Did Jesus have any brothers and sisters?

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Did Jesus have brothers and sisters ?When we carefully consider the
Biblical record, the question itself seems quite ridiculous, because it is so
clear even from the context of many of the scriptures that He did. The only
major religion that chooses to dispute this is the Roman Catholic religion.
Roman Catholicism dogmatically maintain that following the Lord's birth, Mary
continued in her virginity the rest of her life and never bore any more
children. This in direct contradiction to everything in scripture which shows
that though Joseph and Mary did not come together before Jesus was born, they
did afterward, and the Lord indeed blessed them with Children.

With so much Biblical validation for this, the question is, why would anyone
attempt to dispute it, or even want to? The answer is as simple as the word
'tradition'. It is because these scriptures directly contradict Roman
Catholic tradition which glorifies Mary as a perpetual virgin, Co-Redemptrix,
and Mediatrix. If this church were to confess that the scripture is correct and
Mary had other children, it would destroy their well oiled myths about Mary.
Therefore, a way had to be devised which would justify this teaching. It is hard to imagine the argument against Mary having other children being more thin or groundless. Number one, nowhere does the Word of God say she had no other Children and so it is a doctrine which is not based on solid scripture.

Number two, Roman catholics have made the fundamental error of building a house from the roof down. In other words, they started out with a conclusion, and then set out to find what they call "technicalities" in the Greek to try and give the
appearance their conclusions have support. But any logical Bible scholar knows
that sound Bible hermeneutics doesn't start out with a conclusion and then
search for justification of it, rather, it starts out with the Word, and then
follows it to it's conclusion. Since there is nothing in God's word which says
or even implies that Mary had no other Children, that starting conclusion is
based on man's thoughts, not God's.

What they have done in one instance is taken the Greek word
[adelphos], that is translated brethren, and attempted to make it's
meaning vague and unclear. But while it is true that this word can have a couple
of meanings in different parts of the Bible (Brethren/in Christ,
Brethren/Kin), it cannot be used this way in the pertinent passages we are
dealing with, nor is there is any reasonable justification to claim that this
word in it's context could mean cousins. As for the spurious claim that it means
brethren 'in Christ,' the very context of the passages precludes it. Moreover,
even without the word "brethren" we can see clearly that Mary had other
children. To simply "ignore" these things would be handling the scriptures
tortuously. The best way to find an answer of what is true is to go right to the
Scripture and let it speak for itself. Remember, the scriptures (the Word of
God) are the ultimate Authority. Note carefully that you would have to
"tortuously" wrest the scriptures to even begin to make them imply Mary didn't
have other children. for example...

Let us first sum up what we know from the New Testament of the brothers and sisters of the Lord. They are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19). Of the brothers, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention the sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth. These brothers and sisters are not mentioned at all until after the Lord began His ministry and are first mentioned as going with His mother and Himself to Capernaum (John 2:12). It is in dispute whether any were believers in His Messianic claims, at least until the very end of His ministry (John 7:3-10). Most say that they were made believers through His resurrection, as they appear in company with the Apostles (Acts 1:14).


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Did Jesus have brothers and sisters ?When we carefully consider the
Biblical record, the question itself seems quite ridiculous, because it is so
clear even from the context of many of the scriptures that He did. The only
major religion that chooses to dispute this is the Roman Catholic religion.
Roman Catholicism dogmatically maintain that following the Lord's birth, Mary
continued in her virginity the rest of her life and never bore any more
children. This in direct contradiction to everything in scripture which shows
that though Joseph and Mary did not come together before Jesus was born, they
did afterward, and the Lord indeed blessed them with Children.

With so much Biblical validation for this, the question is, why would anyone
attempt to dispute it, or even want to? The answer is as simple as the word
'tradition'. It is because these scriptures directly contradict Roman
Catholic tradition which glorifies Mary as a perpetual virgin, Co-Redemptrix,
and Mediatrix. If this church were to confess that the scripture is correct and
Mary had other children, it would destroy their well oiled myths about Mary.
Therefore, a way had to be devised which would justify this teaching. It is hard to imagine the argument against Mary having other children being more thin or groundless. Number one, nowhere does the Word of God say she had no other Children and so it is a doctrine which is not based on solid scripture.

