Everybody gets to define sin for themselves.

SkyWriting · Jun 11, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
OP: "Everybody gets to define sin for themselves....Yes, that is what Jesus taught."

Totally FALSE!
God through His "word" the Bible clearly and extensively "defines sin".

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

RaymondG · Jun 11, 2017

redleghunter said:
Yes when we judge others according to our own self righteousness. But applying God's Holy standards is not judging others. It's communicating His Holy standards.

Do you know Gods holy standards? Are your ways Gods ways? Is your mind fully able to understand the things of God?

redleghunter · Jun 11, 2017

SkyWriting said:
True, but sin is entirely subjective. Each PERSON decides if they are sinning against God or not.
Jesus did not say to the prostitute, "Go home and read your bible".
Jesus did not say "Stop being a prostitute."
JDNSay "Stop sleeping around"
JDNS "Be a more moral person"
JDNS "stop being a sinner"
He said Go home and choose not to sin and do what you know is wrong.
Knowing what is wrong is subjective for each person and depends
on local customs, laws, and personal morals. Killing an ant may
be a sin for one person, allowable by another.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Genesis 4:7
If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”

Psalm 51:10
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.

Jesus actually said:

Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

redleghunter · Jun 11, 2017

SkyWriting said:
James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

So we can stop calling other people names now.

Galatians 3:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

redleghunter · Jun 11, 2017

RaymondG said:
Do you know Gods holy standards? Are your ways Gods ways? Is your mind fully able to understand the things of God?

We know what God has revealed.

Soyeong · Jun 11, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Yes, that is what Jesus taught.
I've made the comment that Jesus told the prostitute off.
No, he didn't.
He told her to "Go, and sin no more"

It was up to her to figure out what that meant.
This was moments after telling off a group
who was deciding for themselves what was sin
and which rocks would fix it.

It is amazing how people can turn one verse into a whole theology that goes against everything written in the Bible. There is a theme in the Bible that everything is established by two or three witnesses, so you should seek out other verse that support what you are saying, especially when the authenticity of the passage is in question.

However, John 8:1-12 is example of Jesus following the law rather than making changes to how it is obeyed. There was no judge to pronounce a sentence (Deuteronomy 19:17-21), there was no man accused (Leviticus 20:10), he didn't have any witnesses to examine (Numbers 35:30, Deuteronomy 19:5), and he did not have a confession, so if he had condemned her, then he would have acted in violation of the law. Just a few verses later Jesus said that he judged no one (John 8:15) and he also said that he came not to judge (John 12:47), so he did not exercise authority as a magistrate and did not condemn her, but he did recognize her action as sin, and told her to go and sin no more.

SkyWriting · Jun 11, 2017

Soyeong said:
It is amazing how people can turn one verse into a whole theology that goes against everything written in the Bible. There is a theme in the Bible that everything is established by two or three witnesses, so you should seek out other verse that support what you are saying, especially when the authenticity of the passage is in question.

OK! You got it.

89 Bible Verses about Sin
37 Top Bible Verses About Judging Others Sins

(There is no such "theme" but one verse, which you have blown up in importance)

SkyWriting · Jun 11, 2017

Soyeong said:
so he did not exercise authority as a magistrate and did not condemn her, but he did recognize her action as sin, and told her to go and sin no more.

After telling all her judging accusers to shut-up and illustrating why they were wrong to point out sin.

Blade · Jun 11, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Yes, that is what Jesus taught.
I've made the comment that Jesus told the prostitute off.
No, he didn't.
He told her to "Go, and sin no more"

It was up to her to figure out what that meant.
This was moments after telling off a group
who was deciding for themselves what was sin
and which rocks would fix it.

There is something here we can not see. Well remember when she was taken before Him? He said to them.. you who are with out sin.. cast the 1st stone. Right? And all of them one by one dropped the stones. Now.. go for it.. try that some time haha.. yeah.. it wont work with us. He was fully man yet when He spoke.. His words cut to the heart. So "go and sin no more" means no further.. any longer not any more.. so forth so on.

