Trump to Fire Robert Mueller?

camille70 · Jun 12, 2017

JGG said:
And then replace "friends with Trump" with an actual name like "Christopher Ruddy." Pffhh. Clearly that name's made up.

Ruddy is at the beginning making the statement.

Go Braves · Jun 12, 2017

Saucy said:
How do you act innocent to those who hate him? The only thing he's done that might make him look guilty is fire Comey, but it was already confirmed that would do nothing to stop the investigation. It wouldn't even slow it down.

Well if he acted innocent there'd be less folks that hate him, Saucy. I don't hate him. I don't think he's innocent. I am a registered Republican from a state that's gone Republican for generations. Plenty of folks who voted for Trump now suspect he's corrupt. Why? Well he acts corrupt. The man promised to release his tax returns all throughout the campaign. Then he got elected, turned around & said no, he wouldn't release them like promised & nobody cared. Well folks went out and marched, made it 100% clear that plenty do care & he should honor his promise. Still no returns. If he was so innocent & didn't have any shady dealings to hide, he should keep his word. He & his staff couldn't get their stories straight on why Comey was fired. They looked like a clown show. The timing of it looks fishy as all get out. Then there's all the idiotic Tweets.

camille70 · Jun 12, 2017

wing2000 said:
Good. So there should be no reason for Trump to be even consider such a suggestion....agreed?

Personally I think he's just floating the idea to see how much backlash there is first.

Saucy · Jun 12, 2017

DaisyDay said:
By expressing concern that the Russians tried to interfere with the election and demanding that investigators get to the bottom of it.

That, and the constant lies.
No, it sped it up and focused it on him.

No, that's liberal spin. There's been no evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. You don't hire special prosecutors for something there's no evidence for. No one has ever said Trump is under investigation at any time. there is no focus on him.

Schrodinger's Hat · Jun 12, 2017

camille70 said:
Trump is 70 years old. He never actually wanted to win, he just wanted to drum up PR to make money for his business. He has no interest in a political future. His children maybe, but not him. He has less freedom now than before. And his actions have brought scrutiny to all his former business ventures, threatening his fortune. Soon Ivanka is going to be under investigation, if she isn't already due to her business ventures. She and Jared have hired the Clinton's former lawyer.

That's a plausible theory. As I said, I don't really expect Mueller to be fired, but the one reason I think it's possible that it could happen is because Trump cares mostly about how his base views him, and I think his base would mostly continue to support him. It's also true that unless something significant changes before 2020 (which of course is possible for a three year period) he has little to no chance of winning re-election anyway, so maybe it wouldn't make a big difference barring possible legal consequences.

Raphael Jauregui · Jun 12, 2017

Trump is only proving, again and again, that he is willing to obstruct an investigation. He's hurting his own case.

camille70 · Jun 12, 2017

Schrodinger's Hat said:
That's a plausible theory. As I said, I don't really expect Mueller to be fired, but the one reason I think it's possible that it could happen is because Trump cares mostly about how his base views him, and I think his base would mostly continue to support him. It's also true that unless something significant changes before 2020 (which of course is possible for a three year period) he has little to no chance of winning re-election anyway, so maybe it wouldn't make a big difference barring possible legal consequences.

His base isn't going anywhere. Just read the supporters on here, and these are otherwise educated folk. But I don't think he is going to go down for collusion with Russia anyway. Some of his campaign staff might. I think they are going to get him on money laundering and RICO charges related to his business. I read some time back that Mueller has authority to request his taxes and doesn't have to notify Trump first.

HereIStand · Jun 12, 2017

The investigation is over, but most of the media doesn't want it to be. Appearance of scandal feeds their endless hours of airtime.

Raphael Jauregui · Jun 12, 2017

Saucy said:
No, that's liberal spin. There's been no evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians. You don't hire special prosecutors for something there's no evidence for. No one has ever said Trump is under investigation at any time. there is no focus on him.

Was it liberal spin when Pres. Trump fired James Comey and the White House couldn't keep its story straight? Was it liberal spin when Pres. Trump gave an interview saying in his own words that he was firing Comey over the Russia issue???

wing2000 · Jun 12, 2017

HereIStand said:
The investigation is over, but most of the media doesn't want it to be. Appearance of scandal feeds their endless hours of airtime.

You better call up Robert Mueller and the Congressional Committees to let them know the investigation is over.

HereIStand · Jun 12, 2017

wing2000 said:
You better call up Robert Mueller and the Congressional Committees to let them know the investigation is over.

Oh, they'll still show up for meetings, at least as long as the cameras are around. They're not very good actors though.

camille70 · Jun 12, 2017

HereIStand said:
Oh, they'll still show up for meetings, at least as long as the cameras are around. They're not very good actors though.

What meeting has Mueller attended?

