me, did you?! READ that sentence again with your eyes OPEN! And since He is already in us, what does “the coming of the Lord” refer to? What does, “Behold I stand at the door and knock” mean, when He is “IN YOU” living your life for you, as you? Jesus also said, “Lo I am with you always even to the end of the world”. What does Jesus mean by those Words? And what does “the coming of the son of man” really mean? It means “the spirit of man returns to God who gave it”, Ecclesiastes 12:7, and Luke 15:20-24. Actually that was a very fast answer. Before I could finish typing the question, the answer was in my head. This is possible because Father-God is my “HEAD”!


Ode of Solomon 1:1 The Lord is on my head like a crown, and I shall not be without Him. 2 They wove for me a crown of truth, and it caused thy branches to bud in me. 3 For it is not like a withered crown which buddeth not: but thou livest upon my head, and thou hast blossomed upon my head. 4 Thy fruits are full-grown and perfect, they are full of thy salvation.


Human beings have a problem. We cannot comprehend the depth and breadth of immortality. We cannot conceive mentally that invisible and visible things co-exist one with the other. Men assume that the “visible matter” is “real” and is all that counts. But a man is a two component being.


Secrets of Enoch 30:10 I conceived a cunning saying to say, I created man from invisible and from visible nature, of both are his death and life and image, the knows speech like some created thing, small in greatness 11 and again great in smallness, and I placed him on earth, a second angel, honourable, great 12 and glorious, and I appointed him as ruler to rule on earth and to have my wisdom, and there was none like him of earth of all my existing creatures.


God took a living spirit (invisible) offspring (1) and planted it in a (2) visible clay casement called a human body and locked His offspring in it with its light turned off. This became “man”. Man’s mental capacity is diminished even though the spirit offspring has the capacity to grasp Heavenly things at Father’s will. In the flesh we are called second angels (by God) in immature form. When we are more mature and our time on earth expires, Father draws us to Heaven to participate in STEP-TWO in Paradise, 2 Esdras 7:1-15, Romans 8:18-23. There He turns on our light and we shine like the sun! Matthew 13:43, Hebrews 12:22-24. This has always been the PLAN from the beginning.


We also live in two time zones. Men have great difficulty coming to grips with the “timelessness” of eternity in God, even though we live inside His Person. We are accustomed to time in 24-hour increments. But that is how time is measured in Satan’s prison-chamber. The constellations provide demons with a countdown clock as their stay of execution winds down to the scheduled moment of execution. God had a big surprise waiting on them. The real “time” of significance are His children, Genesis 1:14. One male/female pair is one day of “spirit time”. Devils will be imprisoned in the pit of hell until Father-God empties all the infant spirits from His “chamber of stars”, and all the children have been placed on earth in their designated generation. The LAST-DAY SON-SUN is the END OF TIME. The only way to tell his presence is by his publication of the everlasting gospel in which Father tells all the secrets and mysteries men have striven to learn ever since we came to this world. God gave us a clue to this man’s ID:


Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou (John, the last-day son-sun) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Father opens the SEALS ON THE BOOK for His lastborn son, named John. John is “the least” male person He removed from Mother Wisdom’s womb on the Great 4th Creation Day. He and his female twin have the two highest birth numbers among the children. Together (sun-moon) they are the “last day” realistically and spiritually.


Now let us consider what “the coming of the Lord” means in light of “TODAY’S” understanding. Father-God is always with us. “WE” exist as spirit “cell containers” of His LIFE! Down here on Earth, He teaches us what life is all about as He undergoes the same experiences each man receives daily. Go to the top of this page and review the first paragraph. What “the coming of the Lord” refers to is when Father awakens a child to teach him higher and greater things. God has come many times to many children in various generations to upgrade their thinking to higher levels. When “He comes”, He uses angelic teachers that we sometimes call guardian angels and “holy spirit” guides.


Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.


Do not be surprised if the voice is female!


Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars: 2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table. 3 She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city, 4 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, 5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled. 6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.


One task they have is to explain the Word and share their light with us. They are sent by Father-God and they share what He wants us to have. You can get the gist of this from Jesus’ “parable of the talents”. They help us increase our light by convincing us to accept true “light” other men possess and add it to out own repertoire. This is how one talent can become ten or more. When God comes to check on our growth-progress, those who have mastered what they have already will be given more. Understanding is like constructing a building. Bricks are cemented along the foundation one at a time, layer upon layer. Eventually the first floor will appear. This process will continue in that manner until all the planned levels are constructed. I like to think of the Holy City of Heaven (New Jerusalem) as Twelve Heavens or worlds, one on top of another like a twelve-story building. God has divided understanding of His Light and PLANS into many (scriptural) pieces like a jigsaw puzzle. He salted them down on earth in different generations and in different languages. If you want to SEE the full picture and UNDERSTAND what He is doing … He has to fit the Word-pieces (scriptures) together in their proper order. And ONLY FATHER-GOD knows the proper order of His Words for a correct and complete picture, Psalms 50:16-21.