When this man/GOD spoke.. He always meant what He said. If He told you go and sin no more.. you would know no more. The thing missing for you I think is.. there is no condemnation to us in Christ Jesus. He does not judge us nor condemn us. The woman.. you think He didnt know what she did? Does not say. She was the in sin. She was the one in the wrong. Under the law they had every right to stone her. Jesus didnt look at her.. He went to them. And to this day WE like them way to many times.

Where He.. He just says.. see..you missed the mark. See? Its over there. Picks us up puts us back on the mark. Now.. dont sin any more. If you do.. you get off the mark.. and can get lost. And there are things in that darkness that come to steal kill and destroy. Other things can come upon us. But for her to figure it out.. no.. that is not in the word. Again when He spoke you know just what He meant

Soyeong · Jun 11, 2017

SkyWriting said:
OK! You got it.

89 Bible Verses about Sin
37 Top Bible Verses About Judging Others Sins

(There is no such "theme" but one verse, which you have blown up in importance)

You have made the claim that Jesus taught that everyone gets to define sin for themselves, so I asked you for other verse that support your claim, not to link to a list of verse that talk about sin, none of which support your claim.

SkyWriting said:
After telling all her judging accusers to shut-up and illustrating why they were wrong to point out sin.

He never said that they were wrong to point out sin. Rather, as stated, they were trying to test Jesus so that they could bring a charge against him, so they were trying to trick him into making a judgement where he either spoke against obeying God's Law or where he spoke against obeying Rome, which he avoided doing, yet you nevertheless have twisted his words as speaking against obeying God's Law. He recognized her sin and told her to go and sin no more, so there is nothing that indicates that he was saying that she gets the freedom to redefine it so that it is no longer a sin to commit adultery. Clearly there is some standard that Jesus was referring to that he was telling her to live by. The Bible defines sin as Lawless (1 John 3:4), so sin is clearly defined by God with many commands given throughout the Bible, so you have to turn a blind eye to the rest of the Bible it order to push your misinterpretation of one verse.

RaymondG · Jun 11, 2017

redleghunter said:
We know what God has revealed.

It would be wise to consider that maybe God can reveal something to someone else that he hasnt revealed to you. He sometimes confound the wise and reveal to the babes. But I see nothing wrong with you being content in your current wisdom.

SkyWriting · Jun 11, 2017

Soyeong said:
It is amazing how people can turn one verse into a whole theology that goes against everything written in the Bible. There is a theme in the Bible that everything is established by two or three witnesses, so you should seek out other verse that support what you are saying, especially when the authenticity of the passage is in question.

You failed to provide two or three passages to support your theme idea.....something I've never heard of before.

SkyWriting · Jun 11, 2017

Soyeong said:
You have made the claim that Jesus taught that everyone gets to define sin for themselves, so I asked you for other verse that support your claim, not to link to a list of verse that talk about sin, none of which support your claim.

Jesus taught that everyone gets to define sin for themselves

Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Colossians 3:5 |
Who decides when they have sinned? Only yourself.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means!
Romans 6:15
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?”
Matthew 7:3
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4:8
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Whoever walks in integrity walks securely,
but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.
Proverbs 10:9
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
James 4:8
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
Romans 3:20
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Sin is not ended by multiplying words,
but the prudent hold their tongues.
Proverbs 10:19
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,
but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
Proverbs 28:13
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:14
Who decides when they have sinned. Only yourself.

And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.
Acts 22:16
Who decides when they have sinned?
Only yourself.

christina Pickle · Jun 12, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Yes, that is what Jesus taught.
I've made the comment that Jesus told the prostitute off.
No, he didn't.
He told her to "Go, and sin no more"

It was up to her to figure out what that meant.
This was moments after telling off a group
who was deciding for themselves what was sin
and which rocks would fix it.

