Why on Earth would Satan want people to go to Hell if he didn't HATE people? Satan is hate, period. He hates things that are good, he hates love, he hates God, he hates forgiveness.
Is there anything that says Satan wants people to go to hell? As far as I know the Bible never mentions anything like that.
I don't guess there is really a point in arguing with you. For some reason, you wish to believe that God is cruel and Satan is just deceptive.
I suppose that was bad wording on my part. I was showing that views on God and Satan changed over time.
What is the end of Satan's deception? Hell. If I tricked you by defrauding you of money- well the end would be a loss of material goods. You'd say, what a deceptive jerk! But the end of Satan's deceptions are Hell- the eternal damnation of immortal souls.
He is not just a nasty, jerk.
Again, where is it at any point in the Bible that Satan wants to deceive people so they go to Hell? I'm not debating Satan's badness, I'm debating on exactly how much of Satan's badness has direct historical and biblical support and how much is just overinflated conjecture.
As far as the serpent not being Satan, the most probable explanation is the Satan inhabited the body of the serpent. Demons are able to inhabit bodies of animals as well as people as evidenced when Jesus cast the demons out of the man and into the swine in Gad.
The Bible clearly teaches that it was Satan that deceived Eve.
If that had been the case, it would have said so. In the case of the man and the swine, it says that the man was possessed by demons and they were cast into the swine. If Satan had possessed the serpent, the narrative would have said so. But by all indication it just says it was a serpent—the text outright just states it was a serpent and was the craftiest of the beasts of the field. And what would be the point of cursing snakes to slither on the ground if that one was Satan?
This is what Jesus says about Satan: John 8:42-44 "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? Even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father, the Devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do."
Now, here is the interesting bit about Satan- "He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there was no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."
Who did Satan murder in the beginning? It was not the fallen angels, they became demons. They did not die. He murdererd Adam and Eve.
A entity who hates people, love, goodness, beauty, forgiveness. Anything good, he hates.
Again, that was in the New Testament, hundreds of years after Genesis, when the view of God and Satan and good and evil changed. Ever heard of the game Telephone? People can get sentences and meaning confused or changed with 10 people in ten minutes. Multiply that with thousands of people over hundreds of years. Genesis itself clearly states the serpent was nothing more than a serpent. As I pointed out, in the Old Testament there were points where God sent evil and lying spirits because He was in charge of both good and evil at the time. By the later parts of the Old and fully in the New, God was seen as being in charge of all-good while Satan was in charge of everything bad.
Again, with your last sentence it's more conjecture than anything. Possibly accurate conjecture, but there's nothing explicitly stating in the Bible that Satan hates people, love, good, beauty, forgiveness, etc. At least, not in a complete and total every-fiver-of-his-being-is-just-that extent.
Do you not know of his utter contempt of mankind? He flat out tells God that Job only serves Him to get a reward. He has no concept of love, it is foreign to him.
I do not mean to be harsh, but it is very strange to read someone attacking the goodness of God and questioning the evil of Satan. It seems topsy turvy to me.
Yes, he flat out does tell God that Job only serves Him to get a reward, but how does that equal "having no concept of love"? Frankly since Job had all that blessing from God, and given the pridefulness of some people, I would think that thought would come up to more than one person and not just Satan. Maybe even some of Job's family members thought that. But then again, we can't know, that would be just conjecture.
As for the latter part, you misunderstand my point, or perhaps I didn't make it clear enough.
By calling Satan a "deceptive jerk", I wasn't meaning to imply that Satan wasn't evil or anything. What I was intending to mean was that Satan's mannerisms as portrayed in the Bible (what little we get) are evil and deceiving, but not "in opposition to absolutely anything relating to people or God or goodness".
Let's look at a different metaphor. Say there are two different universes, both of which involve a meteor hitting Earth of different sizes. The first, Meteor 1, is smaller, while Meteor 2 is larger.
In the first universe, Meteor 1 hits Earth. It causes an impact crater, and many die from the impact, but it doesn't destroy all life, or even most of it. Humanity survives, we go on. There's an impact, but it's not Earth-shattering.
In the second universe, Meteor 2 crashes into Earth with such a force that it ends up shattering the Earth to pieces, instantly killing all life, having some parts of the former Earth crash into the moon causing the moon to either meet a similar fate or become unrecognizable, etc. And all that's left of the Earth is just a bunch of dust and fragments that float around in space forever.
In this scenario, the Earth represents all good things. The Meteor 1 scenario represents closer to what the Bible actually depicts about Satan. The Meteor 2 scenario is similar to what you're saying (hating absolutely everything to do with people/God/all things good) which is more based on conjecture and hearsay.
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