What I wish President Trump would do

LivingWordUnity said:

Do you think the Pro-Abortion side would ever be willing to give up the fight on Roe vs Wade?

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I don't know what Charlie would say, but as for me, I honestly don't know, but if they were to give up support for Roe vs Wade, I think it would take something very different than a ban on capital punishment. It would take a comprehensive social safety net to include access to affordable health care, child care and quality public education, good access to sex ed and contraception, promotion and acceptance of adoption as an alternative, things like that. Maybe technology like artificial wombs will help, and certainly we'd need a society willing to step up and provide for the new children born. We'd also have to address the issue of the 400,000 frozen human embryos.

LivingWordUnity said:

Do you think the Pro-Abortion side would ever be willing to give up the fight on Roe vs Wade?

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Do you think the anti-abortion side will ever give up the fight on Roe Vs Wade ?

Let me turn this around a little:

What if Trump said:

If you guys give up abortion I'll put the social safety net back in place, ensure single payer healthcare for every American, stop the attack on the public school system and start funding it properly, extend the FICA tax to include investment income and remove the cap and start card check for union voting and support college education at 80% of cost like it was before Reagan instead of the 20% it is now.

And I'll increase the taxes necessary to make all this possible.

Do you think the anti-abortion side would take THAT deal ?

LivingWordUnity said:

They already had Obamacare, and it didn't change their position on abortion at all.

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Obama care was a small step, but still far from universal health care.

LivingWordUnity said:

Do you think the Pro-Abortion side would ever be willing to give up the fight on Roe vs Wade?

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I do know the pro life side, the leadership anyway, will never allow roe v wade to be overturned.

Keeping the "fight" alive is too big a cash cow for their campaign coffers.

parousia70 said:

I do know the pro life side, the leadership anyway, will never allow roe v wade to be overturned.

Keeping the "fight" alive is too big a cash cow for their campaign coffers.

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Dead wrong.

AvilaSurfer said:

Dead wrong.

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If that were true roe would have been overturned long ago.

LivingWordUnity said:

It would have been overturned a long time ago if Democrats didn't fight tooth and nail against the Pro-Life side's efforts. But there is renewed hope for overturning it now that we have a Pro-Life president.

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George W Bush was a very pro life president, who at one point had his party in control of both the House and Senate.

Mountain_Girl406 said:

George W Bush was a very pro life president, who at one point had his party in control of both the House and Senate.

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Indeed.
I suppose any republican who puts party above country would blame democrats for their own party's inaction on though.

LivingWordUnity said:

Donald Trump was unlike the typical partisan candidate since even the GOP establishment was fighting against him at times. He was an outsider, almost like a third party candidate. And he got the votes of a lot of the same ones who voted for Obama in 2012.

"When have we ever seen a single individual who has so defied expectations, broken the rules, violated norms, beaten not one but two political parties on the way to winning an election that he entered with 100 to 1 odds against him? I don't think that we have ever seen one person operating in such an unconvential way have an impact on the events of the year." - Nancy Gibbs, TIME magazine

And Trump's promise to help the Pro-Life effort, his bold Pro-Life stance, is one of the reasons why I voted for him. Here's what Kellyanne Conway said about it during the campaign (at 4:52):

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What does any of that have to do with the demonstrable history of republican inaction on abortion and your unfounded blame of democrats for it?

LivingWordUnity said:

The history of "inaction" as you call it is because the Pro-Life measures put forward by Republicans were always fought against tooth and nail by the Democrats. And 8 years of Obama and his liberal judge picks made the situation worse. But now the tide is turning since we now have a Pro-Life president.

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You are acting like this is the fist pro life president we've ever head?
As was brought up earlier, GWB was a very strong pro life president, who had control of both houses of congress for a time and did....nothing to end legal abortion.

Democrats "fighting tooth and nail" were powerless to stop Him and the republican controlled congress under him, yet they did...nothing.

GWB could have ended legal abortion with the stroke of his pen in one day.

So could Mr Trump...

They don't want to give up "fighting" for it, and a win means the fight is over, and the cash that fight brings in dries up.