You will also recall that Jesus said, “Lo, I am with you always even to the end of the world”. You might ask, “How can that be when he went up to the Throne”? Through Father-God, Jesus is with us too, because He and Father are “one”. Father did give him ALL POWER. They both can come and sup with you! John 14:23. He also knocks on the door of our minds as “thoughts that keep entering our minds to make us reason”, Isaiah 1:18. Their repetition is like a “knock”. When we ponder the reasoning and mull it over, we drop ideas that prove to be errors (darkness). We find a place in our thinking where the new light fits in, Proverbs 4:18. That way we get a clearer picture of truth and the will of God. Light will always cancel darkness, and what we believe will be modified for the better. Consider the “parable of the ten virgins”. That is what it means.


I know that we have imagined a WRONG PICTURE of what “the coming the Lord” means. I have seen the drawings men have painted and the photos in Bibles I have bought. Since both Father-God and Jesus are with us already, what do you suppose the “coming of the son of man” means? You will notice that “son” is spelled with a lower-case “s” compared with a capital “S”, a reference for Jesus. In Aramaic or Hebrew language there is no capital “S”. Redactors and translators did that in English language translations because they thought is referred to Jesus. The truth is, that quotation is really about the “sons of men”, who return to Heaven when Jesus calls them by their true name. In Heaven they are the “elements” of the Heavenly SON-SUN collective as we fill out our volume around the Throne. Everyday the BODY of the Heavenly SON grows wider and fuller as “the saints go marching in”. Jesus will not come down here. But we will go up there. You do remember the parable of the prodigal son, don’t you? The Father did not go down to the Earth to retrieve him, but He drew him upstairs to the Throne where He is. Consider also the direction in which the “sheet” traveled in Peter’s vision. After the voice told him for the 3rd time , “Do not call what God has cleansed common or unclean” the entire sheet with all those animals on it ASCENDED BACK (UP) TO HEAVEN WHERE IT CAME FROM! Acts 10:9-16, and 28. Also all the animals in Noah’s ark were saved! This also helps explain the animal reference in Peter’s vision. We know it means MEN with little or no understanding, Psalms 49:20. So that is what the “coming of the sons of men” refers to. Here is how Isaiah saw this:


Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.


Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD


The entire population of mankind will be removed from planet Earth suddenly (i.e., “animals on a sheet”). Most of them will ascend as “prodigal sons” to prepare to meet our Father. Fire will then rain down upon the bottomless pit and the earth to destroy both from God’s positive creations, Isaiah 24:1-3, 19-22, Isaiah 14:12, 21-22, Psalms 37:10.
 

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It means quite simply that Jesus will come again and that we will be with him either bewith him as he comes or will meet him once he is here.

What else will happen or in what order is guess work on our part. All that matters is that we will be with him or will meet him.
 
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The Coming of the Lord


Exactly WHAT does that mean to you? Consider this:


God can say HE LIVES THE LIFE FOR AND WITH EACH HUMAN INCARNATION SIMULTANEOUSLY. He is the only “LIVING ONE”! Life emanates from Him! He said, “I will dwell in then and walk in them”, 2 Corinthians 6:16. “In all our afflictions, He is afflicted”, Isaiah 63:6! And “whatever we do or do not do to any man, we do or do not do to Him” personally, Matthew 25:41-45. Furthermore it is written, “Thou hast wrought all our works in us”, Isaiah 26:12. That is because God is sharing His life with each child as He teaches us what life is all about. This is one GREAT SHOCK to demons! Whatever they did to any man, it was a personal assault on Father-God. This may be an ASTONISHING SHOCK to men, too. NO ONE CAN LIE TO GOD about anything. He is both a victim and a Witness to everything done to any and all men by both man and devil.