Number two, Roman catholics have made the fundamental error of building a house
from the roof down. In other words, they started out with a conclusion, and then
set out to find what they call "technicalities" in the Greek to try and give the
appearance their conclusions have support. But any logical Bible scholar knows
that sound Bible hermeneutics doesn't start out with a conclusion and then
search for justification of it, rather, it starts out with the Word, and then
follows it to it's conclusion. Since there is nothing in God's word which says
or even implies that Mary had no other Children, that starting conclusion is
based on man's thoughts, not God's.

What they have done in one instance is taken the Greek word
[adelphos], that is translated brethren, and attempted to make it's
meaning vague and unclear. But while it is true that this word can have a couple
of meanings in different parts of the Bible (Brethren/in Christ,
Brethren/Kin), it cannot be used this way in the pertinent passages we are
dealing with, nor is there is any reasonable justification to claim that this
word in it's context could mean cousins. As for the spurious claim that it means
brethren 'in Christ,' the very context of the passages precludes it. Moreover,
even without the word "brethren" we can see clearly that Mary had other
children. To simply "ignore" these things would be handling the scriptures
tortuously. The best way to find an answer of what is true is to go right to the
Scripture and let it speak for itself. Remember, the scriptures (the Word of
God) are the ultimate Authority. Note carefully that you would have to
"tortuously" wrest the scriptures to even begin to make them imply Mary didn't
have other children. for example...

Let us first sum up what we know from the New Testament of the brothers and sisters of the Lord. They are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19). Of the brothers, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention the sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth. These brothers and sisters are not mentioned at all until after the Lord began His ministry and are first mentioned as going with His mother and Himself to Capernaum (John 2:12). It is in dispute whether any were believers in His Messianic claims, at least until the very end of His ministry (John 7:3-10). Most say that they were made believers through His resurrection, as they appear in company with the Apostles (Acts 1:14).


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Didn't it say in a few verses that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
 
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To make the argument more persuasive it would do well to not refer to "the Roman Catholic religion" as most agree they are Christian. If we are arguing against that then the discussion is much wider than the brothers of Jesus. Also, it is Tradition, not tradition. The upper case "T" matters in this case. Further, try and keep the Roman Catholic "R" and "C" capital through the writing.

These things might seem trivial, but they really do matter when writing an apologetic argument. :)
 
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John Meier, a Catholic priest and professor of New Testament Studies at the Catholic University of America in Washington D.C. admitted that the evidence points toward Jesus having real biological siblings after his exhaustive study in his A Marginal Jew book series.

Except from another book referencing Meier's conclusions:

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John Meier, a Catholic priest and professor of New Testament Studies at the Catholic University of America in Washington D.C. admitted that the evidence points toward Jesus having real biological siblings after his exhaustive study in his A Marginal Jew book series.

Except from another book referencing Meier's conclusions:




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IMO, I find nothing in the Scriptures alluding to Jesus brothers and sister to be either forced or marginal at all. Do you?


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John7:5
Jesus had brothers and sisters
James (Jesus brother) seemed to be the leader at the Jerusalem church...
Galations 1:19
Matthew 13:55
James seemed to be the leader as he had the final word in the acts 15 discussion... And brought unity between the factions.....
Acts 15:13-22
He also wrote the book of James and tradition said he was martyred right before the fall of Jerusalem. 70ad
 