I'm pretty sure she knew what he meant, no questions. However, there are some things that we do out of ignorance. ..But the verse that says ..."he that to do good and doeth it not to him it is sin" is talking about sin of omissions. For example, if you know you should go help an old lady with her groceries and you don't do it, then that is sin to you. If you know you should stop and help a homeless guy and don't, then to you that is sin. It is NOT saying if you commit adultery for example and don't know it; that it is not sin..... if that makes any sense.

SkyWriting · Jun 12, 2017

christina Pickle said:
I'm pretty sure she knew what he meant, no questions. However, there are some things that we do out of ignorance. ..But the verse that says ..."he that to do good and doeth it not to him it is sin" is talking about sin of omissions. For example, if you know you should go help an old lady with her groceries and you don't do it, then that is sin to you. If you know you should stop and help a homeless guy and don't, then to you that is sin. It is NOT saying if you commit adultery for example and don't know it; that it is not sin..... if that makes any sense.

Yes, it is not a sin. Death follows knowledge of the law.
Those who do not know the law, do not die in sin.
The only unforgiven sin is knowledgeable, informed rejection of the Holy Spirit.
Children do not die in the sin...lacking knowledge of the law.
The same for "New Christians." The same for the uninformed.
The same for those deceived by other ideology.
The only unforgiven sin is knowledgeable, informed rejection of the Holy Spirit.

SkyWriting · Jun 12, 2017

Petros2015 said:
John 14:15

Who knows which commandments they are keeping.
Only one self.

Hethatreadethit · Jun 13, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Yes, that is what Jesus taught.
I've made the comment that Jesus told the prostitute off.
No, he didn't.
He told her to "Go, and sin no more"

It was up to her to figure out what that meant.
This was moments after telling off a group
who was deciding for themselves what was sin
and which rocks would fix it.

Mercy triumphing over judgment.

Petros2015 · Jun 13, 2017

I think you are vastly underestimating sin here.

You are assuming it has no ability to compromise judgement, engages in no self-justification, promotes no self-righteousness and does not ultimately both bind and blind. You are also saying that there is no ultimate standard, no single Light which we either move toward or away from.

John 3:19-21

I would say that the Holy Spirit provides conviction of what it is and I am accountable to that conviction, and that that conviction is in some ways a progressive revelation but in no way would I say that I get to 'decide what sin is for myself'. That's a good way to learn the hard way that we aren't lights unto ourselves.

I do agree that we aren't to judge others

Matthew 7:1-3

We simply aren't qualified.

christina Pickle · Jun 13, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Yes, it is not a sin. Death follows knowledge of the law.
Those who do not know the law, do not die in sin.
The only unforgiven sin is knowledgeable, informed rejection of the Holy Spirit.
Children do not die in the sin...lacking knowledge of the law.
The same for "New Christians." The same for the uninformed.
The same for those deceived by other ideology.
The only unforgiven sin is knowledgeable, informed rejection of the Holy Spirit.

I think you may have misunderstood me... The Bible tells us what sin is... we can know what it is and do know what it is. God's Word is very clear about sin, and sin does send people to hell. That is the whole reason Christ came to die for the sins of the world, so that we would have the opportunity to accept Christ as our savior. Sin leads to death that is stated over and over again in God's word. If we could have been perfect in the law we would not have needed a perfect sacrifice in the form of a Messiah. People who die without Christ die in their sin. There is no question about that. In fact, I would estimate 1/4 of the Bible teaches all about sin leading to death.

RaymondG · Jun 13, 2017

christina Pickle said:
I think you may have misunderstood me... The Bible tells us what sin is... we can know what it is and do know what it is. God's Word is very clear about sin, and sin does send people to hell. That is the whole reason Christ came to die for the sins of the world, so that we would have the opportunity to accept Christ as our savior. Sin leads to death that is stated over and over again in God's word. If we could have been perfect in the law we would not have needed a perfect sacrifice in the form of a Messiah. People who die without Christ die in their sin. There is no question about that. In fact, I would estimate 1/4 of the Bible teaches all about sin leading to death.

Romans 14:23
"And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

This implies that sin is base on the faith of the person, which would mean that a sin for you, may not be a sin for me.

Everybody gets to define sin for themselves.

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