This being true, Father-God NEVER LEFT US AT ALL! He is with us all every step we take and every breath we breathe. You didn’t hear me, did you?! READ that sentence again with your eyes OPEN! And since He is already in us, what does “the coming of the Lord” refer to? What does, “Behold I stand at the door and knock” mean, when He is “IN YOU” living your life for you, as you? Jesus also said, “Lo I am with you always even to the end of the world”. What does Jesus mean by those Words? And what does “the coming of the son of man” really mean? It means “the spirit of man returns to God who gave it”, Ecclesiastes 12:7, and Luke 15:20-24. Actually that was a very fast answer. Before I could finish typing the question, the answer was in my head. This is possible because Father-God is my “HEAD”!


Ode of Solomon 1:1 The Lord is on my head like a crown, and I shall not be without Him. 2 They wove for me a crown of truth, and it caused thy branches to bud in me. 3 For it is not like a withered crown which buddeth not: but thou livest upon my head, and thou hast blossomed upon my head. 4 Thy fruits are full-grown and perfect, they are full of thy salvation.


Human beings have a problem. We cannot comprehend the depth and breadth of immortality. We cannot conceive mentally that invisible and visible things co-exist one with the other. Men assume that the “visible matter” is “real” and is all that counts. But a man is a two component being.


Secrets of Enoch 30:10 I conceived a cunning saying to say, I created man from invisible and from visible nature, of both are his death and life and image, the knows speech like some created thing, small in greatness 11 and again great in smallness, and I placed him on earth, a second angel, honourable, great 12 and glorious, and I appointed him as ruler to rule on earth and to have my wisdom, and there was none like him of earth of all my existing creatures.


God took a living spirit (invisible) offspring (1) and planted it in a (2) visible clay casement called a human body and locked His offspring in it with its light turned off. This became “man”. Man’s mental capacity is diminished even though the spirit offspring has the capacity to grasp Heavenly things at Father’s will. In the flesh we are called second angels (by God) in immature form. When we are more mature and our time on earth expires, Father draws us to Heaven to participate in STEP-TWO in Paradise, 2 Esdras 7:1-15, Romans 8:18-23. There He turns on our light and we shine like the sun! Matthew 13:43, Hebrews 12:22-24. This has always been the PLAN from the beginning.


We also live in two time zones. Men have great difficulty coming to grips with the “timelessness” of eternity in God, even though we live inside His Person. We are accustomed to time in 24-hour increments. But that is how time is measured in Satan’s prison-chamber. The constellations provide demons with a countdown clock as their stay of execution winds down to the scheduled moment of execution. God had a big surprise waiting on them. The real “time” of significance are His children, Genesis 1:14. One male/female pair is one day of “spirit time”. Devils will be imprisoned in the pit of hell until Father-God empties all the infant spirits from His “chamber of stars”, and all the children have been placed on earth in their designated generation. The LAST-DAY SON-SUN is the END OF TIME. The only way to tell his presence is by his publication of the everlasting gospel in which Father tells all the secrets and mysteries men have striven to learn ever since we came to this world. God gave us a clue to this man’s ID:


Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou (John, the last-day son-sun) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Father opens the SEALS ON THE BOOK for His lastborn son, named John. John is “the least” male person He removed from Mother Wisdom’s womb on the Great 4th Creation Day. He and his female twin have the two highest birth numbers among the children. Together (sun-moon) they are the “last day” realistically and spiritually.


Now let us consider what “the coming of the Lord” means in light of “TODAY’S” understanding. Father-God is always with us. “WE” exist as spirit “cell containers” of His LIFE! Down here on Earth, He teaches us what life is all about as He undergoes the same experiences each man receives daily. Go to the top of this page and review the first paragraph. What “the coming of the Lord” refers to is when Father awakens a child to teach him higher and greater things. God has come many times to many children in various generations to upgrade their thinking to higher levels. When “He comes”, He uses angelic teachers that we sometimes call guardian angels and “holy spirit” guides.


Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.


Do not be surprised if the voice is female!


Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars: 2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table. 3 She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city, 4 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, 5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled. 6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.


One task they have is to explain the Word and share their light with us. They are sent by Father-God and they share what He wants us to have. You can get the gist of this from Jesus’ “parable of the talents”. They help us increase our light by convincing us to accept true “light” other men possess and add it to out own repertoire. This is how one talent can become ten or more. When God comes to check on our growth-progress, those who have mastered what they have already will be given more. Understanding is like constructing a building. Bricks are cemented along the foundation one at a time, layer upon layer. Eventually the first floor will appear. This process will continue in that manner until all the planned levels are constructed. I like to think of the Holy City of Heaven (New Jerusalem) as Twelve Heavens or worlds, one on top of another like a twelve-story building. God has divided understanding of His Light and PLANS into many (scriptural) pieces like a jigsaw puzzle. He salted them down on earth in different generations and in different languages. If you want to SEE the full picture and UNDERSTAND what He is doing … He has to fit the Word-pieces (scriptures) together in their proper order. And ONLY FATHER-GOD knows the proper order of His Words for a correct and complete picture, Psalms 50:16-21.