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Did Jesus have brothers and sisters ?When we carefully consider the
Biblical record, the question itself seems quite ridiculous, because it is so
clear even from the context of many of the scriptures that He did. The only
major religion that chooses to dispute this is the Roman Catholic religion.
Roman Catholicism dogmatically maintain that following the Lord's birth, Mary
continued in her virginity the rest of her life and never bore any more
children. This in direct contradiction to everything in scripture which shows
that though Joseph and Mary did not come together before Jesus was born, they
did afterward, and the Lord indeed blessed them with Children.
If Jesus had other brothers and sisters is a different question than if Mary had other children.
With so much Biblical validation for this, the question is, why would anyone
attempt to dispute it, or even want to? The answer is as simple as the word
'tradition'. It is because these scriptures directly contradict Roman
Catholic tradition which glorifies Mary as a perpetual virgin, Co-Redemptrix,
and Mediatrix. If this church were to confess that the scripture is correct and
Mary had other children, it would destroy their well oiled myths about Mary.
Therefore, a way had to be devised which would justify this teaching. It is hard to imagine the argument against Mary having other children being more thin or groundless. Number one, nowhere does the Word of God say she had no other Children and so it is a doctrine which is not based on solid scripture.
No they don't contradict Scripture. Scripture never says that Mary had other children, and toward the end of John, Jesus bestows Mary's care to John. If there were other siblings, that would have been incomprehensible.
Number two, Roman catholics have made the fundamental error of building a house from the roof down. In other words, they started out with a conclusion, and then set out to find what they call "technicalities" in the Greek to try and give the
appearance their conclusions have support. But any logical Bible scholar knows
that sound Bible hermeneutics doesn't start out with a conclusion and then
search for justification of it, rather, it starts out with the Word, and then
follows it to it's conclusion. Since there is nothing in God's word which says
or even implies that Mary had no other Children, that starting conclusion is
based on man's thoughts, not God's.
It's no technicality. Those who were Jesus' disciples never speak of Jesus brothers and sisters.
What they have done in one instance is taken the Greek word
[adelphos], that is translated brethren, and attempted to make it's
meaning vague and unclear. But while it is true that this word can have a couple
of meanings in different parts of the Bible (Brethren/in Christ,
Brethren/Kin), it cannot be used this way in the pertinent passages we are
dealing with, nor is there is any reasonable justification to claim that this
word in it's context could mean cousins. As for the spurious claim that it means
brethren 'in Christ,' the very context of the passages precludes it. Moreover,
even without the word "brethren" we can see clearly that Mary had other
children. To simply "ignore" these things would be handling the scriptures
tortuously. The best way to find an answer of what is true is to go right to the
Scripture and let it speak for itself. Remember, the scriptures (the Word of
God) are the ultimate Authority. Note carefully that you would have to
"tortuously" wrest the scriptures to even begin to make them imply Mary didn't
have other children. for example...
Prove from Scripture that Mary had other children. Again, to say that Jesus had siblings is different. Also, we believe that Mary was consecrated to God by her parents, and would remain a virgin for life. That's why she said "How can this be since I know not man."
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Let us first sum up what we know from the New Testament of the brothers and sisters of the Lord. They are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19). Of the brothers, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention the sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth. These brothers and sisters are not mentioned at all until after the Lord began His ministry and are first mentioned as going with His mother and Himself to Capernaum (John 2:12). It is in dispute whether any were believers in His Messianic claims, at least until the very end of His ministry (John 7:3-10). Most say that they were made believers through His resurrection, as they appear in company with the Apostles (Acts 1:14).
[/quote]Once again, saying that Mary had other children isn't the same as saying Jesus had brothers and sisters. We believe, from Tradition, that Joseph was previously married and a widower who had children previously.
 
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John Meier, a Catholic priest and professor of New Testament Studies at the Catholic University of America in Washington D.C. admitted that the evidence points toward Jesus having real biological siblings after his exhaustive study in his A Marginal Jew book series.

Except from another book referencing Meier's conclusions:

View attachment 198580
That's his opinion. I don't care that it carries an imprimatur. I doubt that the purveyor of that imprimatur read the entire 4 volume tome, and I've seen lots of imprimaturs on things that are just plain wrong.
 
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If Jesus had other brothers and sisters is a different question than if Mary had other children.
No they don't contradict Scripture. Scripture never says that Mary had other children, and toward the end of John, Jesus bestows Mary's care to John. If there were other siblings, that would have been incomprehensible.It's no technicality. Those who were Jesus' disciples never speak of Jesus brothers and sisters.Prove from Scripture that Mary had other children. Again, to say that Jesus had siblings is different. Also, we believe that Mary was consecrated to God by her parents, and would remain a virgin for life. That's why she said "How can this be since I know not man."
Let us first sum up what we know from the New Testament of the brothers and sisters of the Lord. They are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19). Of the brothers, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention the sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth. These brothers and sisters are not mentioned at all until after the Lord began His ministry and are first mentioned as going with His mother and Himself to Capernaum (John 2:12). It is in dispute whether any were believers in His Messianic claims, at least until the very end of His ministry (John 7:3-10). Most say that they were made believers through His resurrection, as they appear in company with the Apostles (Acts 1:14).
[/quote]Once again, saying that Mary had other children isn't the same as saying Jesus had brothers and sisters. We believe, from Tradition, that Joseph was previously married and a widower who had children previously.[/QUOTE]


The Scriptures documented in the OP clearly reveal Jesus had HALF brothers and sisters.


