Jesus was not a Conservative

The Brown Brink · Apr 19, 2017

GoldenBoy89 said:
We can't even apply the terms liberal and conservative to the Founding Fathers.... much less to a man from 20 centuries ago, in a different part of the world, under a totally different form of government and part of an entirely different kind of society with the extremely limited information we have on his life.

It's like asking what's Jesus' favorite Beatle. I say it's Paul.

Yes, we can apply these words to the past.

The Brown Brink · Apr 19, 2017

The Times said:
For the love of Christ, knowledge and wisdom are compatible with love. To bring awareness of imminent danger that our society is heading towards is good oral tradition that has saved the day, when the world historically has come to the brink of destruction many times.

I have witnessed to you by the same Spirit and so have many peoples of God, including the prophets of old. Please go and read Jeremiah and understand why God wanted Jeremiah to warn the ancient Israelites.

1“At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.” (Daniel 12:1-4)

It is imperative that we discern THE TIMES that we live in and to not be complacent about our context of situation. We are at war, that is spiritual war. Many Christians have lost their lives and continue to do so for the Lord and we are not in time of peace to be thinking about peace, for we are at war. There is an onslaught of the Christian by the enemies of the cross and the worst that you can do is to walk right into the trappings of the enemy, who says come let's make peace and safety, yet behind the scenes this same enemy is waging unrelenting war against Christians.

You are mistaken by saying that we should NOT sound the alarm, because it is required of our Christian faith to do so.....

15Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

17Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? (Joel 2:1-17)

The great danger for Christians to not sound the alarm, even though it is doom and gloom, is to be responsible for the blood of the innocent, those same children that you mentioned that are Christ's.

Listen and please understand that history is as a record to the doom and gloom and the many warnings issued by the generations of their time, that saved many from the strategical attacks of the devil. You may not want to accept a history lesson, but history repeats itself, you can do nothing to change what has proven to repeat through the entire human history and in this matter no one, no government and no pope and no patriarch can change it. Snap out of the delusion, in thinking that your actions will prevent doom and gloom from playing out.

3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

What you, I and other Christians can do is to sound the alarm, because we cannot prevent what is coming. You can either join the world or join Jesus Christ, for you cannot have one foot in the world and the other foot in Christianity.

We are living in a time where an Autonmous law society has emerged and has completely broken away as a form of rebellion. Look at how people are rebelling against governments. You know that the man/anthropos/people of sin/rebellion have been revealed in our time and in numbers and it is a global event.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Been there.
Done that.

We've been waging these same wars of ours over and over and over and over.
We've been warring for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
Where has it gotten us?

Aren't you tired of war?
Don't you think maybe THAT's what Jesus was talking about?
Maybe we're supposed to love our neighbor instead of waging war?
Maybe we're supposed to talk things out, cooperate, use reason and logic, instead of waging war...

Maybe we could love our neighbor instead and be so sweet and good, like Jesus is, that people would say, Wow! That Jesus must be great!

We could all be fishers of men.

The Times · Apr 19, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Been there.
Done that.

We've been waging these same wars of ours over and over and over and over.
We've been warring for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
Where has it gotten us?

Aren't you tired of war?
Don't you think maybe THAT's what Jesus was talking about?
Maybe we're supposed to love our neighbor instead of waging war?
Maybe we're supposed to talk things out, cooperate, use reason and logic, instead of waging war...

Maybe we could love our neighbor instead and be so sweet and good, like Jesus is, that people would say, Wow! That Jesus must be great!

We could all be fishers of men.

Read Ephesians and understand that we are not hear to make peace with the world. We are here as sheep amongst wolves and our mission is to preach the gospel to the entire world, under a real and present danger coming from the wicked one and those who he has conscripted to undermine the gospel of Jesus Christ.

You said, you have been there and done that...which implies that you have now surrendered the spiritual fight under overwhelming pressure, which is the spiritual fight that we are conscripted to fight against the wales of th devil. Your attitude is now, if we can't defeat them, or we loose interest, or we have no energy to do so, then we join them right?

My reply is....never!

Jesus didn't say that you shall have peace in this life, he taught that he has placed us as sheep in the midst of wolves and that they will do to us far worse than they did to him. This is the central message from our Lord to a witness living in this earthly realm.

Our war is not a physical war, our fight is spiritual, in that we are freeing the world from the devil who has cast a shadow upon it, especially in these times we are living in. When you look at the physical wars, these are just manifestation of the wicked one, who has now steped up his onslaught of the Christains, so that he prevents the truth of Christ from getting out into the hearts and minds of people. These physical threats come because the tide is turning against the devil and so he draws his principalities in high places to take the world to war.

We are not supposed to talk things out by using our subjective moral reasoning, we are supposed to lay down the truth of Christ at the risk of our lives, even if the world in this day and age hates the message, but none the less we must march forward and onward in the face of insurmountable odds.

Our mission is not to be nice to the world, have a coup of tea or to marry the world. We are not to lay down our spiritual weapons mentioned in Ephesians. We are to put on the whole armour of God and to march onward and forward with the truth of Christ with the gospel in hand as missionaries.

Jesus is great regardless of what the people of the world think of him. We are bringing the world as captives before the feet of Christ, as the many prisoners of Christ. We are not here to bring the world to Christ on their own terms through a socially pleasing gospel, we are bringing the world to Christ as prisoners of Christ.

The Father said to the Son, sit on my right side UNTIL I make your enemies your footstool. The word is make, meaning on God's terms and not man's.