You will also recall that Jesus said, “Lo, I am with you always even to the end of the world”. You might ask, “How can that be when he went up to the Throne”? Through Father-God, Jesus is with us too, because He and Father are “one”. Father did give him ALL POWER. They both can come and sup with you! John 14:23. He also knocks on the door of our minds as “thoughts that keep entering our minds to make us reason”, Isaiah 1:18. Their repetition is like a “knock”. When we ponder the reasoning and mull it over, we drop ideas that prove to be errors (darkness). We find a place in our thinking where the new light fits in, Proverbs 4:18. That way we get a clearer picture of truth and the will of God. Light will always cancel darkness, and what we believe will be modified for the better. Consider the “parable of the ten virgins”. That is what it means.


I know that we have imagined a WRONG PICTURE of what “the coming the Lord” means. I have seen the drawings men have painted and the photos in Bibles I have bought. Since both Father-God and Jesus are with us already, what do you suppose the “coming of the son of man” means? You will notice that “son” is spelled with a lower-case “s” compared with a capital “S”, a reference for Jesus. In Aramaic or Hebrew language there is no capital “S”. Redactors and translators did that in English language translations because they thought is referred to Jesus. The truth is, that quotation is really about the “sons of men”, who return to Heaven when Jesus calls them by their true name. In Heaven they are the “elements” of the Heavenly SON-SUN collective as we fill out our volume around the Throne. Everyday the BODY of the Heavenly SON grows wider and fuller as “the saints go marching in”. Jesus will not come down here. But we will go up there. You do remember the parable of the prodigal son, don’t you? The Father did not go down to the Earth to retrieve him, but He drew him upstairs to the Throne where He is. Consider also the direction in which the “sheet” traveled in Peter’s vision. After the voice told him for the 3rd time , “Do not call what God has cleansed common or unclean” the entire sheet with all those animals on it ASCENDED BACK (UP) TO HEAVEN WHERE IT CAME FROM! Acts 10:9-16, and 28. Also all the animals in Noah’s ark were saved! This also helps explain the animal reference in Peter’s vision. We know it means MEN with little or no understanding, Psalms 49:20. So that is what the “coming of the sons of men” refers to. Here is how Isaiah saw this:


Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.


Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD


The entire population of mankind will be removed from planet Earth suddenly (i.e., “animals on a sheet”). Most of them will ascend as “prodigal sons” to prepare to meet our Father. Fire will then rain down upon the bottomless pit and the earth to destroy both from God’s positive creations, Isaiah 24:1-3, 19-22, Isaiah 14:12, 21-22, Psalms 37:10.

The coming of the son of man is the same thing as the coming of God's kingdom and it happened during the disciples' life time. The following 3 verses are parallel accounts.

Matthew 16:28
28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

Mark 9:1
1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

Luke 9:27
But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Jesus also tells his disciples the son of man would come in their generation in Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes.

Jesus also tells Caiaphas that he would see the son of man coming in Matthew 26:64
64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.

In each of the parallel accounts of the Olivette discourse Jesus tells his audience that their generation will not pass away before the previous things Jesus talked about would occur (temple destruction, persecution, coming of the son of man)
 
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The coming of the son of man is the same thing as the coming of God's kingdom and it happened during the disciples' life time. The following 3 verses are parallel accounts.

Matthew 16:28
28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

Mark 9:1
1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

Luke 9:27
But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”

Jesus also tells his disciples the son of man would come in their generation in Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes.

Jesus also tells Caiaphas that he would see the son of man coming in Matthew 26:64
64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.

In each of the parallel accounts of the Olivette discourse Jesus tells his audience that their generation will not pass away before the previous things Jesus talked about would occur (temple destruction, persecution, coming of the son of man)
2 Thessalonians 2 teaches about the coming of the Lord.
And no the Lord has not come yet.

In truth there is a warning about those who teach the coming of the son of man is past.