Its a math problem, and republicans don't like how the math lines up once abortion is actually outlawed, and they don't like the fact that they could lose the issue as a distraction....

“My local mayor who is crooked and robbed the town blind is running for re-election…well…what’s his position on abortion? He’s against it? Well he’s got my vote!”

The ONLY reason Abortion hasn't been overturned already because Republicans don’t really want it overturned.

If they did overturn it, people might wake up. They might suddenly get new issues that aren’t four decades in the making. They might suddenly pay attention to outsourced jobs, rising income inequality, tax cuts for the same wealthy that robbed their 401K and foreclosed on their house.

Republicans don’t want to end abortion because it would essentially be ending their largest voting and donating block, the anti-abortion voters.

LivingWordUnity said:

I didn't say that he is the first. Bush was Pro-Life, too. And so was Reagan.

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Proving my point.

LivingWordUnity said:

I don't see how.

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They didn't lift a finger to end abortion.

parousia70 said:

You are acting like this is the fist pro life president we've ever head?
As was brought up earlier, GWB was a very strong pro life president, who had control of both houses of congress for a time and did....nothing to end legal abortion.

Democrats "fighting tooth and nail" were powerless to stop Him and the republican controlled congress under him, yet they did...nothing.

GWB could have ended legal abortion with the stroke of his pen in one day.

So could Mr Trump...

They don't want to give up "fighting" for it, and a win means the fight is over, and the cash that fight brings in dries up.

Its a math problem, and republicans don't like how the math lines up once abortion is actually outlawed, and they don't like the fact that they could lose the issue as a distraction....

“My local mayor who is crooked and robbed the town blind is running for re-election…well…what’s his position on abortion? He’s against it? Well he’s got my vote!”

The ONLY reason Abortion hasn't been overturned already because Republicans don’t really want it overturned.

If they did overturn it, people might wake up. They might suddenly get new issues that aren’t four decades in the making. They might suddenly pay attention to outsourced jobs, rising income inequality, tax cuts for the same wealthy that robbed their 401K and foreclosed on their house.

Republicans don’t want to end abortion because it would essentially be ending their largest voting and donating block, the anti-abortion voters.

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Good point, they also just can't overturn abortion at this point. The other point I haven't seen brought up in this thread is that you can't just overturn a Supreme Court ruling. There are only two ways overturn Supreme Court ruling. First, a constitutional amendment which requires the proposal to be passed by a 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate or a constitutional convention called by 2/3 of the states (never happened), then it must be passed 3/4 of the states' legislatures. Secondly, another Supreme Court ruling, which would require another Supreme Court case (the court just can't vote again on a previous decision). Congress can, and has, passed that laws that amend the rulings of the Supreme Court in order to expand on them, but they cannot just pass an Act that goes against a Supreme Court ruling. Also, there have already been conservative majority courts alongside a GOP White House and GOP majority Congress as well as other Supreme Court cases, with a majority pro-life court over the issue of abortion, and Roe v Wade has still been upheld.
If Roe v Wade is overturned, it will not outlaw abortion in the United States, it will just return to being a state issue, and so likely legal in some states and illegal in other states.

LivingWordUnity said:

You are splitting hairs.

The bottom line is the president can stop someone from being executed.

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The President cannot just overturn Supreme Court rulings. There are only two ways overturn Supreme Court ruling. First, a constitutional amendment which requires the proposal to be passed by a 2/3 majority in both the House and Senate or a constitutional convention called by 2/3 of the states (never happened), then it must be passed 3/4 of the states' legislatures. Secondly, another Supreme Court ruling, which would require another Supreme Court case (the court just can't vote again on a previous decision). Congress can, and has, passed that laws that amend the rulings of the Supreme Court in order to expand on them, but they cannot just pass an Act that goes against a Supreme Court ruling. Also, there have already been conservative majority courts alongside a GOP White House and GOP majority Congress as well as other Supreme Court cases, and Roe v Wade has still been upheld.
If Roe v Wade is overturned, it will not outlaw abortion in the United States, it will just return to being a state issue, and so likely legal in some states and illegal in other states.