Discussion Truth is Truth

Oh I'm the proverbial dog with a bone
But I can't not speak to equip others.
In the remembrance of farines amazing testimony of healing, the term“annointed to heal“ was used.

Allow me instruction on this dicey terminology.
Not to badger away at the topic .
But to equip the saints to the work of the Gospel .
Because an imbalanced concept causes us to walk wobbly and with unsure steps.

There are not different special annointings for different things .this is a very charismatic taught thing but its not scripturally based. it is emotionally based ,a carnal mindset taught us by those whose reasons I Wil not go into now.
The word annointed is interchangable with the word “appointed“
Ie David was anointed king.
He did not need any other anointing to
Begin to learn and walk in that apointed postion.it was Done.✔

We are annointed with the One same Holy Spirit .(if we have received the Holy Spirit as evidenced by tongues) .once he is in us we are given the authority to learn and Do All the Lord Jesus did and does.

The concept that we must seek some special annointing and something will magically happen one day some time..and we do nothing but hide in the prayer closet is much like the parable of the talents and the wicked servant who hid .
He did not multiply because he was afraid ...
Perhaps he waited for some special event that would catapult him into the ACTION that is faith.

Farine testifies of stepping into this true faith. By simply Doing a thing based upon the belief that Jesus is truth .
And it resulted in fruits of healing.
Which powerfully can lead to fruits of full salvation .the multiplication of disciples .for fruit IS multiplication.

A tree can have many branches and the branches can be filled with leaf and be very noisey in a wind ..it can have flower and blossom and much pretty insights..but if it does not bare fruit.if it does not being forth a multiplication of the tree in which that branch is grafted..it will be cut off and cast into the fire. .this is made implicitly clear.

Once we have have believed the Gospel
Its application to our salvation
Begins with obedience ...repent,be baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit (not one and the same event) but 3 events (and can happen in the same hour one believes)

It is then maintained by our obedience,worked in us by our obedience and perfected through our obedience... Just as it was with our Lord...we are not greater.

So in the end there are those who await some magical anointing all the while maintaining disobedience through unbelief ..who perish in the desert.
And those who ,because they Do believe ..obey and its These who GET the promises ...
Dont fall for this false comforting doctrine that there are special anointings for differing things or people.
God is not a respector of persons.
He simply works through the willing obedience of repentant people.
The apostles Never taught special anointing nor did they practice it.

Now I know the objections that invariably arise when I share this.because I once lived by those objections..
But in that mindset I saw Nothing of the Power of God.
Just a cycle of warm fuzzy goose bumps
And gold dust .fanciful ideas that resulted in exactly ZERO people healed delivered or saved.

But I'm happy to answer to those objections and explain them - but feel free to PM me in that regard.

Farine said:

I THINK I understand this one-- and maybe I flatter myself. There have been quite a few past topics on this discussion that deal with self and self's preoccupation with making choices and usurping identity.

If Gideon was writing- I think he is taking a break-- he would write you a book in response. It is his favorite topic.

Can self deny self?? I don't know. What do you believe?

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I could neatly be tied up in one sentence ... Can God deny himself? If he did, it would be an endless wandering to him as it is to us.

You cannot declare you are the beginning and the end without being that (one truth, one God, one son, an only begotten son).

Self is an a absolute that our souls gives us to eat of, but this absolute comes (in scripture) in a form of a seed ... its a becareful how you hear, or what you let get planted in your garden, because if it is not your own, it will serve you by causing you to wander until it has ran it's course in you.

I have read Gideon's exposes, he does love the subject, it is a favorite of mine because it leads me to all my other favorites, we are divided at the cross, only to be put back together as one.

Farine said:

This post intrigued me. I am going to chew on this awhile. My request as I ponder is that you quote this post and add some examples... would you mind doing that for me?? It would cut my pondering time at least in half!! Woo!

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A little more, but still a reader’s digest version (but this pales as a comparison) … the book is really one narrative of one son; our soul when not enclosed divides everything … (Solomon’s two woman, but one son)

The thoughtless moment you become like a little child, is the equivalent (in the language of God), of an eye that is single, or to sell all you have to buy a field, or the search for one piece of silver out of ten, or one sheep out of hundred (which is as collective as it is individual), or to lose your soul, it becomes a like a door in us to something inward that is reflected in those things that surround us daily, but as the language of God it is without end, being that it draws you to him, and to see him in everything, in relationship to who you are as a truth only he reveals through the process found in the first garden, which is multiplied as a ten thousand, times ten thousand thousands in the form of thought, or a wisdom, knowledge, and understanding (which becomes a way of seeing everyone, and everyone in you, in relationship to this process of becoming the son that you are (no gender implied).