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first
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and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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The Coming of the Lord


Exactly WHAT does that mean to you? Consider this:


God can say HE LIVES THE LIFE FOR AND WITH EACH HUMAN INCARNATION SIMULTANEOUSLY. He is the only “LIVING ONE”! Life emanates from Him! He said, “I will dwell in then and walk in them”, 2 Corinthians 6:16. “In all our afflictions, He is afflicted”, Isaiah 63:6! And “whatever we do or do not do to any man, we do or do not do to Him” personally, Matthew 25:41-45. Furthermore it is written, “Thou hast wrought all our works in us”, Isaiah 26:12. That is because God is sharing His life with each child as He teaches us what life is all about. This is one GREAT SHOCK to demons! Whatever they did to any man, it was a personal assault on Father-God. This may be an ASTONISHING SHOCK to men, too. NO ONE CAN LIE TO GOD about anything. He is both a victim and a Witness to everything done to any and all men by both man and devil.


This being true, Father-God NEVER LEFT US AT ALL! He is with us all every step we take and every breath we breathe. You didn’t hear me, did you?! READ that sentence again with your eyes OPEN! And since He is already in us, what does “the coming of the Lord” refer to? What does, “Behold I stand at the door and knock” mean, when He is “IN YOU” living your life for you, as you? Jesus also said, “Lo I am with you always even to the end of the world”. What does Jesus mean by those Words? And what does “the coming of the son of man” really mean? It means “the spirit of man returns to God who gave it”, Ecclesiastes 12:7, and Luke 15:20-24. Actually that was a very fast answer. Before I could finish typing the question, the answer was in my head. This is possible because Father-God is my “HEAD”!


Ode of Solomon 1:1 The Lord is on my head like a crown, and I shall not be without Him. 2 They wove for me a crown of truth, and it caused thy branches to bud in me. 3 For it is not like a withered crown which buddeth not: but thou livest upon my head, and thou hast blossomed upon my head. 4 Thy fruits are full-grown and perfect, they are full of thy salvation.


Human beings have a problem. We cannot comprehend the depth and breadth of immortality. We cannot conceive mentally that invisible and visible things co-exist one with the other. Men assume that the “visible matter” is “real” and is all that counts. But a man is a two component being.


Secrets of Enoch 30:10 I conceived a cunning saying to say, I created man from invisible and from visible nature, of both are his death and life and image, the knows speech like some created thing, small in greatness 11 and again great in smallness, and I placed him on earth, a second angel, honourable, great 12 and glorious, and I appointed him as ruler to rule on earth and to have my wisdom, and there was none like him of earth of all my existing creatures.


God took a living spirit (invisible) offspring (1) and planted it in a (2) visible clay casement called a human body and locked His offspring in it with its light turned off. This became “man”. Man’s mental capacity is diminished even though the spirit offspring has the capacity to grasp Heavenly things at Father’s will. In the flesh we are called second angels (by God) in immature form. When we are more mature and our time on earth expires, Father draws us to Heaven to participate in STEP-TWO in Paradise, 2 Esdras 7:1-15, Romans 8:18-23. There He turns on our light and we shine like the sun! Matthew 13:43, Hebrews 12:22-24. This has always been the PLAN from the beginning.


We also live in two time zones. Men have great difficulty coming to grips with the “timelessness” of eternity in God, even though we live inside His Person. We are accustomed to time in 24-hour increments. But that is how time is measured in Satan’s prison-chamber. The constellations provide demons with a countdown clock as their stay of execution winds down to the scheduled moment of execution. God had a big surprise waiting on them. The real “time” of significance are His children, Genesis 1:14. One male/female pair is one day of “spirit time”. Devils will be imprisoned in the pit of hell until Father-God empties all the infant spirits from His “chamber of stars”, and all the children have been placed on earth in their designated generation. The LAST-DAY SON-SUN is the END OF TIME. The only way to tell his presence is by his publication of the everlasting gospel in which Father tells all the secrets and mysteries men have striven to learn ever since we came to this world. God gave us a clue to this man’s ID:


Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou (John, the last-day son-sun) must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.


Father opens the SEALS ON THE BOOK for His lastborn son, named John. John is “the least” male person He removed from Mother Wisdom’s womb on the Great 4th Creation Day. He and his female twin have the two highest birth numbers among the children. Together (sun-moon) they are the “last day” realistically and spiritually.


Now let us consider what “the coming of the Lord” means in light of “TODAY’S” understanding. Father-God is always with us. “WE” exist as spirit “cell containers” of His LIFE! Down here on Earth, He teaches us what life is all about as He undergoes the same experiences each man receives daily. Go to the top of this page and review the first paragraph. What “the coming of the Lord” refers to is when Father awakens a child to teach him higher and greater things. God has come many times to many children in various generations to upgrade their thinking to higher levels. When “He comes”, He uses angelic teachers that we sometimes call guardian angels and “holy spirit” guides.