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John7:5
Jesus had brothers and sisters
James (Jesus brother) seemed to be the leader at the Jerusalem church...
Galations 1:19
Matthew 13:55
James seemed to be the leader as he had the final word in the acts 15 discussion... And brought unity between the factions.....
Acts 15:13-22
He also wrote the book of James and tradition said he was martyred right before the fall of Jerusalem. 70ad
I'd love to know the names, from Scripture, of the brothers and sisters. Any of them.

Also, looking at Acts 15, Peter was the leader. James led the discussion, but Peter ratified the decision.
 
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Let us first sum up what we know from the New Testament of the brothers and sisters of the Lord. They are mentioned in Matthew 12:46-50, 13:55-56; Mark 3:31, 6:3; Luke 8:19; John 2:12, 7:3; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5; and Paul speaks of a James the Lord's brother (Galatians 1:19). Of the brothers, there seem to have been four who are named in Matthew 13:55: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (see Mark 6:3). Matthew and Mark mention the sisters, but neither the number nor the names are given. From the language of the Nazarenes (Matthew 13:56, "His sisters, are they not all with us?"), there must have been at least two, probably more, and apparently married, and resident at Nazareth. These brothers and sisters are not mentioned at all until after the Lord began His ministry and are first mentioned as going with His mother and Himself to Capernaum (John 2:12). It is in dispute whether any were believers in His Messianic claims, at least until the very end of His ministry (John 7:3-10). Most say that they were made believers through His resurrection, as they appear in company with the Apostles (Acts 1:14).
Once again, saying that Mary had other children isn't the same as saying Jesus had brothers and sisters. We believe, from Tradition, that Joseph was previously married and a widower who had children previously.[/QUOTE]


The Scriptures documented in the OP clearly reveal Jesus had HALF brothers and sisters.


Quasar92[/QUOTE]
The only real arguments for Mary having other children are gleaned from the passages that refer to those called the brothers and sister of Jesus. These passages have been easily explained in two ways. First, the brothers are sons of Joseph from a previous marriage. This was a very prevalent tradition in the early Church and still the predominant view in the Eastern Churches. In this case, they would have been Jesus’ half-brothers.
An ancient document entitled the Protoevangelium of James (AD 120-150) tells the story this way, “And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying: ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl. I am afraid lest I become a laughing-stock to the sons of Israel.’ ….And Joseph was afraid, and took her into his keeping. And Joseph said to Mary: ‘Behold, I have received you from the temple of the Lord; and now I leave you in my house, and go away to build my buildings, and I shall come to you. The Lord will protect you’”. This document was much revered in the early Church. Secondly, the passages referring to brothers of the Lord can be explained by understanding the word brother to refer to cousins or close relatives. In Hebrew and Aramaic there is no word for cousin. Those in such a close familial bond were all brothers, or brethren. Anyone familiar with life in the Middle East knows how this close familial bond of extended family members shapes the community even today. The word brother can have four meanings in Scripture: 1) siblings from the same parent or parents; 2) close relatives or kin; 3) in a Jewish context, any other fellow Jew; and 4) one who has a spiritual affiliation, such as a “brother in Christ”. The Church has always maintained that the “brothers of the Lord” were either sons of Joseph by a previous marriage (#1) or close relatives such as cousins (#2). Either one fully satisfies any objections. From the days of Abraham when he called his nephew Lot his brother (Gen 13:8), to the extended families in Middle Eastern countries today, the word brother can and does means a lot more than in our Western culture with its fragmented families. The Greek word for brother can be understood here to refer to half-brothers, in the case Joseph might have had children from a previous marriage, or cousins in the sense of kindred or brethren (see Option #1 above). Never in the Gospels is Mary referred to as the mother of these “brethren” nor are they ever said to be sons of Mary. The same can be said of Joseph. The Catechism (para. 500) explains who these “brothers” are. Against this doctrine [ever-virginity of Mary] the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus. The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, “brothers of Jesus”, are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls “the other Mary”. They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression. While on the cross Jesus gives Mary into the care of John because Mary had no other sons to take up the authority of the “first born.” In the absence of the father, the first born was head of the family. At the death of Jesus, had Mary had another son, he would have had the responsibility to care for his mother. But Mary, having no other sons was given by Jesus into the care of the Beloved Apostle John with these words: “Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home” (John 19:27, RSVCE). From its earliest days, the Church has held fast to the perpetual virginity of Mary.
St. Jerome’s famous Treatise Against Helvedius hits this issue with Scripture, facts and sarcasm. He is shocked that anyone would be so impious as to suggest Mary had children subsequent to Jesus. He cites early writers like Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus to support his claim that the perpetual virginity of Mary had always been maintained by the Church from its earliest days. Origen (AD c. 185-c. 254), whom some regard as the greatest biblical scholar of the third century wrote, “There is no child of Mary except Jesus according to the opinion of those who think correctly about her” (Commentary on John, 1:4). His phrase “think correctly” could certainly refer to established tradition and doctrine even in his early time. Origen believed that Joseph was a widower who had children from a previous marriage. Following Ignatius of Antioch (AD c. 35- c. 107), Origen concluded that Mary was married in order to keep her virginity a private matter. He said, “Mary’s virginity was hidden from the prince of this world, hidden and her marriage to him. Her virginity was kept hidden because she was thought to be married” (Homily on Luke 6:4-4). He strongly espoused Mary as ever virgin and following him the Church was ever vigilant to defend this doctrine. It wasn’t until after the Protestant Reformation that the doctrine of Mary’s ever-virginity was questioned. Interestingly enough, and a surprise to many Protestants is the fact that many of the notable reformers affirmed the doctrine, men such as Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, and John Wesley.