Jesus as our walk is prophetic, so it shows truths that were before the world was, playing out before us in way that is seed form to us at first (the seed, the blade, the harvest is a process that is in everything until everything emulates in a way that seed time and harvest become the same truth in us, or a truth of consciousness, how the knowledge of a forbidden tree yields it’s fruit without ever having to touch it) which is more akin to seeing, or hearing fifty things at once, yet, if you are willing and obedient, you can go in as far as you wish, without cost, without labor, without taking thought.

After three days Jesus is called to a marriage feast (this is packed with truth that is unending being that the one who opens to you is this this truth (so in it you can see an end, a beginning, and the process that is between two sons) … a woman has had five (senses) husbands, and the one she has now (6th/one who tills the ground/labors to bring forth) is not her own (a question asked of her husband who sits on the well that he is) … God comes to Abraham in the form of three men (two go down to judge, two cities that in Lot produce two sons (Noah was drunk, Lot was drunk, the wine is for those who are faint the wilderness) who hinder the first born in the form of peoples and a land) … Nebuchadnezzar sees himself in a dream from God, and builds an image of himself in the plain (which words root means like a split, that is a wide level valley between mountains) of Dura (a dwelling, ultimately God’s when narrowed down to the one we are) in the land (a mentality, which is also depicted (among other ways) as a field we come out of) of Babylon/confusion (two trees, or fruits of a tree, or two sons, two moutains in a wilderness (and if you chose the good one, you’ve chose a Hagar, which as your soul gives you to eat, and ten by this a son, which is likened to a land that is not your own (as the masculine picture of this.)

Without take no thought this becomes like grabbing a dog by its ears, or a bottomless pit (which is a form of being scattered) a Pentecost after a door is opened/ a woman comes out of the earth (Adam) as opposed to one who cones down from God out of heaven, or out of the side of a 2nd man, but firstly a last Adam), a pattern found in (in a pattern/wheel) the process).

Alithis said:

There are not different special annointings for different things lief that Jesus is truth.

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Adam names everything ...

Farine said:

We need to define terms a second. Not only for us, but for the readers. We have an issue with words that mean VERY different things at this point. Hold on.. We can work on this. At some point, we're going to have to either point to a glossary of terms with definitions OR agree to use the same words with the same understanding of what they mean.

So .. for you self is a good word. I would use what you call self 'SPIRIT'...

Jesus' command to DENY SELF.. is because it is the lower nature. We're going to refer to Jesus' own use of the word 'self' in Matthew 23:25 AMP.
Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the plate, but inside they are full of extortion and robbery and self-indulgence (unrestrained greed).

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The word 'life' in Greek is 'psyche' meaning a human individual, soul, inner self, the soul as a seat of feeling

Luke 9:24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

Here are examples of scriptures with the same word and how it has been translated:

ψυχή (psychē)
Strong: G5590

GK: G6034

breath; the principle of animal life; the life, Mt. 2:20; 6:25; Mk. 3:4; Lk. 21:19; Jn. 10:11; an inanimate being, 1 Cor. 15:45; a human individual, soul, Acts 2:41; 3:23; 7:14; 27:37; Rom. 13:1; 1 Pet. 3:20; the immaterial soul, Mt. 10:28; 1 Pet. 1:9; 2:11, 25; 4:19; the soul as the seat of religious and moral sentiment, Mt. 11:29; Acts 14:2, 22; 15:24; Eph. 6:6; the soul, as a seat of feeling, Mt. 12:18; 26:38; the soul, the inner self, Lk. 12:19

Alithis said:

Once we have have believed the Gospel
Its application to our salvation
Begins with obedience ...repent,be baptised and recieve the Holy Spirit

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Noah's flood speaks to our obedience, baptism and the salvation found in following Christ... the dove he sends out and she returns..." But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot" until we see Jesus in the waters of baptism in the Jordan..."the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Farine said:

1 Thessalonans 5:23
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Farine,

The scripture you have shared, the word used for soul, here, is the Greek word "psyche". It is the same word translated as "life" and as "self" in New Testament scriptures. Soul, life and self are one and the same word (psyche) in the original Greek of scripture.

What is being said that is contrary to the written word of scripture?

EDIT: The scripture you quoted from the Amplified, Matthew 23:25 in the KJV does not contain the word 'self' - 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

PeaceJoyLove said:

Noah's flood speaks to our obedience, baptism and the salvation found in following Christ... the dove he sends out and she returns..." But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot" until we see Jesus in the waters of baptism in the Jordan..."the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

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Ok ..talk about utterly missing the meaning the point and the whole boat.

"So if someone tells you 'I feel so lost. My dog died in my arms today at the vet's office." You're going to tell them .. "For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but because of the One having subjected it, in hope." Then make your good-byes... *click* I mean, in context, do you see what I"m talking about?"

I tell them this truth in as many words, using different words by elaborating this same message in different ways, albeit they be the same to me, but i neither add/subtract from his words ... i try to share hope amongst my brothers ... the hope i see in these words are of great comfort to me ...

Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you believe in Him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.