Isaiah 30:21 And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.


Do not be surprised if the voice is female!


Proverbs 9:1 Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars: 2 She hath killed her beasts; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table. 3 She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city, 4 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him, 5 Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled. 6 Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.


One task they have is to explain the Word and share their light with us. They are sent by Father-God and they share what He wants us to have. You can get the gist of this from Jesus’ “parable of the talents”. They help us increase our light by convincing us to accept true “light” other men possess and add it to out own repertoire. This is how one talent can become ten or more. When God comes to check on our growth-progress, those who have mastered what they have already will be given more. Understanding is like constructing a building. Bricks are cemented along the foundation one at a time, layer upon layer. Eventually the first floor will appear. This process will continue in that manner until all the planned levels are constructed. I like to think of the Holy City of Heaven (New Jerusalem) as Twelve Heavens or worlds, one on top of another like a twelve-story building. God has divided understanding of His Light and PLANS into many (scriptural) pieces like a jigsaw puzzle. He salted them down on earth in different generations and in different languages. If you want to SEE the full picture and UNDERSTAND what He is doing … He has to fit the Word-pieces (scriptures) together in their proper order. And ONLY FATHER-GOD knows the proper order of His Words for a correct and complete picture, Psalms 50:16-21.


You will also recall that Jesus said, “Lo, I am with you always even to the end of the world”. You might ask, “How can that be when he went up to the Throne”? Through Father-God, Jesus is with us too, because He and Father are “one”. Father did give him ALL POWER. They both can come and sup with you! John 14:23. He also knocks on the door of our minds as “thoughts that keep entering our minds to make us reason”, Isaiah 1:18. Their repetition is like a “knock”. When we ponder the reasoning and mull it over, we drop ideas that prove to be errors (darkness). We find a place in our thinking where the new light fits in, Proverbs 4:18. That way we get a clearer picture of truth and the will of God. Light will always cancel darkness, and what we believe will be modified for the better. Consider the “parable of the ten virgins”. That is what it means.


I know that we have imagined a WRONG PICTURE of what “the coming the Lord” means. I have seen the drawings men have painted and the photos in Bibles I have bought. Since both Father-God and Jesus are with us already, what do you suppose the “coming of the son of man” means? You will notice that “son” is spelled with a lower-case “s” compared with a capital “S”, a reference for Jesus. In Aramaic or Hebrew language there is no capital “S”. Redactors and translators did that in English language translations because they thought is referred to Jesus. The truth is, that quotation is really about the “sons of men”, who return to Heaven when Jesus calls them by their true name. In Heaven they are the “elements” of the Heavenly SON-SUN collective as we fill out our volume around the Throne. Everyday the BODY of the Heavenly SON grows wider and fuller as “the saints go marching in”. Jesus will not come down here. But we will go up there. You do remember the parable of the prodigal son, don’t you? The Father did not go down to the Earth to retrieve him, but He drew him upstairs to the Throne where He is. Consider also the direction in which the “sheet” traveled in Peter’s vision. After the voice told him for the 3rd time , “Do not call what God has cleansed common or unclean” the entire sheet with all those animals on it ASCENDED BACK (UP) TO HEAVEN WHERE IT CAME FROM! Acts 10:9-16, and 28. Also all the animals in Noah’s ark were saved! This also helps explain the animal reference in Peter’s vision. We know it means MEN with little or no understanding, Psalms 49:20. So that is what the “coming of the sons of men” refers to. Here is how Isaiah saw this:


Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. 2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. 4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side. 5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee. 6 The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD. 7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.


Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD. 21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD. 22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD


The entire population of mankind will be removed from planet Earth suddenly (i.e., “animals on a sheet”). Most of them will ascend as “prodigal sons” to prepare to meet our Father. Fire will then rain down upon the bottomless pit and the earth to destroy both from God’s positive creations, Isaiah 24:1-3, 19-22, Isaiah 14:12, 21-22, Psalms 37:10.

My answer to you is why would the church of the gentiles addressed here, why would Paul exclaim to them:
1 Corinthians 16:22
If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O Lord, come!

If He had already come.
 
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2 Thessalonians 2 teaches about the coming of the Lord.
And no the Lord has not come yet.

In truth there is a warning about those who teach the coming of the son of man is past.