Saucy · Jun 12, 2017

Raphael Jauregui said:
Was it liberal spin when Pres. Trump fired James Comey and the White House couldn't keep its story straight? Was it liberal spin when Pres. Trump gave an interview saying in his own words that he was firing Comey over the Russia issue???

That's not evidence Trump colluded with the Russians. If Trump wasn't under investigation, like Comey confirmed three different times, how was firing Comey obstruction of justice? There are multiple reasons why Comey was fired. Many of those reasons are why the democrats wanted him fired up until the moment he was when they then politicized the event to attack Trump even harder.

If Trump was under investigation at ANY point during this time, then yes, you might have a point. But he wasn't.

Raphael Jauregui · Jun 12, 2017

Saucy said:
That's not evidence Trump colluded with the Russians. If Trump wasn't under investigation, like Comey confirmed three different times, how was firing Comey obstruction of justice? There are multiple reasons why Comey was fired. Many of those reasons are why the democrats wanted him fired up until the moment he was when they then politicized the event to attack Trump even harder.

If Trump was under investigation at ANY point during this time, then yes, you might have a point. But he wasn't.

I didn't say it was evidence; I stated facts in the form of questions. Pres. Trump did fire James Comey. The White House did offer contradictory reasons. Pres. Trump did say in the interview that he fired Comey because of Russia issues. That is not liberal spin. Those are facts. Trump may not fire Mueller, and he probably is not going to do that. However, the fact that he considered firing Mueller does not look good. Trump-supporters could try and spin any of these individual actions, but all of these actions add up. It doesn't look good.

Raphael Jauregui · Jun 12, 2017

Saucy said:
That's not evidence Trump colluded with the Russians. If Trump wasn't under investigation, like Comey confirmed three different times, how was firing Comey obstruction of justice? There are multiple reasons why Comey was fired. Many of those reasons are why the democrats wanted him fired up until the moment he was when they then politicized the event to attack Trump even harder.

If Trump was under investigation at ANY point during this time, then yes, you might have a point. But he wasn't.

Also, unethical behaviour is not always illegal. That does not make it right; I hope that Trump-Supporters will be able to show some independence instead of repeating excuses from Trump.

Go Braves · Jun 12, 2017

Schrodinger's Hat said:
That's a plausible theory. As I said, I don't really expect Mueller to be fired, but the one reason I think it's possible that it could happen is because Trump cares mostly about how his base views him, and I think his base would mostly continue to support him. It's also true that unless something significant changes before 2020 (which of course is possible for a three year period) he has little to no chance of winning re-election anyway, so maybe it wouldn't make a big difference barring possible legal consequences.

His base alone wasn't what got him the win. I know plenty of folks who voted Trump for reasons other than Trump. They wanted a Republican to fill the seat on SCOTUS. That seat outlasts Trump. There's been talk of other Republicans running for POTUS in 2020. Trump's definitely hurt the party.

GondwanaLand · Jun 12, 2017

wing2000 said:
....some friends of Trump have been floating the idea of dispatching Mueller and another claims Trump is "considering perhaps terminating" Special Counsel Robert Mueller:

Gingrich, who last month called Mueller a "superb choice" for special counsel, accused Mueller of hiring partisans” to run the investigation.

Several Trump allies blasted Mueller's decision to hire investigators who have given campaign donations to Democrats, including Andrew Weissmann, who’s on detail from his post as head of the Justice Department’s criminal fraud division.

Attorney General Jeff “Sessions never should've recused himself,” conservative activist and Trump supporter Ann Coulter said on Twitter. “Now that we know TRUMP IS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION, Sessions should take it back & fire Mueller.”

Republicans to Trump: Hands off Mueller

A friend of President Donald Trump says that the president is “considering perhaps terminating” Special Counsel Robert Mueller — an action that, if carried out, would mean a crisis over the rule of law in the United States.

The friend — Christopher Ruddy, founder of the conservative website NewsMax — told Judy Woodruff of PBS Newshour that the president is considering firing Mueller, who is overseeing the Russia investigation. “I personally think it would be a very significant mistake,” Ruddy said.

Trump friend: He’s thinking about firing Robert Mueller

PRetty sure someone else did something like this. His name was.... hmmm.... it started with an N...... Neutron? Nesbit? Ninnyhammer? Oh, wait, that's right, his name was Nixon.

Schrodinger's Hat · Jun 12, 2017

Go Braves said:
His base alone wasn't what got him the win. I know plenty of folks who voted Trump for reasons other than Trump. They wanted a Republican to fill the seat on SCOTUS. That seat outlasts Trump. There's been talk of other Republicans running for POTUS in 2020. Trump's definitely hurt the party.

