Melchizedek was not Shem.

Frogster said:

Did Shem really not have an end of life?

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I think that passage is a good description of Shem.

In Abraham's day, Shem would have been the only person born before the flood, and he managed to live 400+ years longer than anyone else at the time.

According to Bible chronology, Shem was alive when Isaac was born.

Yahchristian said:

I think that passage is a good description of Shem.

In Abraham's day, Shem would have been the only person born before the flood, and he managed to live 400+ years longer than anyone else at the time.

According to Bible chronology, Shem was alive when Isaac was born.

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According to proper Biblical chronology Shem died before the Flood. Did you watch

Soulace said:

According to proper Biblical chronology Shem died before the Flood. Did you watch...

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Did you read Genesis 7:13 or Genesis 11:10...

"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

"These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:"

Apologies - blonde moment - Shem died before Abraham. Refer to video.

Yahchristian said:

Did you read Genesis 7:13 or Genesis 11:10...

"In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;"

"These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:"

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Apologies - blonde moment - Shem died before Abraham. Refer to video.

Soulace said:

Apologies - blonde moment - Shem died before Abraham. Refer to video.

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Forget the video, refer to Scripture instead...

Genesis 11:11... And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

So when Arphaxad was born, Shem had 500 years left to live.

Genesis 11:12... And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

So when Salah was born, Shem had 465 years left to live (500 - 35).

Genesis 11:14... And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

So when Eber was born, Shem had 435 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30).

Genesis 11:16... And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

So when Peleg was born, Shem had 401 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34).

Genesis 11:18... And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

So when Reu was born, Shem had 371 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30).

Genesis 11:20... And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

So when Serug was born, Shem had 339 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32).

Genesis 11:22... And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

So when Nahor was born, Shem had 309 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30).

Genesis 11:24... And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

So when Terah was born, Shem had 280 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29).

Genesis 11:26... And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

So when Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran, Shem had 210 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29 - 70).

(Note: I agree with most scholars that verse does not mean that Terah had triplets. Rather, that is when he began to have those sons.)

What it does mean is, according to Scripture...

Unless Terah (Abraham's father) was OVER 280 years old when Abraham was born...

Shem was alive when Abraham was born (and even when Isaac was born).

Here is a Bible Chronology from Creation to the Battle of Qarqar along with the Scripture references.

Yahchristian said:

Forget the video, refer to Scripture instead...

Genesis 11:11... And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

So when Arphaxad was born, Shem had 500 years left to live.

Genesis 11:12... And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

So when Salah was born, Shem had 465 years left to live (500 - 35).

Genesis 11:14... And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

So when Eber was born, Shem had 435 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30).

Genesis 11:16... And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

So when Peleg was born, Shem had 401 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34).

Genesis 11:18... And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

So when Reu was born, Shem had 371 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30).

Genesis 11:20... And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

So when Serug was born, Shem had 339 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32).

Genesis 11:22... And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

So when Nahor was born, Shem had 309 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30).

Genesis 11:24... And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

So when Terah was born, Shem had 280 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29).

Genesis 11:26... And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

So when Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran, Shem had 210 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29 - 70).

(Note: I agree with most scholars that verse does not mean that Terah had triplets. Rather, that is when he began to have those sons.)

What it does mean is, according to Scripture...

Unless Terah (Abraham's father) was OVER 280 years old when Abraham was born...

Shem was alive when Abraham was born (and even when Isaac was born).

Here is a Bible Chronology from Creation to the Battle of Qarqar along with the Scripture references.

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How can you say "forget the video" when information presented in it shows with three witnesses that older Hebrew Scriptures had different ages for immediate post Flood Patriarchs from Shem to Abraham?

Soulace said:

How can you say "forget the video" when information presented in it shows with three witnesses that older Hebrew Scriptures had different ages for immediate post Flood Patriarchs from Shem to Abraham?

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If we cannot agree on using the Bible as the source of truth, we really can't have a constructive discussion.


For others viewing this forum, the following Bible passages show that Shem would have been alive when Isaac was born...

Genesis 11:11... And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.

So when Arphaxad was born, Shem had 500 years left to live.

Genesis 11:12... And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:

So when Salah was born, Shem had 465 years left to live (500 - 35).

Genesis 11:14... And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:

So when Eber was born, Shem had 435 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30).

Genesis 11:16... And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:

So when Peleg was born, Shem had 401 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34).

Genesis 11:18... And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:

So when Reu was born, Shem had 371 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30).

Genesis 11:20... And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:

So when Serug was born, Shem had 339 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32).

Genesis 11:22... And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:

So when Nahor was born, Shem had 309 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30).

Genesis 11:24... And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:

So when Terah was born, Shem had 280 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29).

Genesis 11:26... And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.

So when Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran, Shem had 210 years left to live (500 - 35 - 30 - 34 - 30 - 32 - 30 - 29 - 70).

(Note: I agree with most scholars that verse does not mean that Terah had triplets. Rather, that is when he began to have those sons.)

What it does mean is, according to Scripture...

Unless Terah (Abraham's father) was OVER 280 years old when Abraham was born...

Shem was alive when Abraham was born (and even when Isaac was born).

Here is a Bible Chronology from Creation to the Battle of Qarqar along with the Scripture references.