James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ “brothers” (Mk 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary – Just not Mary, the mother of Jesus.

After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:

“There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Mag’dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb’edee.” (Mt 27:56; see also Mk 15:40).
 
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I think the main difference in protestant and catholic is that protestants tend to disagree and disavow their forefathers teqchings if they had false teachings.......

Although it is good to respect authority in the church catholics have a difficult time disagreeing with tradition or the Pope......
 
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I think the main difference in protestant and catholic is that protestants tend to disagree and disavow their forefathers teqchings if they had false teachings.......

Although it is good to respect authority in the church catholics have a difficult time disagreeing with tradition or the Pope......
Especially when there's nothing to disagree with. I'm a convert, and wouldn't have come to the Church if I didn't see the truth in the Church.
 
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That's his opinion. I don't care that it carries an imprimatur. I doubt that the purveyor of that imprimatur read the entire 4 volume tome, and I've seen lots of imprimaturs on things that are just plain wrong.

I'm just noting that even well-respected and learned Catholic scholars have come to the conclusion that the evidence points to Jesus having biological siblings. This is important because they don't carry the same theological bias as non-Catholics. This whole debate is actually protecting the unprovable doctrine of Mary's perpetual virginity.
 
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The Scriptures documented in the OP clearly reveal Jesus had HALF brothers and sisters.

So you believe that Jesus is not Joseph's firstborn child? You do understand the implications of this, right? This means Jesus was NOT the legal heir to David’s throne, which went by law to the firstborn.
 
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I'd love to know the names, from Scripture, of the brothers and sisters. Any of them.

Also, looking at Acts 15, Peter was the leader. James led the discussion, but Peter ratified the decision.
James stayed in Jerusalem all throughout the NT and did not tavel as far qs we know.....

Peter traveled to antioch, corinth eastern turkey, and iraq
As God called him to the gentiles in a visiona and ministry to cornelieas.....also to jews scatterd

1 corinthians 1:12.....corinth
Galatns 2:11....antioch
1 peter 1:1...eastern turkey
Peter 5:13..... Irag or babylon
 
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In Hebrew and Aramaic there is no word for cousin.

This is a common, but very misleading claim about Aramaic.

It is correct that there is no single 1:1 word for "cousin" but there are a number of circumlocutions that are explicit about that kind of relationship that were used in everyday speech, and would have been expected in places where we find Jesus' siblings (in the direct context of immediate family) if they were not actual brothers and sisters.

In essence, this claim is like saying that there is no word for "shallow" (as in "that person is shallow") in French. Where this is technically correct – that there is no 1:1 word for it – the two-word circumlocution "peu profond" is used in every place "shallow" would be in English.

As such, I enlist anyone reading this to help put a stop to this persistent fib.
 
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