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first
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and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yes, the day of the Lord was future to the Thessalonians during the time period that Paul wrote this. However, it was close, as Paul said "2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. "

The passage you provided is interesting in that the Thessalonians already thought the day of the Lord came. Why would they think that if Christ was supposed to literally descended from heaven with his army for every man woman and child to see? Certainly they should have seen something. Why would so many of the followers of Christ think that He was going to come soon (very soon, not 2000+ years later)? Maybe it's because Jesus himself told his disciples that some would not die until they see the coming of the son of man.
 
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Yes, the day of the Lord was future to the Thessalonians during the time period that Paul wrote this. However, it was close, as Paul said "2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. "

The passage you provided is interesting in that the Thessalonians already thought the day of the Lord came. Why would they think that if Christ was supposed to literally descended from heaven with his army for every man woman and child to see? Certainly they should have seen something. Why would so many of the followers of Christ think that He was going to come soon (very soon, not 2000+ years later)? Maybe it's because Jesus himself told his disciples that some would not die until they see the coming of the son of man.

Because of false teachers who were troubling the church did Paul write this warning.
Paul warns them the day of the Lord, the coming of the Lord has not yet come.
That very specific events had to happen, ending with the dramatic return of Christ which is the coming of the Lord, the Day of the Lord.
And in another letter, Paul warns that some are teaching the resurrection is past.
 
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Because of false teachers who were troubling the church did Paul write this warning.
Paul warns them the day of the Lord, the coming of the Lord has not yet come.
That very specific events had to happen, ending with the dramatic return of Christ which is the coming of the Lord, the Day of the Lord.
And in another letter, Paul warns that some are teaching the resurrection is past.

According to Paul, 2 things must happen first: 1.) a rebellion 2.) man the lawlessness.
the rebellion started in 66AD and ended horribly for Israel in 70AD. Man of lawlessness is what causes destruction of Temple, which happened in 70AD.

Again why would Jesus tell his followers that this generation will not pass away until all these things (temple destruction, persecution, and coming of the son of man) occur?
 
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According to Paul, 2 things must happen first: 1.) a rebellion 2.) man the lawlessness.
the rebellion started in 66AD and ended horribly for Israel in 70AD. Man of lawlessness is what causes destruction of Temple, which happened in 70AD.

Again why would Jesus tell his followers that this generation will not pass away until all these things (temple destruction, persecution, and coming of the son of man) occur?
I think the wording 'this' trips people up.
Christ is referring-talking to this generation being the one the experiences the tribulation period.
This generation, the one He is talking about not our generation as in His current generation.
 
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According to Paul, 2 things must happen first: 1.) a rebellion 2.) man the lawlessness.
the rebellion started in 66AD and ended horribly for Israel in 70AD. Man of lawlessness is what causes destruction of Temple, which happened in 70AD.

Again why would Jesus tell his followers that this generation will not pass away until all these things (temple destruction, persecution, and coming of the son of man) occur?
Genesis Chapter 1 (KJV)
the word 'this', can be used as 'the same', or 'they' so then the same one He is referring to still to come in the future, not the contemporary generation they are living in. So then them, those, they who experience those things.

The KJV translates Strong's G3778 in the following manner: this (157x), these (59x), he (31x), the same (28x), this man (25x), she (12x), they (10x), miscellaneous (34x).

The same word οὗτος is used in this verse
Mat 4:3
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these G3778 stones be made bread.
 
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Perhaps imagine it this way. Before the Lord and yourself are laid all the generations end to end beginning to ending generation. And the Lord takes His finger and points to one in the timeline and says this generation here in the list, the one I am pointing at, singling it out from the others, is the one I am speaking about.
 
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I think the wording 'this' trips people up.
Christ is referring-talking to this generation being the one the experiences the tribulation period.
This generation, the one He is talking about not our generation as in His current generation.

I would disagree with this. The temple was destroyed during Jesus' audience generation, the disciples were persecuted, There are recorded earthquakes and famines during this time.
Jesus also tell the disciples in matthew 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

In the previous chapter Matthew 23:36 that judgment would come upon this generation=the Pharisees and scribes generation. Not a future one.
 
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Perhaps imagine it this way. Before the Lord and yourself are laid all the generations end to end beginning to ending generation. And the Lord takes His finger and points to one in the timeline and says this generation here in the list, the one I am pointing at, singling it out from the others, is the one I am speaking about.

But that is not what happened. His disciples asked when would this be (temple destruction) and what would be its sign? how would this help the disciples?
 