To think that you can be friends with the world is foolishness. Those who know not Christ are considered by God the Father as the many enemies of Christ.

SolomonVII · Apr 19, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
Not so.
Liberalism embraces hope for a better tomorrow.
It anticipates consequences.
It prepares.
It prevents.
It tries to benefit everyone by benefiting the society they live in.

And how do I know what you care about?
By what you SAY.

You don't know what I say.
You would have to listen to what I said to even know.
When it comes to MMGW, the left embraces hysteria.
Doom Doom Doom.

The Brown Brink · Apr 20, 2017

SolomonVII said:
You don't know what I say.
You would have to listen to what I said to even know.
When it comes to MMGW, the left embraces hysteria.
Doom Doom Doom.

And you didn't just say THAT?
Do you even listen to yourself?
Do you even HAVE a heart?

Do you just not CARE?
Are you so worried about yourself that you just don't care about anyone else?

Is that it?

The Brown Brink · Apr 20, 2017

What's going wrong in your life that makes you so mean?

JGG · Apr 20, 2017

Goonie said:
Have we worked out Jesus's political leaning yet? Was it the People's front of Judea, or the Judean people's front?

Jesus is a Conservative. I think they're just trying to decide if he's a CINO or a RINO.

JGG · Apr 20, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
What's going wrong in your life that makes you so mean?

He doesn't like Lefties. Lefties play identity politics.

SolomonVII · Apr 20, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
And you didn't just say THAT?

No.

Do you even listen to yourself?

Yes.

Do you even HAVE a heart?

Of course. Pulse rate is a good indication.

Do you just not CARE?

I am a very caring person

Are you so worried about yourself that you just don't care about anyone else?

Not at all.
Are you still beating your significant other senseless?

Is that it?

What it is is that the left, and not the right, is sounding off the message of Doom Doom Doom.
That is all it is. That is all it has ever been in this particular strand of this thread.

SolomonVII · Apr 20, 2017

JGG said:
He doesn't like Lefties. Lefties play identity politics.

I am a critic of leftist policy, and identity politics, which is racism.

JGG · Apr 20, 2017

SolomonVII said:
I am a critic of leftist policy, and identity politics, which is racism.

Identity politics is a phrase you should look up.

Most of us try to be critics of left and right politics.

SolomonVII · Apr 20, 2017

JGG said:
Identity politics is a phrase you should look up.

Most of us try to be critics of left and right politics.

Politics is a term you should try to look up.

SolomonVII · Apr 20, 2017

Apocalyptic Progressivism

Interesting read on the progressive apolcalypse.
Doom doom doom.
It is a political advantage.

GoldenBoy89 · Apr 20, 2017

SolomonVII said:
Apocalyptic Progressivism

Interesting read on the progressive apolcalypse.
Doom doom doom.
It is a political advantage.

Yeah, nothing apocalyptic with the people who think gay marriage is destroying the country.

SolomonVII · Apr 20, 2017

GoldenBoy89 said:
Yeah, nothing apocalyptic with the people who think gay marriage is destroying the country.

Whether there is or isn't, it has nothing to do with the link, and less to do with anything that I think.
but thanks for the random sarcastic fact though.

miknik5 · Apr 22, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Been there.
Done that.

We've been waging these same wars of ours over and over and over and over.
We've been warring for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
Where has it gotten us?

Aren't you tired of war?
Don't you think maybe THAT's what Jesus was talking about?
Maybe we're supposed to love our neighbor instead of waging war?
Maybe we're supposed to talk things out, cooperate, use reason and logic, instead of waging war...

Maybe we could love our neighbor instead and be so sweet and good, like Jesus is, that people would say, Wow! That Jesus must be great!

We could all be fishers of men.

Christians warning those in error who do not know GOD because of their love for their neighbors soul and desiring their salvation is not (and should not be seen as) waging war

The Brown Brink · Apr 22, 2017

miknik5 said:
Christians warning those in error who do not know GOD because of their love for their neighbors soul and desiring their salvation is not (and should not be seen as) waging war

Yes, I agree.
Using your voice is not waging war.
It's just using your voice.

miknik5 · Apr 23, 2017

The Brown Brink said:
Yes, I agree.
Using your voice is not waging war.
It's just using your voice.

Oh that's good to know
I'm glad you agree that one can use their voice and not expect to have their voice silenced for using their voice

Even when they do not agree with the other person who is also using their voice

buzuxi · May 28, 2017

Lol, this thread is too funny. Even the concept of " just war", genocide, axis of evil, are modern terms unknown just a few hundred years ago. If you were on the victorious side in war, God was on your side if you lost you were being punished for the tribes transgressions.

The only semblance of guilt for genocide recorded in antiquity is the story of the Trojan horse. It was more the underhanded trickery where you duped your enemy into believing you sought a truce in good will, so the gods punished Odysseus who was the hero of the war..

Jesus could be viewed as liberal for his time but also conservative, in fact you can place both these modern labels on him even though he broke with his ancestors honored traditions on both sides. Jesus was hardly a liberal when it came to the issue of marriage and remarriage. Today that would be called a conservative position. Likewise he could be labeled a rebel liberal as he departed from the time honored traditions of his culture; healing on the sabbath, and not fasting during the appropriate times, etc.

Ron Gurley · May 29, 2017

Jesus the Christ was A-political. Render unto Caesar. He changed the "world" (kosmos") by changing SPIRITS. John 3.

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