I agree that his base wasn't the only reason he got elected. I was just saying that when he makes political decisions, his base is usually the only voter bloc he's likely to listen to. (Of course, almost all Presidents usually do what their bases support, but Trump has a particularly devoted base and relatively low overall support, so I think it's especially true for him.)

mark kennedy · Jun 12, 2017

wing2000 said:
....some friends of Trump have been floating the idea of dispatching Mueller and another claims Trump is "considering perhaps terminating" Special Counsel Robert Mueller:

Gingrich, who last month called Mueller a "superb choice" for special counsel, accused Mueller of hiring partisans” to run the investigation.

Several Trump allies blasted Mueller's decision to hire investigators who have given campaign donations to Democrats, including Andrew Weissmann, who’s on detail from his post as head of the Justice Department’s criminal fraud division.

Attorney General Jeff “Sessions never should've recused himself,” conservative activist and Trump supporter Ann Coulter said on Twitter. “Now that we know TRUMP IS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION, Sessions should take it back & fire Mueller.”

Republicans to Trump: Hands off Mueller

A friend of President Donald Trump says that the president is “considering perhaps terminating” Special Counsel Robert Mueller — an action that, if carried out, would mean a crisis over the rule of law in the United States.

The friend — Christopher Ruddy, founder of the conservative website NewsMax — told Judy Woodruff of PBS Newshour that the president is considering firing Mueller, who is overseeing the Russia investigation. “I personally think it would be a very significant mistake,” Ruddy said.

Trump friend: He’s thinking about firing Robert Mueller

I can well understand wanting to fire him, I wouldn't want these guys investigating me, unless of course I was innocent:

Mueller Legal Team:

WilmerHale, with significant litigating experience in high stakes cases:
Aaron Zebley, who previously served as Mueller's chief of staff at the FBI;
Jeannie Rhee, a former federal prosecutor and top official at the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel
James Quarles, who worked on the Watergate investigation as a young prosecutor.

Mueller has also reportedly recruited skillful prosecutors from within the highest levels at DOJ

Andrew Weissmann, chief of the Criminal Division's fraud section
Michael Dreeben, deputy solicitor general, who oversees the Justice Department's criminal appellate docket.

"It appears that Bob Mueller is recruiting the smartest and most seasoned professionals who have a long track record of independence and excellence," (Preet Bharara, former US attorney of the Southern District of New York)

(Legal dream team in white shirts and dark suits)

None of this happens if Trump didn't fire Comey and even then if he had just left it alone. The problem here is that we have a President who thinks firing law enforcement and prosecutors is draining the swamp and hiring; foreign agents, wall street lawyers, millionaires and a former CEO is what he needs. Kind of got that one backwards.

Now this special prosecutor can do one of two things, he can vindicate President Trump beyond all reasonable skepticism, or burn his administration to the ground. It all comes down to one thing because right now I don't think they have done anything all that bad, although I wouldn't swear to it.

The best thing or mercurial President can do is quit chasing this thing in circles and get on with the agenda that got him there. I got my fingers crossed, I'm pulling for him, I'll even say a prayer now and again but he has to knock off the theatrics and start the hard work of governing. Personally if I was chief of staff I'd tell him to lay off the twitter account and have some confidence in the process.

One thing is sure, he fires Mueller and that's all she wrote.

wing2000 · Jun 12, 2017

mark kennedy said:
I can well understand wanting to fire him, I wouldn't want these guys investigating me, unless of course I was innocent:

Mueller Legal Team:

WilmerHale, with significant litigating experience in high stakes cases:

Aaron Zebley, who previously served as Mueller's chief of staff at the FBI;

Jeannie Rhee, a former federal prosecutor and top official at the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel

James Quarles, who worked on the Watergate investigation as a young prosecutor.

Mueller has also reportedly recruited skillful prosecutors from within the highest levels at DOJ

Andrew Weissmann, chief of the Criminal Division's fraud section

Michael Dreeben, deputy solicitor general, who oversees the Justice Department's criminal appellate docket.

"It appears that Bob Mueller is recruiting the smartest and most seasoned professionals who have a long track record of independence and excellence," (Preet Bharara, former US attorney of the Southern District of New York)

(Legal dream team in white shirts and dark suits)

None of this happens if Trump didn't fire Comey and even then if he had just left it alone. The problem here is that we have a President who thinks firing law enforcement and prosecutors is draining the swamp and hiring; foreign agents, wall street lawyers, millionaires and a former CEO is what he needs. Kind of got that one backwards.

Now this special prosecutor can do one of two things, he can vindicate President Trump beyond all reasonable skepticism, or burn his administration to the ground. It all comes down to one thing because right now I don't think they have done anything all that bad, although I wouldn't swear to it.

The best thing or mercurial President can do is quit chasing this thing in circles and get on with the agenda that got him there. I got my fingers crossed, I'm pulling for him, I'll even say a prayer now and again but he has to knock off the theatrics and start the hard work of governing. Personally if I was chief of staff I'd tell him to lay off the twitter account and have some confidence in the process.

One thing is sure, he fires Mueller and that's all she wrote.

Trump still thinks he has the best legal team. He better wake up soon....

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