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But that is not what happened. His disciples asked when would this be (temple destruction) and what would be its sign? how would this help the disciples?
They asked more than that!
They asked a compound question, three parts to the question.

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,

“Tell us, when will these things be? Temple destruction
Which in actuality, all the stones were thrown down by the Romans and that temple was not rebuilt.

And what will be the sign of Your coming, His second advent.
Matthew 25:31-32New King James Version (NKJV)
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

and of the end of the age?” Referring to the coming future age of the resurrection, we are not yet in that age. They are asking about the transition from the current age to the next age. We must still be in the same age as them , since people still get married...
Luke 20:34-36New King James Version (NKJV)
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
 
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Jesus in Matthew 24 refers to the abomination of desolation in Daniel 12.
Matthew 24
The Great Tribulation
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

Now at the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, were the people delivered or destroyed....Did they all awake from the grave? No this is for the time of the end and has not yet occurred..

Daniel 12New King James Version (NKJV)
Prophecy of the End Time
1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.


11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

The 'end of the days' would be the 'end of the age' that the disciples desired to know about.
 
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They asked more than that!
They asked a compound question, three parts to the question.

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,

“Tell us, when will these things be? Temple destruction
Which in actuality, all the stones were thrown down by the Romans and that temple was not rebuilt.

And what will be the sign of Your coming, His second advent.
Matthew 25:31-32New King James Version (NKJV)
The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

and of the end of the age?” Referring to the coming future age of the resurrection, we are not yet in that age. They are asking about the transition from the current age to the next age. We must still be in the same age as them , since people still get married...
Luke 20:34-36New King James Version (NKJV)
34 Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

When the same stories are in each of the 3 synoptic gospels, we need to take a look at all 3 to understand the question being asked by the disciples.

Luke 21:7 And they asked him, “Teacher, when will this be, and what will be the sign when this is about to take place?”

Mark 13:4 “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign when these things are all to be accomplished?”


Matthew 24:3 “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?”

The second part of the question in Matthew 24:3 means the same thing as the second part of the question in luke and mark. The sign when this (temple destruction) takes place/accomplished is the same sign as the coming of the son of man/close of the age. These are not separate events.

We also know that Christ died for our sins at the full end of the ages hebrews 9:26.
 
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15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand),

Now at the destruction of the Temple in 70AD, were the people delivered or destroyed....Did they all awake from the grave? No this is for the time of the end and has not yet occurred..

Luke 21:20-21 tells us the desolation is near when the armies surround Jerusalem. He also tells his disciples to flea when they see this happening.

This happened during the Jewish roman war. Jerusalem was sieged (surrounded) and many christians escaped and fled to a town called pella.

Daniel 12New King James Version (NKJV)
Prophecy of the End Time
1 “At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise shall shine
Like the brightness of the firmament,
And those who turn many to righteousness
Like the stars forever and ever.

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

5 Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?

7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?

9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.


11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

The 'end of the days' would be the 'end of the age' that the disciples desired to know about.

Look at verse 7: all these things will be accomplished with with the scattering of the power of the holy people. Israel was scattered after the Jewish Roman war.
 
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Luke 21:20-21 tells us the desolation is near when the armies surround Jerusalem. He also tells his disciples to flea when they see this happening.

This happened during the Jewish roman war. Jerusalem was sieged (surrounded) and many christians escaped and fled to a town called pella.



Look at verse 7: all these things will be accomplished with with the scattering of the power of the holy people. Israel was scattered after the Jewish Roman war.
Sure, but they were not the 'holy people'
They did not believe in Christ, and were not sanctified by faith in Him were they.
 
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Daniel 7 tells us who the holy people are, they are His saints, so then Christians and it is they whom are under satanic attack with the 'antichrist' little horn prevailing against the Christians so there power is broken for a short time till the judgement is set and the kingdom is given to the saints of God in Christ.


21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.

23 “Thus he said:

‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.

Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.


26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.

His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’


28 “This is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”

The meek Jesus said will inherit the earth, note v27.
For a time, times and half a time, also is referred to in Revelations, which is most certainly also about the saints in Christ who are suffering persecutions during the reign of antichrist for a time, times and half a time..But the woman spoken of here is protected from antichrist persecutions, separated from the sway of the serpent.

Revelation 12:14
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The offspring of the woman are the SAINTS, the Holy People of God.
 
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Revelation 11:2New King James Version (NKJV)
2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months.

Daniel 7 v25, the times are the 42 months, 3.5 years where the saints of Christ suffer a revealed antichrist's persecution.

25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

42 months.
 
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